HTC: Apple's iPhone is not that cool anymore, everyone's doing their own thing too
“Apple is innovating. Samsung is innovating. We are innovating. Everybody is innovating. And everybody is doing different things for the end consumers. I brought my daughter back to college — she’s down in Portland at Reed — and I talked to a few of the kids on her floor. And none of them has an iPhone because they told me: ‘My dad has an iPhone.’ There’s an interesting thing that’s going on in the market. The iPhone becomes a little less cool than it was. They were carrying HTCs. They were carrying Samsungs. They were even carrying some Chinese manufacture’s devices. If you look at a college campus, Mac Book Airs are cool. iPhones are not that cool anymore. We here are using iPhones, but our kids don’t find them that cool anymore.”
Later on, he did answer some follow-up questions, which clarified further the splash he made with the "iPhone is not cool anymore" statement at Bloomberg's conference:
"I’ve heard the term iPhone killer a lot of times, outside of my company and inside my company. Whenever I hear it in meeting rooms inside HTC, I caution people and say: ‘Hey, look, there is a market there for the iPhone.’ I don’t think we want to kill the iPhone because it is geared to a certain amount of people who like things in a certain way, and we do something different.”
If you want to do the same thing as iPhone in exactly the same way, why don’t you send your people to the Apple store and have them buy an iPhone? We want to do something different. We want to appeal to different end users who have different values. And, if you look at the segmentation and the demographics of what we are doing, we are selling phones to different people. So, I don’t like the term iPhone killer. I think we do something different.”
He also talked about other important things that are facing the smartphone industry right now - how patent wars are sucking the lifeblood out of companies that should spend this time better on innovating, for instance.
HTC's take on Windows Phone, according to Martin Fichter, is that it is a great platform, with amazing social networking integration, but currently hurdled by no 4G offerings.
On the issues of the cloud and music in the cloud, he mentioned that if customers embrace having all their songs and other data stored somewhere else, the networks are going to have a real problem on their hands.
7. alpinejason posted on 13 Sep 2011, 04:08 1
nokia yes is in my opinion the best handset maker by a long shot.been using nokia phones since 1996 and have never had any problems with any of them.i even had a few analog phones and the first couple of phones i had then did not even have caller id they had a little display that showed what number you were dialing as you were dialing it.i really love nokia not so much the software they use but hopefully windows is gooing to change that!!!
17. Phullofphil posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:27 0
meant to give you a thums up sory. noikia as good there just not the popular phone in the us just like sone they are also a good phone just not herre
4. msia (unregistered) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 03:24 2
nokia wp7 will be the coolest device in the world SOON like what Apple Iphone used to be...
14. rex1213 posted on 13 Sep 2011, 05:54 1
I honestly think Nokia N9 is Nokia's hippest phone since the release of the original iPhone.
Why am I thinking this way? It is because Nokia N9 (and MeeGo) is unique (swipe-centric UI, curved full touchscreen with no hardware keys). The best thing about it is that, it does not pretend to be an iPhone-wannabe. It is something that is distinctly Nokia.
However, that lunatic manager from Microsoft that is now Nokia's CEO (Stephen Elop) bad-mouthed MeeGo as much as it can to reduce people's excitement for the N9.
5. ilia1986 posted on 13 Sep 2011, 04:04 7
"We want to appeal to different end users who have different values"
6. WakaFlakaD posted on 13 Sep 2011, 04:06 3
I never look at certain brands of phone as COOL.... I look at them rather they are superior on spec or what.
64. E.N. posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:02 0
Yeah I feel the same. I don't choose a device based on its "cool factor." But regardless I'm glad Fichter said this because now we can rule out the argument that iPhone is for trendy consumers and Android is for Geeks. It evens sounds like he's saying that Android is more trendy than iPhone. I'm okay with that! lol
8. Sniggly posted on 13 Sep 2011, 04:09 4
There wouldn't be a stampede if people would read the article. Marlin made it very clear that he's not crapping on the iPhone. He's simply remarking on the experiences he's had with the demographics carrying it. He's also quite clearly saying that his company doesn't NEED to destroy iPhone sales. Extrapolated out, he is saying that there's market share for everyone out there.
Now for my contribution to the stampede: Leave it to HTC's heads to bring up a concept that Apple will never grasp-the idea that other companies are allowed to be successful too.
23. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:40 4
apple invented that thought, and is now going to sue HTC for thinking it!
24. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 08:44 2
apple invented that thought, and is now going to sue HTC for thinking it!
32. darth8ball posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:09 1
my extrapolation of that statement is that Apple is going to lose the "cool phone" share of the market on their own without anyone having to "kill" them. That in his opinion, you can either be in the "cool" market or the "businessman" market. Apple seems to think they can tackle both, we will find out in time who was right.
67. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:12 0
no real businessman takes apple seriously as a business phone. They have the least functional "business" uses of any OS. There is a reason that RIM has such a huge lock down on businesses... regardless of being "cool" or not. There are some android versions that do decent in business (the most functional for business is actually MotoBlur by far) but they are at least more functional than an iphone.
9. SGSatlantis posted on 13 Sep 2011, 04:27 3
Well Jeremy Clarkson use iPhone and that makes it "Seriously Uncool".
10. Mr.Mr.Upgrade posted on 13 Sep 2011, 04:30 3
IPhone stays in the box, no creativity, people who like everything the same and someone to control things for them, because they can't make their own decisions,
12. lubba posted on 13 Sep 2011, 05:13 2
Put a sock in your bada peter. Haven't seen one yet in the US. Maybe its popular in the market where you're at but thats because wp7 haven't made it there yet or haven't been established. And your pet michael heller ain't gonna save you from its growing popularity. Wp7 is here to stay. Guess what, they said xbox360 isn't gonna make it. NDP proved them wrong last week. Best seller 14 out of 15 months!
13. lws803 (unregistered) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 05:24 4
Hahas one thing HTC sure pleases me. Their feedback support and the way the made their UI easy to use. It's as if we can just pick up the phone and start using it without Syu need for a third party app. It's definitely good out of the box and better once the developers touch it. So far after trying out many handsets, I must say HTC's handsets has the most devs support, this means HTC users can enjoy a lifetime of new development and ROM. Being as a developer myself, what's most important is this huge amount of devs support and friendly community to kill any visible bugs
15. me. posted on 13 Sep 2011, 05:59 3
It's the iOS and the hardware what's cool , they just work.
34. darth8ball posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:13 0
How does it look when a 45 yr old dresses like a 20 yr old, sad. That is the point here we are not talking about the OS or the hardware. It is the "must have factor" who is young and cool and also wants to have the same device as their father.
68. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:13 0
if your talking about a phone? no. if your talking about your dad's cherry 64.5 mustang, then yea, ill take what dad is having. :)
16. jroc74 posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:26 2
Its kinda like cool sayings, slang.
No one really wants to use the word 'bling' anymore....cuz now you have folks that normally wouldnt use the word using it.
But...outselling every older version of the iPhone says otherwise. It can only outsale older versions if new ppl are getting it, right?
I applaud him for not worrying about having an iPhone killer. Really....thats more of a media thing. No company really expects to kill it. Whats funny...I dont really hear the term "killer" in other markets; games consoles, shoes, cars, hdtv's, etc.
Why is it only applied to the iPhone? Well...now its applied to Android which is funny..lol. The iPhone 5 has been reported to be the ...Android killer....I think its safe to say if anything gets labeled an Android killer....Android has finally arrived...
18. Mooooo posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:49 4
For apple it can only be an Apple world.
I am convinced they are putting something inside there devices to sending subliminal messages.
19. dblue45 posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:53 1
Nice words about NOT trying to be the "iPhone Killer"... Hats off to Martin Fitcher!
20. ken (unregistered) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 06:53 0
Iphone never appeals to me from the very start, part of reason is that its pretty pricy and it always goes with 2yr contract which i dont really need. I was a diehard nokia fan before i laid my hand on my first android perhaps less than a year ago, which was a used xperia x10, i become so addicted to android phones ever since, and dumped my nokias. The advantages of android over nokia are so obvious and universal. At about the same time, i turn my attention to apple products starting with again a used ipad1, its a great machine in a way, that i can not live without a pad, now only very occasioanally do i use notebook at home for internet browsing. However, the inability to suppot flash and the pain in dealing with itune is beyond words, its the stupidest way to manage ur sytem like this, or put it this way, ios lacks user friendl6ness and degree of freedom, which very much against the trend softwarewise. Nevethless, i have tried out ipod touch, and iam convinced that iam not going to spend triple as much for an additional phone function, namely the iphone4. Apart from the apparent flaunt value, i dont know what else make ifanboys tick! And i wanna put up a hyperthetical question to those ifanboys (Miz, 530gemini and taco.....) do you wish your idevices to have flash support, and perhaps more freedom in file mamagement?
21. Mooooo posted on 13 Sep 2011, 07:00 1
Ken all they do is what there are told from apple.
Btw Itunes is junk and a big waste of time.
22. ken (unregistered) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 07:13 1
yap. Somehow someone has to be told what are the best for them...
Iam no apple hater, i just take pity in those who fail and reluctant to accept there are things better out there.
25. AnnDroid posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:04 3
True. iPhone's are great for older folks. My grandma uses one and loves it. I wouldn't be caught dead with one.
26. parkwaydr posted on 13 Sep 2011, 09:54 1
my grandpa got one, he said it wasnt hip enouph for him.........
27. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:02 3
its not that cool but yet it has the most internet traffic. People make no sense man. I agree more people are using other phones but the iPhone weather you like it or not is the phone that the world wants.
Just look at all the comments alone on this site. Weather its hate or not you cant deny it.
33. jroc74 posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:11 2
"people are using other phones but the iPhone weather you like it or not is the phone that the world wants."
Um...if "the world" wanted it....every other phone in existence would never get sold...if "the world" wanted it.
iPhone was only available on AT&T for how many years? How many other phones were on AT&T in that same time? I do recall other phones being bought when the iPhone was only on AT&T.
iPhone goes to Verizon...sets sales records....and yet other phones still got bought.
I dont think "the world" wants it. Some ppl, alot of ppl do...but not everyone. I know its a hard concept for some ppl to believe...but ppl do like having a choice. Choice is part of what put the iPhone where it is today.
36. darth8ball posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:33 2
so what your saying is because I hate the iDiotPhone and all things Apple, that means I want it.
If the whole world wanted an iDiotPhone, they would have one. If that were so there would be no punk music, agnostic religion to name two. Anti Social groups and way of thinking would prevent those to buy anything that WASN'T popular.
40. taco50 (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 12:06 2
I think you do secretly want it. You literally follow Apple around on EVERY article. Only idiot is you by the way.
41. darth8ball posted on 13 Sep 2011, 12:15 1
So back to name calling so intelligent that calling me an idiot is your only course of action.
And as for me wanting the phone....NO FREAKIN' WAY, I make a very comfortable living, travel the world buy myself whatever I want...so no using the I'm too poor defense. OH yeah btw I don't live with mommy and daddy either.
43. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:06 0
True even his logo includes an Apple logo
28. ayephoner posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:05 1
hilarious that hes saying this about a 14 month old device when there is a new one to launch in less than a month.
iphone 4 is OLD so it doenst capture the youth's attention. wait for the 5.
30. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 10:51 2
yup, its definately gonna have the immaginations of a new generation with its huge improvements that make stand up against the competition
an underpowered dual core chip
a huuuuge upgrade to 3.7 inch screen
an 8mpx camera with a pinhole sensor since they dont want it to interrupt design.
and android 1.5 on board!
31. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:02 2
Word sounds great!
I dont want the Android 1.5 though i cant stand that primative OS.
But i agree with everything else like the underpowered for Apple dual core chip that still will blow all other phones out the water.
and the perfect 3.7 inch screen
and the uninterrupted camera with carl Zeist Zoom.
This is making me have cold sweats waiting for it. You are so right with this post remixfa.
39. taco50 (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 12:04 1
And it will outsell every single android phone and so will the iPhone 4. What was that about having respectable comments? All you do is make idiotic comments on Apple articles.
47. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:51 0
sales dont = quality, and u know that.
and on the other report, it was showing that in some countries the SGS2 was outselling the iphone by a 2-1 margin. woops.
iKing, do you have an official report from apple that sais Karl Zeist is on the iphone5? I havent heard anything of the kind.
52. box (unregistered) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:17 0
I think Carl Zeiss should sue these impostors Karl Zeist. Their name is too close to their own. ;)
62. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:59 1
lol.. spelling was never my forte. Im lost without spell check :)
75. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:39 0
No remixfa i was just be sarcastic. I thought you knew better than that.
48. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:04 0
BTW, there is a difference between being a loud, one sided, "all i wanna do is troll and cause fights" poster, and one that pokes the bees nest every once and a while.
We all have a bias to one thing or another, and there is nothing wrong with poking each other in jest once and a while. There is however something wrong with being a blind fanatic.
Lately you have been much better about not being a blind fanatic, and we've all said something positive about it. Have you not noticed that since you stopped acting like a blind iTroll in the way you argue, people have been more receptive? Your still very pro apple, and there is nothing wrong with that. Its all in how you act and react.k
58. taz89 posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:46 0
well obviously a single android device is not going to out sell a single iphone 5 you only have a choice to get an iphone 5 with all the bells and whistles where as with android there are just too many phones so for example the gs2 not only is it competing with the iphone,it is also competing with the likes of the droid bionic,evo 3d,sensation etc so it will not manage the sales of a single iphone where as if the gs2 was the only android device right now,i have no doubt it could match the iphone sales as anyone who wanted an android would have to get the gs2...
59. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:51 0
the SGS2 is outselling the iphone in multiple markets. Its the #1 phone in many of the markets its in. If that holds true for america or not is something that waits to be seen.
35. jroc74 posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:16 0
Wait a min...it captured attention enough to set sales records on Verizon tho.
From some folks its "ha ha ha, a year old phone setting sales records on Verizon...Android is about to DIE!!!"
NOW its....it doesnt capture the youths attention because its an old phone...
Which one is it?
I swear....pro iPhone, Apple folks sure like moving the goal posts.
49. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:05 1
imma have to agree with you on that one iKing
74. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:37 0
Yea bro i was lost.
42. pandamaja (unregistered) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 13:41 0
Only hipsters had iphones back before they were cool.
44. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:07 0
Apple’s iPhone 4 has been the best-selling smartphone in the world since it launched over 14 months ago in June 2010, but the iPhone 5 is even more highly anticipated than the current-generation model was ahead of its release. According to a recent survey conducted by RBC Capital Markets, Apple’s iPhone 5 is seeing “unprecedented demand” ahead of its release, which is expected next month. Headed by analyst Mike Abramsky, the investment bank commissioned a survey of 2,200 people between August 2nd and August 10th, and found that 31% of respondents were very likely or somewhat likely to purchase an iPhone 5 once it launches. Ahead of the iPhone 4 release last year, a similar RBC survey found that 25% of consumers planned to purchase the smartphone.
45. gallitoking posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:29 1
thank you iKing... I agree on all of that.. but dont try to educate this fandroids... Apple needs them dumb.... al the hate they create just boost the hype for the king of the mountain... the iphone5..
46. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:41 2
honestly i'm sure a lot of these people on here either never used an iPhone or are undercover iPhone fans that just cant afford one... Or their parents wont buy them one.
50. remixfa posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:07 3
i love the afford arguement. Is that why the 3gs has been 50 bux or free for a long time now, and android phones have been up to 300 bux on contract? Last I checked, thats more than an iphone4.
So your arguement should be in reverse if anything.
Maybe ibots hate android because they cant afford the good ones?
51. darth8ball posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:16 1
Or in Taco's case his parents won't spend that much money on his phone because he didn't do all his chores and eat all his veggies.
53. iKingTrust (banned) posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:30 1
that 300 just started and im talking about when the phone first comes out. You are messing with the wrong one. You cant play me lil man. You are talking about a new droid for the first time that is $300 (SN: not worth it) comparing it to an old iPhone that still sells more than your s**tty droid and that is over 2 years old but still costs $50 with contract and that can go for almost $200 on ebay.
While in the mean time your "droids" go to free in 6 months.