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Apple iPhone 5 to connect to 4G via HSPA+ says China Unicom

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Apple iPhone 5 to connect to 4G via HSPA+ says China Unicom
The fifth generation of the Apple iPhone will offer 4G connectivity through an HSPA+ network with speeds as high as 21Mbps. This is according to a slide presented by China Unicom at MacWorld Asia. A picture of the slide was obtained by Macotakara and shows the history of Apple's iconic touchscreen phone from the original launched in 2007 to the new model expected to launch next month.

The slide has a blank where a photograph of the new Apple iPhone would go. The only details about the new phone is that it will run over HSPA+ pipelines. Those networks have a theoretical maximum download speed of 21Mbps which allow carriers to call it a 4G network. Inside GSM versions of the iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3 is a WCDMA radio that provided maximum speeds of 7.2Mbps while the original Apple iPhone ran on a 480Kbps EDGE network.

In the States, AT&T and T-Mobile offer HSPA+ service, but of the two, only the former is an Apple iPhone vendor. Verizon, the other carrier to offer the phone in the U.S., uses LTE technology for 4G. Back in April, Tim Cook-then Apple's COO-said that while the company has explored using the technology, there was no rush to add LTE connectivity to its products.

source: Macotakara (translated) via AppleInsider

This slide, presented by China Unicom, shows HSPA+ connectivity for the next Apple iPhone

This slide, presented by China Unicom, shows HSPA+ connectivity for the next Apple iPhone


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posted on 29 Sep 2011, 12:57 9

1. N.Reynolds (Posts: 257; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)


Except HSPA+ isn't truly 4G...

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:37 4

8. corporateJP (Posts: 1548; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Thanks, now I don't have to point that out.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:38 9

9. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


except.. your wrong, it is. They changed the definitions a good while ago. Under the old rules 4G doesnt exist yet on a carrier. Under the new rules anything that can go (i think its) 12mb/s or higher can be concidered 4g.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:55 4

14. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


wow remixfa? no hating?

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:23 4

36. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


hate to tell you but i am (mostly) impartial. you see what you want to see, but i defend all sides from inaccuracies. i even defend taco on those rare instances he is right.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:05 7

18. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yes the rules have been changed for almost a year now. WiMAX, HSPA+ & LTE are ALL 4G. That should be common knowledge by now!

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:16 4

23. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I guess 3.9G is a little difficult to market.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:32 3

27. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Well if it meets the new standard then it's 4G. WiMAX, HSPA+ & LTE meet that standard so 3.9G really makes no sense. If it meets the new 4G standard then guess what....... it's 4G!
Don't know how else to say it.
Again it's not me that said this it's the International Telecommunication Union that said this in December of 2010 in Geneva.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:03 2

31. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


So basically the "old" 4G standard will be redefined as 5G.

Which is where I feel Verizon played it right, because their 4G LTE network will be much smoother to upgrade to 5G LTE Advanced.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:22 4

34. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


No 4G includes WiMAX, HSPA+, & LTE. All the way up to WiMAX 2 & LTE Advanced which both can reach up to 100 Mbps or more. We are nowhere near 5G, by then you will be talking about Nanotechnology, Cloud Computing & All IP Platform. They call it 5G NanoCore. That is way in the future. First let's enjoy 4G first.

Here is a link:
http://learntelecom.com/telephony/5g/what-is-the-need-for-5g-technology

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:37

41. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


That doesn't make sense to me, especially from a marketing standpoint. I can accept that the step up from 1 Mbps 3G to 10 Mbps can be called 4G. A tenfold increased qualifies as next-generation to me. But when we move from 10 Mbps 4G to 100 Mbps, what will they call it? "Faster 4G"?

It's tricky, because the technology involved in LTE and LTE-Advanced will be the same "generation", but I can't imagine the marketing departments are going to accept it. And let's face it, marketing rules.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 16:09 3

45. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


4G+ is the term. :)

its no different than when GSM 3g went from 1.5mbs to 7.2mbs. It was still "3G" and that was over a 600% increase.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 06:05

59. nofan (unregistered)


"we are nowhere near 5G" ?? Yeah until they change the definition again. lol

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 08:18

61. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


they didnt change the definition, they changed the threshold. the "4G" technologies are still the same, they just lowered the bar from 100mbs to 12 mbs. LTE, HSPA+, and Wimax were 4G techs before and after the change.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:23

24. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5610; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Doesn't matter when you are churning the market in advance of the release of the new iPhone....

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:32 1

26. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5610; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I think the real let-down will be if Apple doesn't release an iPhone 5 at their presser....

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:01 5

2. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


yeah right but at least iPhone will now experience faster data speeds.. alright android.. let's bring 5G.. =)

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 16:28 1

47. Yeeee (Posts: 190; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Yea At&t will say they have only 4g iphone but verizon will have a lte prime

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:06 3

3. BarneyDroid (Posts: 35; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)


It would be suicide for Apple to not run LTE in the iPhone 5.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:19 6

6. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


iPhone outsells all LTE phones on VZW combined so no it's not suicide. If it supports hspa+, which I believe it will that will be more than enough. Remember it's a world phone and hspa is widely available while LTE is not.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:39 6

10. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


valid point by taco.

one day he may actually give credit when people agree with him, instead of pretending that never happened, so he can continue to call people one sided.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:00 3

16. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


remixfa account must be hacked. HE is being way to nice.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:25 1

37. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, your just finally noticing because im defending apple and such at the moment. if i were defending android with the same subject, you would be calling me a fandroid. your perception has changed, my arguements have not. i defend anything i think is accurate and go after anything i think is innacurate.. period.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:55 1

30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I did give you credit for agreeing with me a few articles back. You have been a little more fair handed, but still overall very biased when it comes to Apple and T Mobile

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:26 1

38. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, you just dont like my opinions because they dont agree with your bias.. lol.

link me to this article where you credit me for agreeing with you.. ive been waiting for months to see that.. lol

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:58 3

15. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


Taco FTW. Also if the iPhone got 4G it would be more like a homicide.
Shots fired Android Down. lol

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 17:25 1

51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Ha ha iKing it would be a homicide. Steve Jobs would be tried for murder.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:06 1

20. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Hey when taco50 is right, he is right. There is nothing wrong with what taco50 just said!

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 00:43

57. jacko (unregistered)


maybe but android been outselling apple the world over

..... waiting for come back

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:02 1

17. simplyj (Posts: 404; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)


All people care about is 4G, not LTE or WiMax. So as long there is "4g" in the names or specs, people will go mad for it.

Besides LTE and WiMax are battery killers.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:09 1

4. G-Reg (unregistered)


Im going to take a wildass guess and say iPhone 5 will be 3g(us), iPhone5s will be 4g.

Im just thinking about the size of the lte radios not being able to slim down in time.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:13

5. Atrix 4g (unregistered)


Im pretty sure, i read an article a while back that the iphone 5 will not connect to 4g (HSPA+) or 4g LTE, that it will most likely in the 6th generation.

Plus um apple does a good job on keeping things secret, until they announce it.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:31

7. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I suppose they could offer an HSPA+ iPhone for AT&T (which could then hold a speed advantage over Verizon's head), but it would screw up Apple's marketing. "Faster than ever.*


*participating carrier required"

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:40

11. joe45 (unregistered)


China has their own network..has NOTHING to do with US or Canadian or even European frequencies..same thing with Japan..Docomo

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:50

12. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


iPhone 4s not iPhone 5 still looking for best quality and cheap components.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 13:52 2

13. cc (unregistered)


Yeah, and the 2012 Toyota Camry will come with a V12... in the form of a V6. But it's a V12. Our marketing department f**king says so.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:07

21. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


? Who's man is this

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:27

25. cc (unregistered)


Why thumbs down? They are advertising HSPA+ as 4G when it is in fact NOT 4G. Similar to promising buyers that their new Camry will have a V12 when in fact there is a V6 under the hood.

Thumbs down all you want, facts are facts.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:08

32. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


This is a dead argument. HSPA+, WiMax and LTE are not 4G as originally designated, but because the carriers marketed them as 4G, the definition was revised.

So thumbs down for exhuming that dead horse. (And for the inept automotive analogy.)

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:23

35. cc (unregistered)


Yeah, advertising an internet connection as faster than it is is definitely not the same as advertising a car as being faster than it is.

Wait...

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:44

42. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


You're missing the point. 4G *used* to be an as-yet-unattained 100+ Mbps standard that none of the abovementioned technologies meets. The carriers (starting with Sprint, then T-Mo, then AT&T and Verizon which at least had a 4G-ready LTE network) started calling their networks 4G, and rather than fighting it, the ITU revised the definition. It's not false advertising if the industry changes its standards.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:06

19. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


cant wait for it to come out

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:14

22. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


We can't argue that what ever the iPhone is going to have and what ever its gonna be, it will sell, and will top the sales chart.

But for me, it still sux.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:46 1

28. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


i agree with it will you i cant stand the dam phone i can't understand the hype behind the phone this but we will see

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:12

33. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


I had the 3GS before. I jailbroke it. Had the installous app from Cydia and was happy because of the games. But then I realized all of the inconveniences that it have. It cant transfer or recieve anything from bluetooth. My friends have the 2006 model of Nokias and they can do it. Then another thing, I cant mess with my songs without that stupid iTunes. So I finally gave it up. Got my Android and it has all the games i want. And it just basically have what i need and it can do what i want it to do.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:58

44. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


I got my son a iphone 4 because he thought it was "cool" and he is 15 years old .9 months later he cant stand the dam thing because he likes my android and wants one now (at&t). told him he just gonna have to learn everything that is "cool" doesn't mean its the best.He loves playing with my photon because i have the hd dock and he likes going on the web on the big screen at home it really is awesome..android just gives you more choices and that's just the way i feel about it

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 16:21

46. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


bada parenting... how dare you have your son in ATT while you enjoy the beauty of unlimited data that Sprint offers.. hmmmmm

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 17:12

49. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So if you can't stand the phone why do you read EVERY article about it AND post. I always see your name in the comments section.

You prefer android, GREAT! Be happy with what you have.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 14:52

29. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


Apple has just lowered the troll security level to brown.... or whatever color follows orange..jejeje

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:27 1

39. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


so are they going to call it the iphone5 4g. I can see everyone going, "i have the new 54g iphone!" lol

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:31

40. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


I rememer the fan made videos on YouTube for the iPhone 4 vs. HTC Evo 4G. lol

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 15:50 1

43. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


dumb sheep lol

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 17:17 1

50. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


That was a funny video. Hey tmac who's the sheep. The one happy with their iPhone or the person that follows Apple around on all their articles. There has to be something your phone isn't giving you that you're in search of.


This is what I don't get. Every Apple article has the same troll comments.

Sheep
Outdated specs
Freedom
No flash
Death grip
Boring OS
Marketing


Ok we get it, but why do you feel the need to prove readers on a forum your phone is better? Why do you care what OTHERS use for their phone. Sounds like you need validation.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 20:08 1

52. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and you bring the same troll comments to android articles

force close
choppiness
outdated before it launches
you dont need flash
cheap build quality
only poor people buy it
you hate customization
marketing

dont be a hypocrite.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 20:09

53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I don't bring them to android articles. You guys are here posting.

Plus all mine are true

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 20:30

54. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


like normal you think that false = true. none of yours are true exept that maybe u hate the ability to customize. And your also not being honest. you bring those tired, antiquated arguements with you every time you get into an iBot vs Fandroid cat fight... no matter what thread your in.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 16:47

48. simplyj (Posts: 404; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)


I wish that Sprint would announce Rev B for the iPhone. Screw you Sprint and your crappy download speeds. Can't beat 40 bucks though...

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 20:36

55. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2941; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


In the end both Taco and Remix have points and are both correct. However Taco just won't admit that that people troll and bash Android just as much as people bash Apple. Taco acts like everyone is just bullying Apple and acts completely one sided to it. When we have the Miz, for no reason at all, will troll and bash every single Android article no matter what. He usually is first on there before anyone can say anything and he's bashing. But enough of that!


Both products have their strengths and weaknesses and really, you can't go wrong with either product. Android or Apple are both great products.

I only switched from iphone 3G to android because I wanted something with a larger display and the idea of an open os got my attention. I have had plenty of android phones and some of them have been really good turned into crap by bad upgrading.

Examples: OG Droid worked great on 2.0 until it got 2.1/2.2. It became laggy, choppy, force closes, random reboots, etc.

Droid X also worked great on 2.1 then did everything my OG Droid did after the upgrade.

But make NO mistake about it, I know first hand that upgrades can do harm to iphones. After getting the IOS3 upgrade on my iphone 3g, it also became very unstable. Constantly kicking me out of apps, apps not loading, apps not allowed me to uninstall or move them forcing me to do a full factory reset. It also had issues with random rebooting as well.

So in the end no OS is perfect, not everyone is going to either notice or experience these problems but they are real and they do exist.

posted on 29 Sep 2011, 21:08

56. gaby1451 (Posts: 113; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the first iPhone 3G had an HSPA max of 3.6Mbps; not 7.2Mbps?

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 06:55

60. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


yes, because it was HSDPA, not HSPA. :)

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