Flight Attendants sue FAA to get electronics ban reinstated on takeoffs and landings

Flight Attendants sue FAA to get electronics ban reinstated on takeoffs and landings
The Flight Attendants union took the FAA to court on Friday. The Flight Attendants want the FAA to reverse its decision to allow passengers on a plane to use their electronic gadgets during takeoff and landing. The Association of Flight Attendants-CWA is arguing that the FAA violated federal regulations that force passengers to stow all items during those critical times of a flight.

The FAA is being represented by Justice Department lawyers, and it is their contention that the smaller electronic gadgets held in passengers' hands, are not covered by the aforementioned federal regulations. Both sides argued in front of a three judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Last Halloween, the FAA removed its ban against the use of cellphones and tablets "gate to gate". From that point on, passengers were allowed to use their handsets and slates during takeoffs and landings as long as they were set on Airplane Mode, cutting off any cellular connections.

But the flight attendants are complaining that passengers aren't paying attention to the emergency announcements made by them, prior to takeoff. These announcements traditionally point out the emergency exits on board a flight, discuss flotation devices on flights over water, and explain how to use the oxygen masks in case of a severe loss of cabin pressure. There is also a concern that the devices could make it hard for passengers to quickly leave the aircraft in case of an emergency. And in at least one case, a tablet became a dangerous projectile, flying across the cabin.

Amanda Duré, one of the attorneys for the the flight attendants, said that her clients would agree to a ruling that would allow the gadgets to be turned on during takeoff and landing, as long as they are stowed away. The Association of Flight Attendants-CWA is arguing that the FAA needed a formal rule change to remove the ban, instead of the guidance it issued, which paved the way for the passengers to use their gadgets during takeoffs and landings. The Justice Department of course, disagrees.


source: WSJ

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20 Comments

1. Martin_Cooper

Posts: 1774; Member since: Jul 30, 2013

They have a really good point. But since dumb people will ignore the safety tips at each flight that just means they will ignore other safety tips in their lives and probably natural selection will work its way as it always does.

12. deacz

Posts: 162; Member since: Nov 02, 2011

if you need oxygen on a flight i think holding a ipad is your smallest concern. The whole story is bs.

2. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Sounds like a good thing. Too many passengers have become nothing more than iZombies on the rampage.

4. Pattyface

Posts: 1658; Member since: Aug 20, 2014

You forgot fandroids in your one-sided jab

5. JMartin22

Posts: 2380; Member since: Apr 30, 2013

I always see more repulsive and inconsiderate people on flights donning iPhones than Android handsets.

9. strudelz100

Posts: 646; Member since: Aug 20, 2014

More frequent fliers can afford iPhones.

17. TheOldOne

Posts: 196; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

How about holding the newspaper, or the duty free catalog? Noone is complaining about these... speaking about news papers: they are just too big to read it in the cabin, I have a tried many times, why they don't print A4 versions of it? Ohh, wait... we have tables for that!

3. Rydsmith unregistered

"Amanda Duré, one of the attorneys for the the flight attendants, said that her clients would agree to a ruling that would allow the gadgets to be turned on during takeoff and landing, as long as they are stowed away. " Soooo I'll just have my phone in my pocket, yet still have my headphones on ignoring your presentation (that I've heard well over 50 times) doing the only thing that makes you feel important.?

6. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

This. I know where the exit is and just tell me if I have an actual life preserver or a cheap ass seat to hold on to.

7. Omarc07

Posts: 574; Member since: Nov 12, 2012

They should do what they do in mexican airlines haha In Aeromexico the flight attendants if they see u using your phone during take off they talk shyt to u . Happen to me twice when flying from mexico city to LAX i wanted to record when the plane was taking off the flight attendant past by and litterally told me in spanish put your effin phone away or things are gonna get bad if i go tell the pilot.. They should all be like this On other airlines haha maybe people will listen haha .

8. JMartin22

Posts: 2380; Member since: Apr 30, 2013

Doing that on a major US airline would land you out of a job and on all the major news networks.

11. TruPatriot

Posts: 110; Member since: May 27, 2013

This crap is getting out of control. Nobody cares wtf flight attendants say.

13. deacz

Posts: 162; Member since: Nov 02, 2011

becuase 75% of what they are saying is outdated useless crapp that doesnt matter.

14. xeonfire

Posts: 94; Member since: Feb 15, 2014

Why is it BS? Wait till one day you really need to find the exit, find the life jacket and really put it on...people think that they know it all, when shxt hits the fan, you think you can leisurely go look for it, or ask questions...the fight attendants would probably think...serve you right for not listening you arrogant ignorant whatever...

19. Jason78

Posts: 281; Member since: Apr 10, 2013

I already know where to find the exit, I look before I sit down. I also know how to use the seat belt and oxygen mask. This stuff isn't hard. As to life jackets, my last flight was out of Las Vegas over nothing but desert. I doubt a life jacket would be of much use.

20. xeonfire

Posts: 94; Member since: Feb 15, 2014

What i said...

15. mike2959

Posts: 697; Member since: Oct 08, 2011

I kinda feel like a kid asking their parents why? I have to believe that if there was the slightest chance that personal electronics interfered with the plane in any way, there would be no electronics on the damn plane. Oh.. Wait thousands of flights each day and millions are shutting off their devices. Yeah ok. So then I'm asking is it because you really think you have the 200 people listening to the seat belt demonstration? Which about half now is just a pre recorded message. Like I said it possibly cannot be those 2 reason's, so I'm that kid that keeps asking "why mamma" I bet the government is just saying "because I said so that's why!"

16. Japultra

Posts: 133; Member since: May 16, 2014

No. Just no. I've heard the spiel enough times.

18. marbovo

Posts: 658; Member since: May 16, 2013

Flight attendants just want attention, please, just take me a coffee and don't bother me.

21. Uhnon

Posts: 1; Member since: Oct 13, 2014

As a frequent flier and one time airline employee, I have noticed how more at ease passengers are in the cabin without these unnecessary restrictions. The absence of which actually makes passengers more likely to at least listen to audible safety announcements. Whilst I generally respect flight attendants for the tough jobs they have chosen to do for the low pay and limited benefits they get, this action by the CWA is little more than a a ploy to assert unnecessary control over customers under the guise of it being a safety issue where it is absolutely NOT justified and NOT necessary. Punitive actions against customers by taking away access to their gadgets does not necessarily increase safety nor increase attention to flight attendants. It just makes passengers more frustrated and takes away what little if any enjoyment is left when flying these days. Their is no need for the CWA to control passengers this way. Our rights have already been violated in the name of safety for too long and we definitely don't want to go backwards!

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