Sony makes $20 every time an iPhone 6 is sold, is by far the largest camera sensor supplier in the world
1. kobainez (Posts: 427; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
At least sony makes profit out of two largest smartphone makers
26. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3713; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Sony sensors are quite famous, from Chinese phones to Apple / Samsung.
They should make more profit from Apple as Apple earns big money.
IMX240 is superb though.
41. timetophone (Posts: 14; Member since: 25 Feb 2015)
Sony's big problem is marketing--even the Wall Street Journal and gadget blog Gizmodo say this. They both say that Sony makes great phones. Wall Street J looked at all the reviews and said "Sony's smartphones have been getting rave reviews. Too bad no one knows about them." They then go on to mention all of the features--great battery life, Playstation integration, waterproofing, etc.--but that Sony simply doesn't market its stuff. Or make it available on carriers. I'm in the US, and I've never seen a Sony television ad, but I see Samsung ads every single day. With 21-MP camera, 4K video, waterproofing, Playstation integration, hi-res audio, and battery life longer than iPhone 6 or Galaxy S6, Sony Xperia should be doing a lot better, but they're not. It's their marketing.
46. Djz89 (Posts: 271; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)
In norway and Scandinavia sony phones actually are quite popular, and i see alot of people using them. To bad that market basically is worthless compared to the rest of the world.
49. techperson211 (Posts: 1168; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)
@kentoz still trolling in every Sony article this is about their sensors not their mobile division.
51. dimas (Posts: 1896; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)
Even if Sony mobile division dies, they're still going to make money out of their camera and audio products.
30. joey_sfb (Posts: 5330; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Yes! I am a PlayStation fan. So I am happy for Sony.
If only Sony phone has thinner border I would have bought them. Every time i pick up their tablet or phone, I just can't get over their thick border.
Screen to body ratio is very important to me.
40. timetophone (Posts: 14; Member since: 25 Feb 2015)
A review I just read said that although the Z4 tablet has a plentiful bezel, this is offset by the fact that it doesn't seem to weigh anything at all, as well as the thin-ness (front to back). I handled one at a Sony store and was surprised by its thin-ness--it was like picking up a clipboard! About the bezel, it might not be too bad to have a wide one with a large tablet since you might be holding it with two hands.
I actually wish Sony would make a Playstation Tablet. Vita games and PS4 game streaming, in a tablet. I am sure it'd be a winner.
Oh, didn't realize that we can't post links. So, just look up the article "Hands-on: Sony's gorgeous Xperia Z4 Tablet is exactly why it shouldn't stop making mobile devices" by Florence Ion
54. joey_sfb (Posts: 5330; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
That's why i end up with Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE and its my daily driver.
The Tab is not only light but also has a screen to body ratio of 76%
31. waddup121 (unregistered)
$ony. Cha ching!
47. joonlin (Posts: 11; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)
If Sony did not made improvement in coming years, surely Samsung will overtake Sony
50. dimas (Posts: 1896; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)
Just like Ericsson who still makes money out of technology patents. You can be away from the spotlight and people can mock their phone sales but they're still counting more money than the general public lol.
2. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
With the badass IMX230 ahead, the future seems bright for Sony sensors.
32. BruceLeeRoyJenkins (Posts: 51; Member since: 27 Feb 2015)
If only Sony can couple a great software with their superb hardware...
43. timetophone (Posts: 14; Member since: 25 Feb 2015)
I just wish they'd make more of their phones available on more carriers here in the US. For some reason, only the Z3 is available in the US, and only on Verizon and T-Mobile. The Compact version isn't even available. Then they wonder why they can't sell phones.
42. timetophone (Posts: 14; Member since: 25 Feb 2015)
Sony has a new sensor that will be able to record 6K video at 240 frames per second and 2K video at 16,000 fps. But the icing on the cake is its Active Color Sampling technology. In conventional sensors, there are pixels for red, green and blue separately. But in Sony's new sensor, each pixel can sample all three colors. This means it only needs 1/3 the pixels to output the same resolution. With this technology, with the same number of pixels as a conventional sensor, Sony's sensor will be able to output 3X the resolution. So you're right--the future seems bright for Sony sensors!
44. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Sensor has no relation with video. If the SoC doesn't support it, then it's useless.
There is no SoC currently except tegra X1 that even supports 4K@60fps, and X1 is a tablet chip.
Plus, I'm sure you are making that up.
And in conventional sensors, one pixel can sample all 3 colors.
59. timetophone (Posts: 14; Member since: 25 Feb 2015)
Nope. Look things up, before telling people they are making it up. A number of sites--Sonyalpharumors, Image-Sensors-World, SLRlounge and Nofilmschool--have reported on this. Sonyalpharumors says "The Sony sensor has the worlds first sensor capable of capturing the full color spectrum info in one single pixel...the sensor is also capable of Global Shutter and 2K recording at crazy 16,000 frames per second." Nofilmschool, which shares info on all things film including latest technology, says the new sensor "will be able to record 6K video at up to 240fps and 2K video at an astounding 16,000fps. Instead of using the traditional bayer method of color interpolation, where there are individual pixels for the red, green, and blue channels, the new sensor has pixels that can sample each of the three colors using a technology called Active Pixel Color Sampling.. Essentially this means that the new sensors only need 1/3 of the pixels in order to output the same resolution." SLRlounge says "this new Sony Active-Pixel Color Sampling sensor allows for each individual pixel to record red, green or blue. This means no need for dedicated color layers (Foveon), and no need for interpolating (Bayer)." This is a new sensor and there are no products that support it, so you are right in that. But the tech has been announced, so even if the reports are inaccurate, it is wrong to conclude I made it up. Won't read further replies since I'm sure you'll say the sites are made up.
63. james2841 (Posts: 147; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)
What is the name of it? It should be used in "real" slow motion cameras that are dedicated to slow motion.
3. shiftt (Posts: 333; Member since: 03 May 2015)
Sony has good camera sensors but their camera on the Z series is effy. Oh the questions.. But nice to see Sony making a profit.... Even if they can't meet the demand.
4. gaming64 (unregistered)
Its just software issues. I hope they would fix that on the Z5
23. nanozander (Posts: 85; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
TBH i still think it's more of a lens issue. Images are soft all round even at the center. Image processing seems to handle the noise at stupid high ISOs.
36. FaisalWibowo11 (Posts: 160; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
You are right about the lens issue. But it ain't because of bad quality but because of the very wide FoV (angle). The FoV is just too wide for the sensor too handle. So many people blamed aggresive noise reduction but people seem to forget the after effects of NR which is oil painted effect. And.. There are actually more cameraphones that has more pronounced painting effect than xperia phones such as Let's say LG G3, iphone 6 & 6+, Galaxy S5 & Note 4, and even Lumia 930. I played quite often to flickr groups to prove this
I think the reason why Xperia cameras produced less details than competitors such as Note 4 (in daylight especially) is because Xperia cameras have always use very wide angle 25-27mm lens: When you have wide angle lens, you capture much more in one scene but the image perspective is very zoomed out and therefore the detail resolving power is divided because the sensor has to deal with many objects on one scene. Note 4 & S5 uses very narrow 31mm lens, you get less objects in one scene but the image perspective is zoomed in and you get more details because the sensor doesn't have to deal with many objects in one scene.
As a matter of fact I have my own experience to prove this:
- I did a outdoor landscape comparison of my Z2 and my mom's Xperia T2 Ultra. I used full 20.7MP on Z2 and full 12.8MP on T2 Ultra. Z2 has 27mm lens and T2 has 30 or 31mm lens. In terms of detail, T2 ultra matched Z2 even though it has resolution difference of nearly 8 million pixels! Image processing wise, Z2 is quite on the sharpening side while T2's NR is stronger. But why is T2's detail is matching Z2? Because of the lens FoV that I talked about earlier.
- I recently bought a Z3 and just compared it's camera against Z2. And Z2 is better in every ISO range. Processing wise, both are the same.. But again, Z3's very wide 25mm is just too much for a 1/2.3" sized sensor.
The concept is similar to the difference of putting let's say Full HD resoultion on 5" screen and 6" screen. The 5" screen with have more pixels so the screen is sharper!
See this: my personal camera comparisonhttps://drive.google.com/folde
And my flickr photostream:
38. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)
That's a very good analysis. I have the exact same experience from my Z3 & Z2. Like you said, z2 captures narrower image with sharper details & Z3 does the opposite. Quite an interesting trade-off.
39. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)
DXO scores for Z2 & Z3 for texture only
z2; Texture -> 84
z3: Texture -> 75
28. RandomUsername (Posts: 808; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)
Its just software issues. I hope they would fix that on the Z10.
6. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1888; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
The sensors on Z series are amazing, but Sony's camera app is just.... plain... if you know how to take a good picture manually with it, you'll get great result. Otherwise you will get an average pictures.
19. buccob (Posts: 2512; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Sometimes when doing my comparisons, Superior Auto actually impresses, but not all the time... I notice that for my Z3C in sunny days it is actually more accurate to take pictures with White Balance set to "Cloudy" because normally the pictures in auto are a bit too cold (not just because of the screen calibration), so the white balance in cloudy makes them warmer in that situation.
I haven't been able to compare it to the S6 yet, but against any other in Low Light (without flash), setting it to High Sensitivity ISO it has no match.
Of course this doesn't compare to being able to take long exposures like the G4... but having the option to go up to ISO12800 for handheld-flashless-lowlight pictures is awesome
37. FaisalWibowo11 (Posts: 160; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
I have both Z2 & Z3 with me. You are right about the auto WB on the Z3c, it's just too cold.
When I compare Z3 against Z2, in order for Z3 to match the WB of Z2, the WB of Z3 must be set to cloudy
33. marorun (Posts: 3127; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
I been using Camera FV-5 on my old Z1 and the picture quality is about as good as the S6 lol so yeah its the software thats kill it.
5. gaming64 (unregistered)
Really good news. The only thing Sony needs to do now is to revamp the whole Xperia line
7. slannmage (Posts: 148; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)
Sony need to put that 1/1.7 sensor they've made this year in the Xperia Z4c, then I'd buy one. I don't mind a thicker phone, I just hate the other two dimensions being massive as it prevents one handed use and them fitting nicely into my pocket. This is why I'll never buy a phone bigger than an iPhone 5s or the current Xperia Z3c and why I personally still use a Nokia 808. That phone is thick, but that is fine since our palms are curved, it fits nicely in my pocket, it feels great in the hand and was thick enough to allow a giant sensor that is almost 1 inch.
8. haphap (Posts: 12; Member since: 16 Jan 2015)
Yeah, Sony needs to make a whole new experience with new Xperia.
9. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)
Dunno, sammy's isocell rapes sony's sensor imho.
17. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)
Photos at night time look terrible with sony's sensor. They're dark and have blue tint, not to mention oversaturated colours.
34. marorun (Posts: 3127; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
No such problem on my Z1 using Camera FV-5 camera app.
So its not the sensor but the software.
14. Kruze (Posts: 1285; Member since: 30 Dec 2014)
Dunno, Sony's IMX sensor rapes Sammy's ISOCELL sensor imho.
10. Denco (Posts: 118; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
Then, let Sony stop making phones and focus on their camera edge.
15. Feanor (Posts: 670; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
Sounds like an easy solution, and with the added benefit that you don't compete on the mobile phone arena with your camera sensor clients.
However, this would put Sony in an extremely precarious position, in case Apple decides in the future to switch suppliers. Only for this Sony should continue making phones. Anyway, there is nothing wrong with their smartphone portfolio apart from lack of brand awareness from the end customer side.
11. ameran (Posts: 241; Member since: 04 Dec 2013)
The iSheep would say, Apple invented the camera lens and the sensor, but Sony is making them for Apple.
24. Iodine (Posts: 1303; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Apple got custom sensor, lenses and packaging, no wonder they have to pay 20$ for that which is about a tenth of the price of the phone according to iHaters.
Also iHaters are truly the only iSheeps in here, needing to meeeh in every discusion, while rest of Apple crowd is enjoying their devices.
35. marorun (Posts: 3127; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
I see load of Apple iSheeps do the same thing in every dscusions lol.
60. timetophone (Posts: 14; Member since: 25 Feb 2015)
1/10 is a nice cut considering it's just one component in one component (the sensor in the camera module). For the investment, Sony is doing well off these sensors--no marketing or distribution required. And I don't begrudge Apple--they make fine products. But it's great that both Apple and Sony benefit from these high-quality sensors.
13. ibend (Posts: 3504; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)
thats for sony's camera division.. sony mobile still a failure :-/
18. ryq24 (Posts: 688; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
If Sony is not careful, like their TV , Samsung will one day overtake them.
20. bucky (Posts: 2459; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
I have always trusted Sony products. Their problem is not quality but more so marketing and price. They command too strong of a price when the competition offers it for cheaper (albeit cheaper quality too) and advertises the hell out of theirs.
22. Feanor (Posts: 670; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
That's not true for their mobile phones anymore. Their flagships until now have remained to levels less than €600 Shen new on the market. The Samsung Galaxy S6 costs new about €100 more, same with iPhone. Sony flagships start looking like a bargain.
25. bucky (Posts: 2459; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
The problem is they are doing so now. They should have done this before. Their TV's are still really expensive compared to their rivals.
27. CamaroSS (Posts: 173; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)
Depends on the TV model though. If you're talking about the top of the line x950B, yes - it's expensive cause it was the only 4K TV that came with full array local dimming last year. Even a 1080p TV like HX929 with Full array local dimming was quite expensive. But Sony has quite a few cheap models as well.
64. Venkatramanan (Posts: 308; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)
I don't think Sony TVs are expensive. But lack of marketing and less retailer's margin are the reason for their downfall. Sammy does the marketing very well though their TVs are s**t. I was about to purchase Bravia. But the retailer told that Samsung is better than Sony and he told some lies that Sony has many quality issues. So i Bought Samsung TV. After the warrenty is over, The TV Display was gone. Just two years for a costly TV is the example of bad quality. Many of my friends who bought the bravia are still enjoying with the TV. Now Even though their recent phones are tempting me to buy, Because of these bad experience, I never buy any Samsung products. s**tty Marketing made a loss for me.
56. pendragon0202 (Posts: 88; Member since: 23 Feb 2015)
Sucks to be #1 in flat panel TV for decades?
65. Venkatramanan (Posts: 308; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)
TV sucks after the warrenty is over. My personal Experience. see comment #64
21. sonisoe (Posts: 405; Member since: 06 May 2009)
thats why i was baffled, being one of the, if not 'the', best screen (ie. TVs LED, etc) & camera-sensor manufacturer, xperia z and z1 had an awful display and z2/z3 while shoot great pictures arent arguably better than s6 or iphone.
48. JMartin22 (Posts: 1899; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
The one thing Sony does right in the mobile sector is as a component supplier. They should liquidate their mobile division; it's just costing them more money to maintain and effort hasn't paid off. They still got the component and gaming sector still secured.
53. dimas (Posts: 1896; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)
Or they could just simplify their mobile division. Continue their two Z and Z compact series or just go mid range selling with fewer products. Either, it's their money to burn so we just have to see what they do with their Z line.