IDC: Apple iPhone outsold in Italy by Nokia
In the U.K., Nokia doubled its smartphone sales to 396,000 units for the second quarter, representing 40% of all of its Lumia sales for the period. Despite that, Nokia fails to turn up in that region's list of the top five smartphone sellers by market share.
Overall, in Western Europe Nokia sold 1.8 million smartphones in the second quarter which was an 11% decline from last year, but did allow Nokia to have the fifth highest market share in the area during the April to June period this year. What makes this an especially poor performance for Nokia is the fact that smartphone sales in Western Europe rose 19% year over year.
Nokia has tried to turn the tide by throwing more phones at the situation. Since the beginning of the year, there have been 9 new Nokia Lumia models including a version of the Nokia Lumia 920 designed just for the proprietary TD-SCDMA network for the world's largest carrier, China Mobile.
source: WSJ via WMPoweruser
1. asingha94 (Posts: 292; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)
haha!!That's Nokia power...From one by one to all...Haters gonna hate!!Good job Nokia!
18. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Me2 +1 for being stagnant or heading down south
78. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3562; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
What kind do you use❔ or are you scared I'm going to make it look like trash❔❔
82. akki20892 (Posts: 3655; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
He is a fan of only Nokia not lumia. I know that he is using nokia.
70. SingDaFire (Posts: 74; Member since: 21 Jun 2013)
You make me laugh troll.. Too hard to swallow the truth eh.. It's ok it happens...;)
anyway good job Nokia.. Success awaits you..
5. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5955; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Not a happy day at Apple Italy HQ....
6. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8922; Member since: 14 May 2012)
It's great that Nokia outsold the iPhone in Italy, but if you actually read the article, it really isn't in other parts of the world. Their sales in Europe were down 11% from last year even though smart phones saw an increase of 19% year over year. While Nokia is rising in Italy, their falling throughout Europe...
10. Nokfan1603 (Posts: 26; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)
Last year's numbers include Symbian. Nokia Lumia is growing fast. In Europe people start to get bored with the iphone.
35. jdoee100 (Posts: 313; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
This means that even Symbian owners are not choosing to go with Nokia Lumia.
39. fronzy (Posts: 5; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
That's because Symbian owners are still using their Symbian phones with excellent build quality and are planning to buy a new Nokia Lumia!!!
45. jdoee100 (Posts: 313; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
You're missing the whole point. Nokia Lumia has lost 11% from same time last year in Europe when smartphone market went up by 19%. This means people including ex-Nokia owners are not buying MS based Nokia phones. It's NOT growing in Western Europe at all, instead it's failing.
56. mousesports (Posts: 260; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)
i see you dont understand .... live this and go to samisugi forum
72. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
WP8 is the fastest growing OS in the world, out pacing both iOS and Android. The sales of Nokia Lumia WP8 devices have continued to grow around 25% to 30% each quarter, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what this means. Those persons who post on PA and claim WP8 is failing to make gains are basically telling lies...
I expect for Nokia to ship about 9.5 to 10.5 million Lumia devices for Q3, and then about 11-12 million for Q4. The company should return to profitability in early 2014, or possibly sooner, depending on the performance of NSN. WP should account for about 15% to 20% percent of the global smartphone market by 2016, with the majority of WP sales being made by Nokia...
Not bad at all. Go, Nokia Go!!!
75. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8922; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Those people who claim WP will have market share over 5% are spreading lies. WP7 came out about three years ago correct? Why does it have 3.7% market share? WP is losing tremendously to Android and iOS and that's not going to change.
P.S. It's evident you didn't read the article.
86. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
PapaSmurf, in case you failed to notice, Nokia produces smartphones that run on WP8 OS, which is completely different from WP7 (Windows Phone CE). The only liar here is you, and the stats that I have quoted are legit.
Nokia sold over 7 million Lumia devices last quarter, and will probably do about 9.5 to 10 million for Q3, and then 12-14 million for Q4 of 2013. You can rant all you want about past failures for Windows CE, but that was before Nokia had adopted WP OS as it's primary platform.
Face the truth buddy; Microsoft and Nokia cannot be shut out, and WP8.x will continue to gain traction.
88. sgodsell (Posts: 1440; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
When you look at their stats over the last 3 quarters since WP8 was introduced. The sales included both WP7 and 8. And anyone getting WP7 not knowing that they will not be able to upgrade to WP8.
89. sgodsell (Posts: 1440; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
If you look at their actual smartphone sales for italy in Q4 2012 and Q1 2013. Their top selling WP were WP7 units and not WP8. Just a matter of time when those who purchased WP7 can't be upgraded to WP8. Then we will see how many will stay with WP. Give it time.
42. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6740; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Apple started too slip in every country. Good news plus the Italian have good taste In phones.
83. akki20892 (Posts: 3655; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Giant has woke up from own home, and now waking up from neighborhoods.
3. timukh (Posts: 199; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
If nokia hadn't choose wp, then MS would had been doomed...
7. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8922; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Um, the main reason why they didn't op for a different OS (Android) was because Samsung literally dominates in terms of market share, profits, and handsets sold every quarter since late 2010. iOS is limited to only Apple (of course) so that's a no-go. If it wasn't for Nokia, WP wouldn't have made it this far. And besides, Nokia is getting paid heavily by Microsoft for choosing WP.
15. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
So in both ways Nokia and MS would've been doomed
30. papss (unregistered)
So what you both are saying is that it was a great business move for both? How dare they! M$ should have let apple die a long time ago too.. If it weren't for m$ money they would have died many years ago.
36. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2725; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Samsung was not "dominating" as you put it, at that point quite yet. I'm not saying it would have been the best move for them, but Nokia still had a good chance to do well in the Android market then because no OEM had such a commmanding lead yet.
47. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3562; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
That was the past.. Now, we're looking ahead to the future, and WP is moving forward, and is proving to be the third alternative.. Soon, WP will be setting it's sights on being the second alternative, and this is not wishful thinking... With WP market share only 10% less than iOS's you guys better forget about why Nokia didn't decide to go with Android.. Nokia is looking for a long term solution to getting back on top, and WP is exactly that... It's not all about just profiting right away.. Nokia would rather spend years differentiating itself, and WP is the best way to do that... While Nokia builds is new name in the smartphone industry the WP OS just keeps getting better, and better, and is already at a point where its more than enough smartphone for the average user... This combination is a killer plan, and if everyone would be patient y'all will slowly see the landscape change... At this point it's imminent, so it's time to accept that WP/Nokia are here to stay just as that...
60. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
And there's still no reason they can't do both WP and Android. Well, maybe one, MS signed an agreement with Nokia for them to only produce WP phones for a certain time period. Explains a lot why they dumped Symbian and Meego.
I see the day when they'll be financially secure and will be building Android handsets, it's just going to take a few more years.
79. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3562; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Forget it❕.. It's not happening❕.. Nokia believes in WP, and believes that Android is not good enough.. Android is not good enough for Nokia... Get over it❕
90. blazee (Posts: 318; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
And i belioeve you dont know what youre talking about. Nokia hasnt gone to android because ms has been paying nokia to be ms exclusive in billions
8. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
It's only a matter of time before Nokia absolutely destroy Samsung in the UK. In terms of value for money, the Lumia 620 & 520 are so far ahead of the android competion (in the low end sector), that it's no longer funny.
11. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
In your dream XD
26. haseebzahid (Posts: 1836; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
err... no we dont want a destroyed OEM :\
then it will be static one OEM show with nothing new for decades
atlest now everyone is doing hard to get their device compete with others both on price/design/OS .. etc
48. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3562; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
This is extremely possible.. These haters don't want to look at the reality of the situation, and one day they are going to realize that Millions of WP fans were right when we said that our platform is great, and that it has the potential to start to surpass others... Nothing is worse than some of these close minded thinking iDroid fans on here... Times change people.. Open your eyes❕
61. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Only if Samsung's design 3.0 phase is a disaster. Samsung has the production capability to pour out a massive amount of phones, I don't see them going anywhere soon.
The reality is Samsung and Nokia will both be strong players in the next decade to come.
65. sgodsell (Posts: 1440; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
What are you on. WP is a 3 year old platform now. Even with WP8 which is over 10 months old now. Only sold 19 million WP's and that includes both WP7/8 units. That same time period android almost sold 500 million phones. If you break it down out of that 19 million, only 1.6 million lumias sold for all of North America within that time period. Also the lumia 52X has 512mb, no front facing camera, no NFC, or camera flash. I think it was a ploy to sell more units, and get the numbers up. Also there is cheap dual and quad core android phones with 1gb of ram coming out for roughly the same money.
69. SingDaFire (Posts: 74; Member since: 21 Jun 2013)
The answer to that is - look at how many android OEMs were there when it was 3 years old And look at WP it just had 3 OEMs which Nokia was doing the 90% work to promote and sell the devices. So what you're saying doesn't make sense.
And 52*s had 512mb ram however it performed much better than those androids with 1gb or 2gb rams. Hope this made you understood ;)
84. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
it doesnt really matter how many oems you have, apple is one company selling one os and its pretty much out selling everyone..before anyone calls me an apple fanboy or something please read my other comments and you will see i am no fan of any company, i just pick the device that suits my needs which has currently been the s series as it gives me everything from good camera,removable storage,good battery to a customisable os like android. i use to be a huge nokia fan, pretty much had mostly nokia symbian phone before 2010 but symbian got quite slow by then so gave ios a go with the iphone 4, enjoyed it for a bit but started to miss things like sd cards,bluetooth file sharing, mass storage mode from my symbian days, saw android grow but never thought it was usable until the galaxy s2 came out and i never left android since then, it gave me the customisability of symbian i liked and much more and was hell of alot faster. i have no issues with wp but it just isnt for me, am no power user but i just like customisability and dont like being restricted with what i can do. imo wp is very similar to ios but obviously with a different ui but they a both similar in what can and cannot be done and with those 2 os theres always limitation where as on android there really isnt. ive never had a wp but have played round with it in stores plenty of times andf its very smooth indeed but its just never made me want it and ive personally think the os is just very bland looking. i hope it does well because do we really want to just have 2 os thriving, the more competition we have the more progress we will see. atm nokia seems to be doing well in the low end but they need to start doing just aswell on the high end as thats where the profit margins are high, on the low end theres barley any. we will know come next year how wp is fairing but those who think that wp will have like 20% in 2015 imo are being unrealistic.
9. SonyPS4 (Posts: 261; Member since: 21 May 2013)
King is back. Hopefully other manufacturer like Sony, HTC and Motorola will follow. More competition better than Samsung/Apple duopoly.
24. Cod3rror (Posts: 63; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)
Yea, king is back only to find out that it's the 21st century and he can't swing his sword anymore to claim his kingdom.
12. celticrain (Posts: 7; Member since: 25 Aug 2013)
Well well ....planning for upgrade my note 2 with nokia upcoming phone tablet...if note 3 ll not 6 inch then Samsung gonna lose most of existing users like me ....(we spent a lot money for at least some unique sense not for that all same bloody looks...
63. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
So, why would you need a small, tiny tablet to hold on to your ear?
17. scumbledEGG (unregistered)
update about lumia 625
68. celticrain (Posts: 7; Member since: 25 Aug 2013)
Dude i v secondary one for my needs nokia e6. note like device is for lil family conversation and pure fun even some business need it's not for the purpose of hold altime on ear...my point if i want to upgrade it so why not something more unique and powerful as well.
21. timezone (Posts: 83; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
It can also be said if Samsung didn't sell Android then Google would be doomed. Nokia is a trusted partner where Google fears Samsung will redefine Android and push Google out of the picture. Just like Amazon removed anything Google and is just offering Android with a wrapper around it. No revenue for Google.
Nokia is the star and nothing wrong to say Nokia is integral to the ecosystem. It doesn't mean the windows phone is not a great OS. Nokia and Microsoft are a winning combination. Samsung and Google spells trouble down the road.
23. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Another jealous user talking nonsense.
Really... Wining combination? O wow with 3.7 market share in 2 years! Wp7 was fragmentation! It is not a great OS! 80% Nokia users have migrated to Android aka Symbian open source, not prison source like wanabe iOS. Only hardcore users are pushing NokiaWp8 along with third world countries who are destitute and buy cheap, budget s©rap devices.
31. papss (unregistered)
Exiting soon are we? Bye bye
71. tucutucu (Posts: 48; Member since: 03 Aug 2013)
damn u really sounds like a scared sammy fan...grow up!!!
73. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Android is too slow and insecure to continue ruling the smartphone world. It's an outdated and compromised OS that is an ideal choice for hackers because it lacks proper security protocols, and was built with back-door master keys that essentially allow for eavesdropping by government, or other groups. It's main selling feature is that it's cheap, because Google doesn't charge licensing fees, but then you get what you pay for. Due to lack of security, Android devices are completely unsuitable for the business world, which is where WP will make much of it's gains...
74. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Yet another outdated rant about Donut... Same old argument every time you post. Get some new material, please!
76. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8922; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Hey Einstein, your government can eavesdrop any phone that anyone uses. It's not just limited to Android, it's all OS's.
Android is too slow... Are you trying to troll? 1,000,000+ activations a day is slow lol okay.
66. sgodsell (Posts: 1440; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Granted Samsung is the biggest smartphone player in the market. Also did you know that Samsung sells 40% of all android smart phones. So the other 60% of android phones would mean nothing in your books. BTW to put it into perspective that means 106 million android phones from all other vendors excluding Samsung, and that was the last quarter alone. So what's that about android being doomed? More like WP is more in that position.