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HTC sues Apple over patent infringement
It seems to be getting way out of hand now with all of the back and forth lawsuits being filed between cell phone manufacturers, as this time HTC is going after Apple claiming they infringed on 3 of their patents.

HTC just filed the lawsuit with the U.S. District Court of Delaware. We aren’t sure what the 3 patents that Apple is being accused of infringing upon are, but we know that they have to do with the iPhone, the iPad and Mac computers. According to Reuters, HTC is even seeking triple damages for what HTC is calling willful infringement. HTC is also said to be seeking compensatory damages.

It was just last month that Apple won their latest case against HTC when the Taiwanese based manufacturer was found guilty of infringing upon 2 of their patents; a verdict that HTC has already said will be appealed.

While these lawsuits may be getting out of hand, this is what happens with big time companies who are in a fight for global supremacy. This most certainly will not be the last time that a lawsuit is filed between the two giants. Tell us what you think in the comments below.

source: Reuters  

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posted on 16 Aug 2011, 09:27 10

1. Deluxe (unregistered)


I almost wouldn't have a problem if htc won simply over how apple has been over patents lol.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 09:34

2. Moo (unregistered)


Eats sweet and salty popcorn and paces himself

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 09:35 5

3. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


I’m so sick of everyone bashing Apple for simply protecting their intellectual properties. All companies have rights! This is why lawsuits go to court. The courts decide who is right in these cases.

If Apple or HTC doesn’t have a case then they will loss in the courts thereby wasting their time and money.

I agree that all the back and forth lawsuits are getting out of hand. With that said, companies need to spend more time performing the necessary research before product development. Its the basic idea behind the product development life cycle.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 09:49 18

4. Deluxe (unregistered)


I agree companies should protect what they have made, but apple appears to be trying with all their might to beat the competition with court cases...not a better product.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 09:54 5

5. breathlesstao (Posts: 71; Member since: 16 Apr 2010)


Their intellectual properties? I don't wholly see that valid - just because you're the first to run to patent offices (many times with ridiculously vague-arse claims), you're not necessarily the one who invented something.

No, this is more like what happens when offices grant the vaguest patents to monsters like crapple.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 09:56 10

6. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Did Apple have the right to tamper with evidence and effectively commit perjury in order to "defend their IP?"

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:02 4

8. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


@Sniggy.... Whats happening bro! In regards to your comment I really feel like Apple crossed the line if they falsified the document. They need to be brought to justice!

@breathlesstao, Again... I stand by my comment in regards to letting the courts decide. If they have no leg to stand on then they will loss in court. Thats what the court is there for.

@Deluxe, Yes, Apple seems to be sue happy lately. It is a bit annoying. But your comment is a contradiction. Apple has the right to protect their properties but they have to be selective?

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 11:10 6

21. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apples-German-court-filings-made-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-10.1-look-more-identical-to-the-iPad-2-than-it-is_id21244

Apple's German court filings made the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 look more identical to the iPad 2 than it is

read this and you will understand....
all my respect to apple has vanished

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 11:17

22. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


Dude... your like the 5th person to post on this. I agree and think if Apple knowingly did this they deserve to loss customers and have legal action be brought upon them

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:13 1

46. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Hey Dave! Not much, just at work, with sporadic periods of nothing to do! :) I'm happy to see that you acknowledge when Apple does something wrong, even when you use their products. You're one of my favorites here.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:04

9. theduder (unregistered)


"If Apple or HTC doesn’t have a case then they will lose in the courts thereby wasting their time and money."

And just what do you think happens when they lose a case? How do you think they pay for that? It comes out of your wallet, you the consumer. Let's not forget wasted tax dollars on those judges that must preside over the case. Many of these lawsuits are valid, but many are also frivolous which waste a lot of peoples time and resources.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:33

15. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


Only Partially true,

This isn’t a government issue so the tax payer doesn’t pay a dime. Where we pay is in the product cost. Costs can go up to cover a company’s legality.

In addition, this is why cases get evaluated before they go into any kind of trial. So there are no frivolous lawsuits.

Are you saying that a company shouldn't protect their intellectual properties?

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 11:28

24. theduder (unregistered)


"Are you saying that a company shouldn't protect their intellectual properties?"

Where did I say that? I do not see that in my comment.

"Many of these lawsuits are valid, but many are also frivolous which waste a lot of peoples time and resources."

"This isn’t a government issue so the tax payer doesn’t pay a dime. Where we pay is in the product cost. Costs can go up to cover a company’s legality."

I don't think you understand the system very well. How do you think company A issues a lawsuit against company B? It is through the court system. The courts are paid for by tax dollars plain and simple. There is nothing to even argue about here.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 12:11

29. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


I didnt say you said anything... I was asking you a question.

I am not entirely knoweldgable with how the leagal system is funded. If I am wrong then I stand corrected.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 14:55

45. confused (unregistered)


I think that companies should be able to protect their intellectual property from theft.

IMO making a similar looking product with the similar features is not theft. Reverse engineering is not theft. What Apple is doing is trying to stifle competition.

Truthfully lawsuits such as these should be viewed as anti-competitive behavior and cause for sanctions from the government.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 11:02

20. xenover (Posts: 171; Member since: 27 May 2011)


That's what Jon R. said in the Ask The Buffalo.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:49

53. E.J.Su (Posts: 25; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


A lot of times, law suits aren't just about protecting IP's, but really just strategies to slow down competitors. Sometimes, he who has bigger pocket, wins sometimes.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 16:10 1

54. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


This man speaks the truth. Perhaps if Android would stop trying to "copy" Apple and be innovative, we wouldn't have all these patent lawsuits. HTC just wants a piece of the Apple Pie because they know the Android desserts is filled with bugs lol.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 09:57 3

7. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Eat this Apple! Eat it!! Eat it!!!!!

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:08 3

12. MATOZ (Posts: 71; Member since: 10 Aug 2011)


Your're right, HTC bit the Apple!!!

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 16:12 1

55. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


LOL, Apple has enough money to "bankrupt" HTC out of business. Apple could buy HTC and kill HTC phones. Apple has enough money to do as they please, so I think you just ate your own words.

posted on 17 Aug 2011, 03:34 1

73. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Good night, go and take yourself a nap and stop posting nonsense.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:05 4

10. Dujai R. (Posts: 17; Member since: 12 Oct 2009)


Fresh off the google- moto deal to protect the android ecosystem
HTC changes from "Just play fair" to growing a pair of balls to go at apple.. Funny ain't

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:07 4

11. keen observer (unregistered)


"Back and forth lawsuits"? I think it's mainly forth

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:14 5

13. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


@davecann2. I think we all know Apple wasn't simply protecting it's IP's here. They were trying to bring down Android by attacking the OEM's instead of Google themselves. Now the OEM's are fighting back and it's starting to look like Apple may have falsified evidence to ban Android products too. That doesn't sound like a company that just wanted to protect itself.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:37

17. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


Yes, I agree... If Apple knowingly falsified document in the legal system they should absolutely be held accountable. Your comments are definitely valid and respected but mostly opinionated. I see your point and practically agree with it. But where Apple has my vote is that they proving themselves in the court system with the exception of the Samsung lawsuit.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:23

14. Moo (unregistered)


Apple falsify?

They are infallible.

And never stole a freight train.

When they poo roses come out.

ipoo

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:35 5

16. Carolvs (unregistered)


For all of You defending Apple:

Let's think of this scenario. Say I own a company, named "Bananas Life Systems" and I patent "a method for interaction of human lungs with air" being as broad as Apple's patents... My rebreathers don't get sold as much as I want to so I sue not only the other rebreather makers, but eventually everyone who breathes because they are "infringing" my patent... Is all this logical to you or do you find it unethical as I do?

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:40 1

18. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


Your argument is lame.

I bet you even dis the iPhone 4 for not having 4g.
Knowing that the iphone 4 is over a year old and carriers didnt even have 4g over a year ago. Not to mention that only the past several months has 4g phones started to arrive. Sorry = Fail

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 12:17

30. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)


Sprint had it for awhile before that.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 12:26

31. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


@Uzzelien,

Ouch... Your are right. Looks like Sprint Announced 4G back in 2009. I guess the iphone4 could have capitalized on the technology since it was, in fact, available.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 12:54

33. ilia1986 (unregistered)


davecann2, you fail to see that Carolvs brings a very valid point. That's exactly what Apple did. Because of a huge problem in the EU patent system - they just patented a sketch of a flat board with a screen on it.. in 2004. long before anything like that. Tablets in such shape as this sketch - existed even before 2004 - but only now did Apple choose to sue. Why? Because they didn't want to play fair with Samsung. So is it legit? Yes. Is it okay and acceptable? Hell no.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 13:01

36. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


No...Carolvs comment doesnt make sense because he is talking about sueing others for using an idea of a machine and not the physical qualities of that idea.

That like me saying I have an idea and its time travel... Anyone from this point on who invents a time travel machine I will sue! Oviously I am being extream. Just trying to get my opinion out.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 13:21

37. ilia1986 (unregistered)


But thats exactly what happened! Apple sued because they had an idea. An idea of something which is rectangular in shape, thin, and has a screen on it. It wasn't even an actual product they put there!

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:14

47. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


No apple put out a product which was then copied by Samsung. How many android tablets were out before the iPad? ZERO

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:18 3

49. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


How many Microsoft tablets where before iPad ?
MANY !

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 19:26 1

65. AppleFUD (unregistered)


@taco50
How many iPads were out before Windows Tablets? ZERO!

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 10:43 3

19. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


did any body ready this yesterdayhttp://www.androidcentral.com/did-apple-tamper-evidence-german-apple-v-samsung-case ..and you wonder why ppl hate apple so much.they lied in court

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 11:20

23. Le0 (unregistered)


go go HTC juice that fruit. if they team up with Samsung, Motorola and LG they all could made nice apple tart, only hope they would share it with as.:D

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 11:33 1

25. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


wow when the Article speak bad about Apple , the trolls unite and cheer , but when Pa reports record breaking number for Apple in sales, you guys dispute the article and some even gets out the calculator to do your own numbers. .. and then some of you wonder why I left Moto to jump Apple team.. Samsung is a copycat and Apple will beat them at their own game.. the iphone5 and the SGII wil go toe to toe, and Apple will crush them is sales, and THC . hmmmm their EVO brand is in decadence, the 3D is just a matter of tiem before we call it a bust.... eat that HTC

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 11:56 2

27. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Okay. Good job sticking up for Apple after they effectively committed perjury.

Apple needs to overhaul its moral compass or BURN.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 12:34

32. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


I see you point, but u guys say that Apple is scare of the competiton, but you just stated that Apple should burn... without Apple there is no innovation, android will actually have no competitiion to push their products out or rush them out however you prefer... if Apple commited perjury .. Samsung copied a product from a client, and people still stick up for Samsung... same thing... in my mind Sniggly

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 13:56

40. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Android could still innovate without Apple, Gallito. And they do in spite of Apple. Apple wants to be the only game in town, and when's the last time they were truly innovative with any of their products? Their products are pretty and slim, and that's about it.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 14:23

41. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


pretty and slim.. nothing wrong with that.. that how I like women as a matter of fact..lol .. let me give you an example on why Android needs a bite of appple.. ICS is being rushed to compete with the iphone 5.. if Apple didnt exist.. ICS will be due around 2012.. preventing Android users of their dessert, second, The Xoom, rush out to compete with the ipad2. if Apple didnt exist... well you know where i am going here with this, bottom line Android needs Apple, U need Apple or dual core phone will be a myth and nokia will have still rule the world. cell phone world that is

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:40

51. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


So... you're saying that pressure from Apple is responsible for Honeycomb and ICS being rushed?

I think that was the sound of your argument shooting itself in the foot with a goddamn Electrodriver. (google image that one)

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 16:53

57. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


well expalin to me the half baked Xoom was explain in the article that it was rushed to complete with the ipad 2,. is been documented, but i dont see how i shot myself in the foot, ICS was scheduled for November but will be pushed to compete with Iphone 5 is well documented, even the SGII are willing to compete with the iphone5, the world of Android revolves around what Apple does, Google even bought Moto to protect against Apple, again is in ther article

"Our acquisition of Motorola will increase competition by strengthening Google’s patent portfolio, which will enable us to better protect Android from anti-competitive threats from Microsoft, Apple and other companies."

Sniggly I google the goddamn Electrodriver and a picture of a scooter appear, lol now I am curious to see what is it....

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 17:02

58. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


First, an electrodriver:

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3661/555913-shot0015_super.jpg

Second, your original argument was that Apple is good because it helps the competition. However, rushing Honeycomb and the Xoom screwed both up, and rushing ICS will only screw IT up, if it happens.

Therefore, pressure from Apple is NOT good if it forces the competition to try to put out products that aren't up to par just to say they're in the market too.

And with Apple trying so hard to knock the competition completely out of the market that they'll tamper with and submit false evidence to courts, I'd say they're not good for the competition at all. Apple started losing market share in the free market, so now they're using government muscle to try to get what they want.

How is that good for competition or innovation? I mean, if Apple is just going to sue you based on your product being similar to theirs while swiping everything that makes your product different and calling it their own innovation, why should anyone bother to compete with them?

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 17:29

60. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


first thank you for the electrodriver pic.. correct me if I am wrong. before the iphone, flip phones were poplular, Nokia was king Blackberries gave you status among professionals.... and phones were getting smaller, along comes the iphone with a touchscreen and fancy icons ( was not the 1st) and made a touchscreen popular, years later, the phone industry colapse, nokia is becoming copilots of the phone world, Blackberries are becoming exitints, and now phones are not smaller, but wider and bigger, thanks to Apple that set the trend of how a phone should be,..that made them popular (not invented) but popular, the LG Prada paved the way for the iphone, but Apple took it to another level that the Prada and it s award winning design would have never reached, Samsung being Apples main supplier decied to copy its design with a few tweaks and the Galaxys were born. you , me and most around here can diferenciate them, but most people out there, cannot, and thats whay the lawsuit, was born. because most people get confused were is a valid argument or not, we will see.. ..

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 21:14

70. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


I would give you pretty and slim... I will take, does my laundry, cleans my house and get me my beer.

posted on 17 Aug 2011, 03:41

74. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Without Nokia, Apple would not have invented the iPhone in the first place !
Apple can thank Annsi Vanjokki for coming up with the record breaking N95 (first phone wiht 5 MP camera, 3G+ plus many more new features).
I remember when the N95 came out, everybody owned one. If you saw a guy on the streets talking in a phone, it would be the N95.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 14:25

42. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Apple's actually very innovative. I hate the company and the douchebag who runs it, but if you look at SOME of the patents they hold/applied for...it's rather impressive.
For example...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/11/apple-seeks-patents-for-3d-and-physics-metaphor-gesture-contro/

http://blog.melvinpereira.com/2010/05/15/6-innovative-apple-patents-on-road-to-making-our-gadgets-wow/

Whether or not any of these will see the light of day is a different story, but you have to admit, some of this stuff is neat.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:19

50. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple created a whole new tablet market that wasn't there. Pretty innovative no? iPhone changed the entire smartphone industry.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:18

48. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Sniggly there has been no perjury proven at this point. Why are you so quick to believe negative about Apple and yet dispute everything positive? Why do you bust put a calculator and make your own numbers for Apple sales? Why weren't screaming at Mororola for suing Apple first? Or Nokia suing Apple?


Apple in your eyes can do no right. Remember you said iOS 5 was shameful and people in Apple stores were disgusting?

Your a self righteous douchebag.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 15:46 4

52. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


The perjury was proven by the pictures Apple submitted of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. You know, the image where the Samsung logo was erased, the tab put in portrait mode and on the app drawer screen (which is not the homescreen) and the whole tablet stretched out to roughly match the iPad's aspect ratio?

I said that the amount of borrowing in iOS 5 was shameful, in light of the lawsuits Apple has against everyone for their supposed copying.

I said that it was disgusting seeing people rushing to Apple stores and buying their products without doing an ounce of comparison shopping.

I gave my reasons for not being upset about the lawsuits against Apple, namely that they're seeking to put everyone else out of the market without even paying an ounce of royalties for their own infringements and use of others' technology and innovations.

But of course, taco, you refuse to understand. You're an elitist asshole who can't admit when you're wrong. You're happiest when Android users are outraged and most upset when it's a good day for Android. You're probably also the jerk behind snaggly.

And yet you dare to lecture me? No way, dude.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 16:29 1

56. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


well said..could not agree with u more

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 18:26

61. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


The logo is not on all Samsung tablets sold so they could have just used a picture from say the US. the difference in aspect ratio is minute from what I have read. However if the evidence is purposely doctored Apple is in the wrong. I admit that and I'm sure they'll be punished by the courts. You have however already convicted them in your mind.

Mororola sued Apple first and so have lots of others. You still can't provide a valid reason why you're ok with Apple being sued, but flip out whenever Apple does the same.

There's people who love Apple products just like there's ford car fans, Samsung tv fans etc. It's only disgusting to you when it's Apple.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 18:54

62. Sniggly (Posts: 6819; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I've already explained my reasons to you a dozen times, taco. If you didn't listen the first dozen, you won't listen the thirteenth time. I wash my hands of you. You're not worthy of my time anymore.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 13:00

35. waveydavey (unregistered)


Dude, this is a personal attack but seriously: to lend credibility to your argument, I would suggest first writing it in a program with some sort of grammar/spellcheck function. Your confidence is funny, and your English is funnier.

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 13:48 1

39. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


dont worry how i write.. I manage to get the message accross. which is the important thing... and since that s all you had to say.... my confidence is funny but at least i was not too lazy to register... and last but not least,,,, waveydavey.. not a typo that is your PA name.... dont take it personal.. chill live life... is only a phone dude..

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 19:08

64. waveydavey (unregistered)


Thank you for your inspiring words of wisdom.

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