Fingerprint sensor dropped from Note 3 in the last minute, Samsung biometrics still in play for year-end
1. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2516; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
They did good by dropping fingerprint scanner in the last minute. Half baked things are not good.
39. KRONeage (Posts: 52; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
Absolutely..... since Apple had bought Authentec out from under the entire biometrics in portable devices market in April of 2012. After Samsung had already been using fingerprint sensors in devices from Door Locks (w/ touch sensor) and notebooks going back to 2001. They had also been using Authentec sensors since 2004.
There proof in the firmware of Galaxy S3, since they'd filed for a patent on using an Authentec sensor in the Home Button of GS3 in November 2011. But Motorola was the first Android and first smartphone with the an Authentec sensor on Moto Atrix in 2010. Google naturally had to move fast to integrate Authentec's SDK into Android. So when Samsung was going to use Authentec and Apple them out and KILLED support for their former customers, naturally Samsung had no way of quickly substituting another brand of sensor w/o the SDK already in Android.
At CES last year Validity (another of the more than a dozen sensor makers) demoed their sensor in a Samsung phone. But still their SDK had not been fully integrated and due to complications in IC chips Yields of any real quantity failed to launch in Galaxy S4 as well.
Meanwhile Synaptic who had been using Authentec sensors bought Validity out and again SDK was still not integrated into Android fully. So Galaxy Note 3 w/sensor was canceled too. But Samsung also had some major breakthroughs in camera sensors in ISOCELL, that could double as an Iris scanner. So yeah..... a really good reason to be glad Apple bought Authentec (as was Motorola laughing about Apple getting majorly SPOOFED (which is far worse than just hacked, you can fix a hack, hardware you can't). Apparently Apple's Applewellain Thought Police are could at FUD'ing that debacle right out of their ignorant customer's mind!
But it hasn't gone away and for this generation of iPhone 5s, they can all get spoofed to Oblivion. Don't try to tall an Applewellian Prole that though. They still think Apple invented the Universe and Samsung Galaxies!
Samsung though is an old Pro in Biometric and in all reality there is no difference between a fingerprint sensor in a phone and one in a notebook, other than the operating system! ;-P .....which they've had sensors in at least 30 devices since 2001!
2. N5110 (Posts: 13; Member since: 26 Apr 2013)
Ain't samsung tired of copy paste? No respect for company like has nothing good at by just replicating others ideas.
4. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7724; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Please explain LG's and Apple's tactics then.
5. Kurai (unregistered)
motorola was the first to implement biometrics on a smartphone namely the MOTOROLA ATRIX . . . oh god remove these hollow-brained humans
17. bucky (Posts: 1343; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
There is a reason why nobody really remembers it. Also, there is a sudden flood of devices supposedly implementing it. Why do you think?
23. vananucho (Posts: 46; Member since: 01 Jun 2011)
Hint: company with a fruit name did, now everybody wants to...
The Atrix at it's launch had a great potential on paper, if it would received updates in the proper times and screen/finger sensor flaws corrected before it's launch, we could be talking about a different story right now...
28. McLTE (Posts: 644; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
How do you know that other companies than your beloved, hinted at Apple didn't design finger print scanners into their phones.. but Apple just beat them to the punch?
We have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Just because a product arrives to market first, does NOT mean that that company was first to work on it.
For all you know, Apple was the last to work on the fingerprint tech.. but got luck to be first to market the latest iteration.
29. JC557 (Posts: 982; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
So far it seems because Apple is doing it that it brings much interest.
The problem is that Motorola and Lenovo have been doing this for a while now. And if by devices you also include laptops then you are clueless. Thinkpads are popular in the corporate world and the fingerprint scanner is far from a gimmick.
37. joey_sfb (Posts: 2757; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Atrix has finger print sensor in smartphone in 2010, Apple has finger printer sensor in smartphone 2013 and yet Apple fans claim that everyone copied from Apple.
Great fanboy logic!
Am i right to say that your whole world whatever Apple sell will be first and original!? The rest just suck!!
21. dratomic (Posts: 458; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
ok guy you serouisly need to stop sayin this. atrix WAS NOT the first one. I remember Toshiba g900 or something a windows mobile phone from 2007 (not sure) having this feature and I doubt it was the first phone to have it. I was so tired of listening to this false rumor that I was forced to open an account just to inform you!
38. joey_sfb (Posts: 2757; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Thank you, dratomic for the effort! I am sure most brain dead Apple fans would love to hear a second opinion :)
22. JunitoNH (Posts: 865; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
Samdung has no shame. Now they are even copyng the commercials***, shame. Remember when Apple did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
***they are using a watch, gear
25. fay99 (Posts: 48; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Go check out all those fujitsu phones from many years ago. Fingerprint scanner has already been very common in Japan in a while. Don't be so ignorant. Check out all other phones not available in your country as well. Never think any new thing on the iPhone== new thing in the world. Someone below also mentioned Motorola already had one two years ago. This is not even something new in north America anyway.
3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7724; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Samsung, don't add anything else. My Note 3 is already perfect.
7. darkkjedii (Posts: 10536; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Dude welcome back bro. Now stay unlimited lol. How you liking the note 3?
9. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7724; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Note 3 basically sold out at every T-Mo store. I got the 32GB Black one, and never been this happy. Best decision I've made all year as this phone still blows me away with everything.
Ha! Don't get me started on that topic, especially when others should have too.http://tinypic.com/r/ojlgdv/5http://tinypic.com/r/2hyzazs/5
14. darkkjedii (Posts: 10536; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Lol right! Hope you enjoy it. How's the battery life been? For me the big surprise with the 5S is just how long the battery life is now. My 5 was tapped after about 10 hrs, my 5S still has about 30% left after like 13 hrs. My active day is 5am to 8pm so technically I can't kill it, before I'm out lol.
19. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7724; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Two days on a single charge and I'm finally on 16%. This thing simply doesn't die.
15. darkkjedii (Posts: 10536; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Smurf I clicked your links dude, naughty boy lol. That'll get you limited every time bro. At least you didn't get permanently banned like Troll.
18. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7724; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I couldn't get permanently banned. It was the very first time I got limited (which I shouldn't have in the first place) over BS that I called out on PA. Nice to know I have no freedom of speech here.
27. darkkjedii (Posts: 10536; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
I feel you bro, but hey it's PA's site ya know. I've been limited when I though I shouldn't be. It's all good though. Welcome back.
24. jacko1977 (Posts: 388; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
what ur only saying the truth i knew they do that when people bag ijunk
iphonearena i will forever call this site
6. darkkjedii (Posts: 10536; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
And people actually said this was an apple gimmick, that would fail. I think it's gonna take off in a huge way. Apple and Samsung are the big dawgs, once Sammy hops on board along with apple, man watch out. Looking forward to the future of this feature, I use it about 99% of the time now.
10. vincelongman (Posts: 1050; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
I think the fingerprint reader was the best new feature in the 5S.
I'd like fingerprint readers in more phones, because its faster, easier and more convenient compare to pins or patterns.
11. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7724; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I'm not trolling or anything, but from 5/6 of my friends who pulled the trigger to upgrade said Touch ID took too long to read their prints that it's faster for them to just type in a pin number.
16. darkkjedii (Posts: 10536; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Agreed Vince @Smurf it actually the opposite for me. It does take some getting used to though. Maybe they should erase those prints, and re enter them with more movement. It recognizes better that way.
33. vincelongman (Posts: 1050; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Yea, from what I've seen its pretty much a split second, it looks even faster than swipe to unlock
12. androiphone20 (Posts: 1400; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
this technology is soo fast and hassle free
13. androiphone20 (Posts: 1400; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
this technology is soo fast and hassle free
30. LikeMyself (Posts: 238; Member since: 23 Sep 2013)
I hope Apple smash them in court for this.Not a fan of the fruit, but what's the need to be ridicule, copy and add this gimmick to a smartphone apart from sending your personal fingerprint data to companies.This applies to Apple as well.Will never give you my fingerprint, Idiots!!!
31. frrboom (Posts: 9; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. The patents regardning fingerprint scanners belongs to two companys, one is Authentec, and Apple bought them. The other one is Fingerprint Cards who is working with Crucialtec, look at the Pantech sensor for example, its from fingerprint cards. Their pantents are really solid... The sensor that Samsung wanted to add to the Samsung device was from a company called Validity, a private company from U.S. I do imagine that Samsung dont want anything to do with them anymore so most likely will we see a sensor from fingerprint cards in the next Samsung device.. if they choose to have one. So there wont be any patent fight.
32. rabidhunter (Posts: 90; Member since: 05 Jul 2013)
No consumer mobile device should have biometric security, none. There are alternate methods out there such as NFC. I wish Apple had used NFC instead of fingerprint. Now we have to deal with the flood of devices with fingerprint scanners. Thanks a lot Apple.
34. frrboom (Posts: 9; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
NFC + Fingerprint sensor as payment option in stores? Its the future. In korea and Japan they are alreasy there.
35. Android4Ever (Posts: 86; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
Fingerprint scanners are a pretty good idea but the only downside is our prints will be transferred directly to NSA...
36. makio9 (Posts: 47; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
Wow that's huge news. I was expecting much more of a reaction. This was the Samsung device that was meant to have several revelations on-board for them. Lets see if it still has 4.4. Kit Kat?