Apple calms Touch ID privacy concerns again, says chicken wings and fingerprinting don't mix
posted by Daniel P. / Sep 12, 2013, 6:30 AM
We likely have Edward Snowden and overzealous NSA budget allocations to blame for the question on everyone's minds the second they heard fingerprint scanner, or for the usually silent Apple's lengthy explanation on the matter.
phone itself, and never reach Apple's servers or iCloud in any way. Moreover, for now this new and effortless method of biometric authentication is indeed off-limits for all 3rd party developers, even the grand names.Apple reconfirmed for the WSJ that your fingerprint scans get stored in the processor, sandboxed in the
In addition, you have to build one more security layer to complement the fingerprint identification method - a good old password will be asked of you if the phone is rebooted, or hasn't been unlocked for two days, in order to stall any time-sensitive tactics by a thief or a hacker. Your finger won't work then, only after the password has been entered you will be able to press your thumb against the home key and unlock the iPhone 5s.
The fingerprint unlock won't work properly also if you have your fingers sweaty, greasy, or have scars and cuts, added Apple, based on numerous testing scenarios it did with the Touch ID scanner, so just use a dry digit with uninterrupted fingerprint. Since the print is encrypted on the phone itself, the NSA also can't send one of those sneaky letters to Apple requesting his or hers fingerprints either, it seems, which is a relief this day and age.
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"Since the print is encrypted on the phone itself, the NSA also can't sent one of those sneaky letters to Apple requesting his or hers fingerprints either..." Don't trust.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 6:36 AM 24
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Yeah right. I'll believe this as much as I believed the goverment wasnt spying on our social media and cell phone accounts.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 6:46 AM 9
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Well remember that we allowed the government to pass the Patriot Act among other laws that made it legal for them to spy. If you only found this out because of Eric Snowden, then you really need to pay more attention to your politics.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 6:56 AM 10
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Amen to that. Simple truth is the NSA doesn't need your fingerprints, they already have files on all their citizens that contain far more information than if you have an arch, swirl or loop print pattern on your thumb.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 7:26 AM 3
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They explained this already, the fingerprints are stored n your phone, not on their servers, and the information is encrypted, noone has access to the fingerprints but you, anyhow it doesnt matter still waiting for the xperia Z1, but no release date yet negrielectronics mentioned sept 20 but at a really high price, even for an unlocked device.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 11:44 AM 1
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Not only that; since the print read on the iphone uses skin resistance, they could probably use it in a similar fashion to a lie detector machine. Over time and usage they could build a profile based on skin resistance that could reveal what your emotional state is at the time you unlock your phone, based on the skin resistance data, and the tone of the communication you have afterwards. Google this: "Personal Digital Privacy and Wireless Network Devices in a Vehicle" this company ahh.biz posted a public service announcement about this stuff, there is some pretty good tips here about minimizing your exposure to NSA surveillance by choosing devices that are designed properly from a privacy standpoint.
posted on Sep 28, 2013, 2:12 PM 0
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Why because its apple, and not google? Can you please elaborate as to why you don't trust it.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 7:14 AM 3
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Here is something to consider: Since Apple has sandboxed the fingerprint scanner, there is no way to truly (aka objectively) know what is happening with your fingerprint scans. Apple says the fingerprint scans are only stored locally on the device. And since device data is encrypted on the device at AES256-level security, everything should be secure, right? The only problem I have with that concept is the fact that NSA has bent the process of standard-setting to enable it to be able to crack encryption that conforms to the latest standards. For example, the AES256 standard is not the hardest to crack. There was another finalist that was not selected because it was allegedly more secure than AES256.... The only way to separate fact from fairy tale, is to be a cryptanalyst, and those folks are by-and-large working for NSA. Fox guarding the henhouse, and what not. Better to just have no expectation of security/privacy. Then you won't be disappointed.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 9:59 AM 3
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When moto atrix had a finger print scanner not a huge deal was made because it was pre NSA and prism stuff but since then anything to do with security will now get big eyeballs as the NSA stuff has brought security to the fore front for a lot of non techies too which is why I think a lot of phones will have it soon and not because apple have it. The one Max is pretty much guaranteed and note 3 from earlier leaks had it in the pipeline but decided against it, my guess they going to leave that for the s5 as a USP. Am all for finger print but I want it to work 99% of the time. Apple seem to have done well but looks like people who use lotions and body oil etc might have issues. Hopefully you don't need totally dry skin.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 6:04 PM 0
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Allow me to quote David Pogue of NY Times here: "Furthermore, if you’re convinced that Apple is lying and the world is out to get you, why aren’t you equally worried about using a login password? How do you know Apple’s not transmitting that to the N.S.A., too? If that’s your worry, I submit that you have much greater worries. You must also worry that Verizon is listening in to your phone calls, Visa is laughing its head off at your purchases, and Garmin is tracking your road trips on a map somewhere."
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 7:43 AM 1
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A login password is not traced back to me. Passwords can change, fingerprints can't. If David can't see the difference there, he's quite sortsighted. And yes I do worry sometimes what all those companies ergo NSA knows about people.
posted on Sep 12, 2013, 10:57 AM 0
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