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European iPhone and iPad sales threatened as Motorola wins in German court

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European iPhone and iPad sales threatened as Motorola wins in German court
If you think there’s a legal battle going on in the industry involving Apple, you’re only partly right. Actually, it seems more like a war - Apple is fighting on all fronts against some of the biggest phone makers. And it’s doing pretty well in both its offense and defense, but here’s one little crack that threatens to grow even bigger - Motorola has plenty of patents and its lawsuit against Apple is moving forward in Germany.

The local Mannheim Regional Court ruled that Cupertino has indeed infringed on a Motorola patent regarding "a method for performing a countdown function during a mobile-originated transfer for a packet radio system." This could translate on a ban on iPhone and iPad sales not only in Germany, but across Europe.

The situation is not that grave for Apple, though - the ruling is preliminary and it could only apply to the company’s Irish subsidiary.

The products that are affected by the injunction include iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPad, iPad 2, and the iPhone 4S is also possibly a fitting candidate. To further appeal, Apple needs to remove that functionality from their handsets.

source: FOSS Patents via BGR

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posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:17 18

1. Fayeznoor (Posts: 65; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)


Apple getting taste of what they started

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 17:31

35. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


actually microsoft started it if u wanna be technical... but its totally fine for moto to ban apple products and limit innovation but its not okay for apple to ban a few out of the countless android phones?

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 18:03 3

36. Forsaken77 (Posts: 542; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)


Actually no... apple started the ridiculous lawsuits all across the globe to get Samsung products banned from being sold. Microsoft just wanted a little compensation for someone using their ideas. And I agree with remixfa 100% in that NONE of the Android manufacturers, including Motorola, would've sued Apple at all, had Apple not started this bs. Motorola is giving back to Apple what they're putting Samsung through. Apple is trying to shake the foundation of the entire Android eco-system. Well Google is the father of Android and now owns Motorola, which is the FOUNDER of the cell phone and has more than enough patents to make Apples' life miserable in court for years to come. The Android manufacturers are banning together against Apple. As far as innovation goes... Apple has none. I'll give them the original iPhone (a phone slapped into an iPod), but since then they have been stagnant and are trying to cripple their main competition that's ripping sales away from them every day. Apple has to learn their lesson why starting all this bs was a really bad idea.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:20 7

2. Fayeznoor (Posts: 65; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)


this is how Apple want to destroy Android ?

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:23 2

3. pongkie (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


I've been in lawsuits but in the in the end lawyers win

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 09:42 1

11. jacko (unregistered)


try tell crapple that

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:23 11

4. theBankRobber (Posts: 642; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


Yes, if Apple can get away with what they are doing to Samsung and banning their products, i HOPE AND PREY Motorola gets Apples products banned to set an example.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:26 14

5. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you spend enough time throwing crap at people, eventually they will rise up and slap you back. you reap what you sow. I can bet money that NONE of the android manufacturers would have ever sued Apple, had apple not started to act like a jerk and try to be the play ground bully.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:12 1

14. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


Motorola sued Apple before any of Apple's lawsuits. Read up on it.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:19 2

16. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


They sued to collect royalties, not to ban products.

There's a difference, taco.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:32 1

19. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


"I can bet money that NONE of the android manufacturers would have ever sued Apple, had apple not started to act like a jerk and try to be the play ground bully."

This is a hyperbolic uneducated statement as Motorola sued first. I know you two are butt buddies, but why not call him out on his ignorance? This guy speaks out of his ass ALL the time.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:46 3

21. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


You are correct, if you take the statement at it's literal meaning then remixfa is wrong.

But considering that you've had several conversations with remixfa regarding this before, as well as other people... we all know that remix doesn't actually believe Apple was the first to sue other companies.

They were first to try and ban, and that's what I assumed he meant.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:51 1

22. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


as far as i know Apple sued HTC around march 2010 while Motorola sued around October 2010

check articles date here for apple VS HTC

http://gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents-the-complete-documents

and here for motorola apple
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20018791-37.html

so no Apple started suing HTC

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 12:33 1

25. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


I stand corrected on the htc suit. Here's a really good article as far as a timeline. My main point is that Apple isn't the only one suing. This is the status quo right now.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-43445979/verizon-iphone-motorola-sues-apple-its-the-smartphone-wars-conspiracy-edition/

So put on your tinfoil hats. Let's start with a recap of the smartphone patent wars:
In 2008, RIM (RIMM) sued Motorola for allegedly charging excessive royalties on patents.
In November 2009, Nokia (NOK) sued Apple for allegedly infringing on networking patents.
The next month, Apple sued Nokia for allegedly infringing on user interface patents.
In March of this year, Apple sued HTC (as Microsoft approvingly looked on) for allegedly infringing 20 different patents with both Android and Windows Mobile handsets.
Shortly after, HTC sued Apple for allegedly infringing on five patents.
In August, Oracle (ORCL) sued Google (GOOG) over alleged infringements on Java patents.
Microsoft brought a patent suit against Motorola a week ago.
Motorola sued Apple yesterday.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 15:42

30. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. As far as this CURRENT round of lawsuits, Apple has been the instigator.
They have been suing themselves over minor things for years, for a buck or 2 off each patent. This new round of "Bend or be Banned" lawsuits are from Apple's camp and apple's camp alone. Everything coming back towards them are counter-suits.

Now, come on taco.. say it with me..
"Remix was right, and I was wrong. I should have done research before spouting off and blind attacking him."

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 18:21

37. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


I was wrong about HTC being sued by Apple first. Read the timeline from the article. There was lawsuits before Apple started with any lawsuit. Motorola sued Apple first. You said NONE of the android manufacturers would have sued Apple which is incorrect. Motorola did. Nokia also sued Apple first.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 19:59

38. stealthd (Posts: 868; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Motorola only sued first because they already knew Apple was going to sue them.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 22:22

39. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


More likely they saw that Apple had been selling the iPhone for years by that point and, after repeatedly giving Motorola the finger over its own patents, they decided to sue the s**t out of HTC. So they're like "wait a minute here, Apple wants to sue everyone else for patent infringement but they won't pay a dime to them? Hell, we're taking them out!" And filed their own lawsuit.

Or you could be right. Which would look even worse for Apple, really. "We won't pay a dime for your patents that you worked for decades to obtain, but we'll sure as hell hit you for everything you've got!"

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:27 8

6. messiah (Posts: 433; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)


Apple started the mess, now it is coming around to bite them in the ass.

posted on 10 Dec 2011, 01:01

40. cheetah2k (Posts: 737; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Apple won the battle, but they won't win the war.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:36 8

7. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Oh my Apple, what have you started? I'm feeling a bit embarrassed to be part of Apple family right now#HidingMyiPhoneRightNow

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 09:19 2

10. McLTE (Posts: 620; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


SlimSoulja86...

This is what I believe will truly hurt Apple in the long run.

Right now they have a very dedicated following, but I believe it's base has always been people that were rooting for the underdog (Apple way back when) and Apple was a company that had a different image.. sort of do-gooders when everyone was hating on Microsoft.

Well now.. It's Apple that is starting to lose it's shine as a friendly company with the hipster following.

The public really has no clue right now how they are suing and fighting the competition in court instead of with innovation.. I think when the public slowly really GETS what is going on.. Apple will lose much of their following very quickly.

posted on 10 Dec 2011, 03:52

41. hepresearch (unregistered)


I think it is sad that Slim feels that he needs to hide his iPhone... he has not been disrespectful to the Android community like others here, who shall remain nameless.

You do not need to feel embarrassed on my account, Slim. Just because Apple is making some awful business strategy decisions does not mean that your iPhone is a second-class phone that you need to be ashamed of. It will do what it is designed to do, and do it quite well. Android phones and iPhones are designed to fill different needs and styles of use, along with a decent amount of common functionality that consumers have essentially agreed on as standard features. If your iPhone works for you, then it works for you. If it has not done well enough, then you have lots of other options to explore, as well.

Either way, best of luck to you. I have to say it is refreshing to read posts from an iPhone user who is neither arrogant nor stereotypical. +1 for honesty and humility...

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 09:16 3

8. s.mrabet (Posts: 117; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


Like Justin Timberlake said.... What goes around , goes around and comes all the way back around!!!

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 09:18 3

9. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


karma is a bitch!

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 09:42 2

12. jacko (unregistered)


can i upload a vid of me dancing to this :)

wait i can hear miz crying

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 10:04 2

13. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)


it looks like the tide is turning against apple recently...apple only got themselves to blame though, they started all the lawsuits and most importantly started with the banning crap so they deserve whatever happens to them...

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:15

15. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


The ignorance in this thread is shocking. Lawsuits have been around forever. It's not an Apple exclusive. Also in this particular case Motorola is the aggressor. Realistically all these companies are way to big to get banned. You guys are funny though. Banning is anti competitive unless Apple is getting banned lol

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:20

17. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


I'll just copy and paste from above:

"They sued to collect royalties, not to ban products.

There's a difference, taco."

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:29

18. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


Read above posters saying Apple deserves this because they sued first. That's simply not the case. Guess what everyone sues everyone. As far as banning that was Apple's strategy. They may win or lose but a lawsuit is still one.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:45

20. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


The only person that even hints that Apple was the first to SUE is remix, and yeah that is incorrect.

Most of the people are saying that Apple started this, which is true.

Apple may not have started the lawsuits but they certainly were the first who only wanted to ban the infringing products... if that's not anti-competitive I don't know what is.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 15:43

31. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


nope,
Remix was right. You should not doubt me iamcc :)

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 11:53 4

23. ElectroManiac (Posts: 47; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Can phonearena ban Taco's Ip so he stop making new accounts and the troll can be gone for ever?

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 15:44 3

32. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


@phonearena.
You know, you could make me a mod with banhammer powers. As often as I'm on the boards I could help keep em clean. I promise to be fair and only ban.. well.. taco's 300 alternate accounts he pops back up.

pawweeeeeeeeeeeze :) :) :)

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 13:29 2

26. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)


Apple did start pursing bans rather than royalties first. They are also the only company suing over rectangles and corners while companies like motorola are suing over GPRS technology.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 12:01

24. protozeloz (Posts: 5326; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I feel like facepalming anyone willing to make me some company?

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 14:03

27. Carlitos (Posts: 265; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


Motorola, is finally using the biggest weapon, Android has.

ALL THERE FREAKING PATENTS!! WHICH ARE ALLOT! And if google manages to buy Moto, which they say is mainly for there patents, Apple is going to get the full brunt, if they keep this ridiculous suing on.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 15:02

29. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


Umm this has nothing to do with android patents and android doesn't have many patents. These are Motorola patents.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 15:46

33. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Android does have some patents. Yes, motorola was bought mainly for its huge patent shield, which as I have been telling you for months now, will not only be a shield, but eventually a sword against Apple. And if this is any indication, the sword is likely to draw fruity-blood really soon.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 14:10

28. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1037; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)


No! This sucks. Apple products will never be as good with their method for performing a countdown function during a mobile-originated transfer for a packet radio system! Curses! Wait what?

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 15:47

34. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol.

i have no idea, honestly.. lol but that was funny :)

posted on 11 Dec 2011, 15:26

42. metoyou (Posts: 277; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


I just smiles ....damn i'm eviL hahaha

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