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Apple has a fight on its hands for the nano-SIM standard, tries to outmaneuver Nokia, Motorola and RIM

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Apple has a fight on its hands for the nano-SIM standard, tries to outmaneuver Nokia, Motorola and RIM
Nokia, Motorola and RIM are pretty much against the nano-SIM card concept, the way Apple has proposed it to Europe's standardization agency ETSI.

As the name suggests, it is a 2/3 smaller card than the micro-SIM version (as if we were not easily losing this one easy already), saving space for other stuff in smartphones' overcrowded innards.

The European telcos are all behind the proposal (much better than Apple embedding a programmable SIM in its phones and using them as dumb pipes only), and others will be able to license the standard from Cupertino.

The reason that the rest of the gang is complaining against Apple's way to standardize the nano-SIM is that it requires a tray to insert or take it out, much like on the current iPhones. Motorola, Nokia and RIM are afraid that this method will ultimately result in having to pay patent fees to Apple, and Nokia claims its solution is superior to Apple's. If you have to use a tray as big as a normal SIM card, we can see Nokia's point.

ETSI should be deciding on the new nano-SIM standard next week, so we will follow through to check who won the small card lottery. Nokia is currently the largest voting body within the group with 92 votes, but Apple has been frantically registering subsidiaries to become voting members. 

If the registration goes through today, Apple will have the largest number of votes, and Nokia already raised the red flag about this on Monday asking “whether it is right that one group of companies can obtain a high amount of votes by filing multiple membership applications”. 

source: FT via TheVerge

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posted on 21 Mar 2012, 05:21 17

1. Sniggly (Posts: 7119; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


If Apple wants this standard, they should forfeit patent rights to the required design. Otherwise, screw them and their continued attempts to hold the rest of the mobile manufacturers hostage.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 08:36 8

12. -box- (Posts: 3821; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Right. If other OEMs have to give up their tech as FRAND, apple should too

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 10:54 5

17. downphoenix (Posts: 2357; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


I agree. I am fine with Apple wanting this standard. However, the "more room for innards" argument is nullified by the standard sim-card sized tray, so we know its really to get some of that patent money.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 05:51 7

2. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Never thought Apple was greedy at this point

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 06:49 12

3. andro. (Posts: 1960; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Im sorry but all these recent articles of how apple has changed are being proven wrong,they are still greedy and rotten to the core it seems!

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 06:57 9

4. pongkie (Posts: 503; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


the government needs to break up apple like what they did to MS. next thing you know you will start eating iburgers and ifries

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 09:07

16. yt6nin (Posts: 100; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


how high is the SAR gonig to be? or will it be too high that Apple's gonna need to fabricate the number and make it seem acceptable??? Screw SIM cards... -_-

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 07:00 8

5. remixfa (Posts: 13938; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


wow.. apple buying and forcing subsidiaries to register to vote.. that sounds an aweful lot like CHEATING.

I agree with you sniggs.. if it goes through then they need to relinquish all rights to the patent. This is just their way of trying to patent troll the entire industry from the inside.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 07:05 1

6. ibap (Posts: 701; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


pongkie - are you being sued for infringement yet? (iburgers and ifries)

Bluesky02 - where have you been?

All of the companies jockey for this kind of stuff, but it is one thing to support a standard and another to use it to collect licensing fees.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 08:35 1

11. pongkie (Posts: 503; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


you'll never know. they even sued a coffee shop with an apple fruit logo which is ridiculous

yeah all the companies jockey all this kind of stuff that's why government regulators are there to step in and protect consumers. look what apple is doing to the online books.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 07:30

7. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)


Whats with the new standard. isn't that why everyone uses a standard sim? And here comes apple wanting to be a game change again. i can't imagine how big a pain in the ass it would be to have to change sims every time you change phones.....

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 08:17 2

8. hepresearch (unregistered)


What did I say last year? I said that Apple will take control of things, despite the higher level of total Android activations and the challenge of Windows Phone emerging, because they are making more money than anyone else... really more than everyone else in the industry combined. Once again, history is bearing out that, in this environment of corruption in the system, "he who has the money sets the rules"...

Apple is, and has been, raking in the dough... and now they are using that money to set the new standards for the industry by buying the needed votes to push their proposal through. Once again, Apple "changes everything" by re-writing the rules of engagement to suit themselves and forcing others to follow (then get sued over and over again for following too closely). This is a brilliant strategy by Apple, and sadly it is actually paying off unimaginably well. The iPhone and the iPad have become iconic, coveted, and known for their quality, while any other quality device from anyone else gets sued for being too "ornamental", because apparently Apple is the only company that is allowed to make something that is high-quality AND looks good.

So, if Apple cannot sue everyone, the next logical step is to force through a new standard that REQUIRES all manufacturers to license Apple's technology and design in something so fundamental that no one will be able to escape it AND still continue to do business. This plan is being executed nearly flawlessly, and has apparently been planned long in advance of our hearing about the potential results. Apple has played the entire industry real good...

I don't dispute the quality or ability of iOS devices from Apple, but the business practices are maddening, and the cultural identity factor (with the associated peer-pressure) is both annoying and insulting.

I think that next week we will enter a new level of Apple domination as their nano-SIM becomes the new world standard for all GSM/UMTS/LTE devices. Call me a pessimist... you would be right, but I would prefer to be wrong at the same time that I get pleasantly surprised.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 08:21 1

9. darkkjedii (Posts: 11962; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Your points are super smart, but is apple doing anything different then any other company does, or would do if they're able to beat someone to the punch.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 08:59 1

14. hepresearch (unregistered)


Although this kind of thing has happened before in a few other industries, in the entire history of the mobile industry since the Motorola "brick" was invented in the 1980's, I am not aware of any other company that ever even tried to do what Apple is doing now... Apple has, in return, been the primary target of similar counter-maneuvers by others, but they have only done so in response to Apple's initial "changes [to] everything", and have only done so in a watered-down and guarded fashion as to not bring upon themselves the same Anti-Apple ire from their like-minded competitors who they have largely coexisted with for decades until now. Apple has brought a new style of fighting to the industry, and no one seemed quite prepared for it. So yes, Apple did launch this kind of behavior in this particular industry, and others are having to adopt the same strategy just to counter Apple enough to survive at this point. Apple beat everyone to the punch because no one else was even thinking about delivering a total industry-wide knock-out blow the way that Apple did, and now everyone else is scrambling to adapt and escape further attacks.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 08:23 1

10. darkkjedii (Posts: 11962; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Not harping on you, but u seem intelligent, and I like to get opinions from intelligent people, instead of the loud mouth clowns that get on these sites, and type dumb stuff.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 09:06 3

15. hepresearch (unregistered)


I suppose that depends upon your definition of "intelligent"...

This is a commentary forum for people with opinions on the posted articles, so you are not likely to find total professionalism from every user who comments here. We are commenting our "opinions" on "professional" articles, so don't expect everyone to share the same "opinion" with you. If you are looking for professional views, read the posted articles here first. If someone says something that is offensive to you, I think the best advice I could give you would be to ignore them.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 08:48

13. Raziel14 (Posts: 10; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


I can bet my a$$ that ericsson t65 had a sim tray system maybe 10 years ago, too lazy to google for it :)

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 11:37

18. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6584; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


I don't see APPLE suing Nokia like they did to Motorola. and of course APPLE pays it's way around the court system all across Europe to do this

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 12:26 3

19. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


Call me an optimist, but I don't see Apple winning out on this one. Nokia still has a fair amount of influence in Europe, even though Europeans seem to love Apples dough. I also think that because Apple is frantically registering subsidiaries, that the European commission will cry foul on it and those subsidiaries may be disqualified from participating in the vote. But as with everything else, we shall see. And people wonder why I dislike Apple to the point that I would never, ever use their products and discourage any of my family and friends from doing so if my opinion is asked. Their shady business practices and culture are why.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 15:55

21. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)


hell yeah. thats the exact same reason i hate rotten fruit so much.

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 13:00

20. Leo_MC (Posts: 552; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Oh, yes, everything is perfect in mobile phone industry but can't be implemented because of huge sim cards...
Pff, a phone tend to be larger than 12-13 x 6-7 cm; does anyone think a 2 square cm sim card is "way too big"?!

posted on 21 Mar 2012, 22:35 1

22. webOSlove (unregistered)


of course , some more news about Apple trying to hold other OEM's hostage . I think Apple is a stingy , greedy , manipulative company . Screw Apple & their iPads & iPhones . They've screwed pretty much every manufacturer @ one point or another . They copy ideas from other OSes , throw some glitter on it , & they will take out another manufacturer just trying to throw a patent on it . Screw Apple . I wouldn't be caught dead with an iOS or Mac OS product . Apple is disgustingly greedy .

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 05:56

23. roscuthiii (Posts: 1841; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


I wouldn't be too surprised if in the not-too-distant future Apple is broken up like Microsoft was. Probably 3 separate companies: Mac, iTunes, and iOS.

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