8 megapixel PureView camera rumored for the Nokia Lumia 920
1. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
If it's true then goodbye Nokia WP8; however, I've a feeling this isn't true as a very credible Nokia camera dept guy said 12MP was too small for PV tech; and unless Nokia is totally crazy or has developed a revolutionary tech that's ahead of PV I can't see all that hype nothing but a gimmick.
9. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 380; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
if this is going to happen,then Nokia is going to make a big foolish mistake and very soon they will declare their bankruptcy and also the news they are spreading doesn't have any worth.
15. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
I dont believe this. After creating all the hype and excitement to all the WP and android fans. They can't afford a disappointment this time. As what I said before, a 16MP PV would be possible for this lumia, or maybe as low as 12 MP to make 2pixels into 1.
19. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
This is not the 1st time they have over hyped and under delivered... N97 lumia 900 etc... I hope they actually have a proper pv camera in the new lumia especially after basically saying Samsung ativ s was nothing compared to the new lumia
40. boblight (Posts: 84; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)
Yup yup. I agree with you. I doubt that Nokia would be so crazy to do this. Mabye there is something that Nokia may be hiding from us, and is saving it for Sept 5. But still, designwise the 920 still tops the list. :)
48. Whodaboss (Posts: 176; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)
So, I think what I'm reading here is that you guys know exactly what type of PureView variations are available? Somehow, because you've heard about the 41mega pixel version there isn't any other variations of PureView. And if there were other variations that couldn't be good at all. Hmm... Funny that I'm sure most of these readers here are one's who always claim more mega pixels don't mean squat now all of a sudden it's the Holy Grail.
Even if this is true, so be it! I'm glad to know there are so many clearvoyant folks here who knows what will be a success and what will not. I'm sure all of you are rich with Apple stock because you knew the iPhone was going to be a hit.
52. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
But more MP in PureView provides more oversampling. And I'm talking about the total sensor size. eg:2 MP in 808 provides 20 pixels condensed into 1 super-pixel and if this is true then 2mp will give a 4:1 ratio
2. MeoCao (unregistered)
PureView and 8MP? what a joke. I don't think it's true.
50. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
N8 sensor should be on Lumia 820.. and pureview on 920!!!
but i think N8 sensor is still superior since its 12MP...
6. valapsp (Posts: 540; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
I think everybody was expecting a 38 megapixel shooter for a Pure View model. not 8.
But let's be honest we (normal people) don not need such a camera because the output size of each photo would be at least 15 MBs.
24. redmd (Posts: 1125; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I don't think you have a clear grasp of what a pureview tech is.
27. valapsp (Posts: 540; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)
Actually I'm judging based on Nokia 808 PureView.
53. chapizzo (Posts: 116; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
Actually, you don't have no idea of what you speak. The file size is around 1MB when you use the pureview setting and not the full 38MP resolution. Afterall, the design was to use the pureview setting.
7. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
If the rumor is true, I doubt Nokia will see significant sales of the new phones. Sure, there will be some improvement, but enough to sustain the company? Doubtful. There are just too many compelling alternatives.
8. CharlieAtInfinity (Posts: 253; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
What the hell Nokia... 8 MP Pure View? REALLY? and also if there is no xenon flash then Nokia is digging their own grave :(
10. papss (unregistered)
I'd be pretty disappointed to be honest.. I have a contract just waiting to see what this event shows....
11. shikhar (Posts: 28; Member since: 14 Aug 2011)
I wanted a better camera on the Lumia 920 than what is on the Nokia N8. Sure, megapixel count is not everything, but this is pretty underwhelming. Nokia would have to employ a different concept of imaging in 920 as opposed to 808 (pixel binning) if they want the integrity of the Pureview to be upheld. And I wondered why it was a Lumia 920 only and why not something like a 1000 series phone.....
49. Whodaboss (Posts: 176; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)
Precisely. We don't know what Nokia has in mind. They maybe releasing an 8mp PureView now only to release a much better phone (spec wise) in the near future. And because the new iPhone will be released around the same time I wouldn't be surprised if they waited a few additional months to release Lumia 1000etc. For the life of me I don't understand all these negative comments. Moreover, IMO any of these phones will be and are better than the iPhone or any Android product. The OS is just better and with the new hardware it will be superior.
12. infernal88 (Posts: 113; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Calling a 8mp cam pure-view without having the multible pixels into one super pixel
Would be mess leading and more like marketing only technique ...hope nokia wont folllow such tricky ways ...would suck ro be them
17. redmd (Posts: 1125; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
So true. 8MP =/= pureview, it's just the N95. I think the rumors are true because Nokia might not have been able to put that huge sensor to their sleek Lumia line. Nokia might have just ride the pureview coattails and fool the innocent.
13. GJanee (Posts: 214; Member since: 29 Jun 2011)
as i see noone noticed that ad1: a 41mpx camera is a total waste for a phone, ad2: it will not be affordable for most of the people so yeah, i'm not that disappointed.
i personally do not want to see a great nokia design ruined with that bulky bump for the high mpx camera. especially not the lumia design!
14. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
if this is true, nokia will flop. it might deliver good quality but in marketing, they will lose because people nowadays judge will quantity vs quality first --- in which they trust Samsung even more and Samsung's cameras don't suck, they're actually good.
so, 8MP? not eye catching. you're doomed.
16. FoneAddict (Posts: 242; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
No doubt Windows Phone is limiting the potential of PureView.
Nokia should have gone with Android, this is turning out to be a disaster for Nokia and it's all because they decided to place their entire faith on MS Trojan Stephen Elop.
23. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
No, android is too crowded and too easily a target for apple. If not WP, they should have continued with MeeGo (which can be made to run Androids apps easily). Going with Microsoft gave Nokia a much needed cash and tech infusion to get them quickly to the forefront of WP. The turnaround time for that transition is staggering.
Also, Elop isn't some tyrannical dictator, deciding to make changes at random; he is the mouthpiece for the company, a company comprised of thousands of workers and shareholders, many managers, and a board of directors. He can't make changes or announcements without the board's approval, which is why his interviews tend to be so useless
47. juusitu (Posts: 4; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
That's so true! Elop has drag Nokia to the mud.
I mean look at much rewarded N9. He even didn't want to sell it in every country. By this he damaged it's sales not to mention had been promoted it. Instead he toured the world praising WP, wiped out every Nokias own OS Symbian/Meego under WP. He hasn't understood, that something must been sold, before WP-phones are in the market.
18. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
I would expect no less than 16MP. We all know MP aren't everything, but the average consumer thinks more is always better, and with the Titan2 already having 16, Nokia is almost obliged to beat it.
That said, if they're able to cram the PureView software into any MP count, it'll more than likely be a better camera than anything except possibly a Sony Xmor (I think that is what they call their stacked sensors?), and even then likely better. Nokia knows it needs to strongly differentiate itself, especially against Samsung.
36. infernal88 (Posts: 113; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
as i understand --which might be wrong-- the pure-view technology ..they cant use it with any sensor size since they need excess of pixels to fuse them into one ...if 8 MP used with pure view..a 2 pixels fusion would give 4 mp picture as out come and i dont think that even gd to give a lossless digital zoom :/.... so there is no point ..unless they have one more trick !
20. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 587; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)
An 8MP device would be a marketing disaster for Nokia after all the Pureview hype. Let's hope smarter heads in Finland prevailed.
22. rm7forever (Posts: 1; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
may 8MP with pureview better than 12MP or more than that, just wait the phone
25. redmd (Posts: 1125; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
But do we really need that pureview tech? I mean I can take the ATIV S if it has the same sensor of the S3.
32. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
NOTE samsung is famous because of Android coat remove it they are crapy same old compnay that was underdog of nokia shadow
33. redmd (Posts: 1125; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Yes, the underdog. I clearly know what you mean by that.
26. Suts_97 (Posts: 124; Member since: 05 May 2012)
It's good that we have this kind of rumours, so that we'll be amazed when the real thing comes out!
28. jlscott777 (Posts: 45; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Lets see, I believe the rumors started with a 41 megapixel Lumia, then 21 now 8, does anyone want to bet on 16?
29. lsguntu (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Pls dont this nokia, I postponed my phone purchase by 6 months :( . I have to got samsung for wp8 :(
30. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
lol the article writter is a idiot probably 8mpx is not a PV standard this article is either false or made up as a joke
31. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
well even true doesnt mean nokia is in trouble this is one thing nokia is really awsome but rest of the phone still looks feels better then samsung one and the quality is always better then samsung for sure even its 5mpx i will not argure
34. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
Isn't the whole point of PureView technology lie within multiple pixels being converged into one? So how are they going to achieve this with mere 8 megapixels???
35. StreetNerd (Posts: 802; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
the 920 is think...... i might go for the Ativ S
38. refreak (Posts: 29; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
other than this camera thing,
am i the only one who thinks 820 luks betr than 920??
41. downphoenix (Posts: 2972; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
It could still have pureview technology, just for obviously lower res pictures, like it could make a killer 1 or 2MP picture using pureview tech, but the 8MP will just be a standard 8MP. Won't be the best for making printable pictures, but will make for great quality pictures to have on the phone and to upload to Facebook and such.
Or Nokia is just coping out and just slapping the Pureview name on whatever random camera sensor they throw on there and call it the day.
42. Gaurav008 (Posts: 299; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Can anybody here enlighten me about nokia pureview..i thought purevieew was tech for loseless zoom which is just for image stabillization or looseless zoom in a high quality image..but here all u guys are just saying pureview cam..i thought it was all about a tech...like a image enhancement software..but all u guyz are saying about pureview cam..!!
Can anybody post link for pureview..it would be beneficial..
46. infernal88 (Posts: 113; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
basically there is no pure-view without big sensor ,since there must be excess of pixels to fuse together ...for example nokia 808 ...when it capturing picture at full 41 MP it is not pure view and just usual picture with huge size ... while at 8MP mode "pure-view" the excess of pixels captured by the 41 sensors are combined so each five adjacent pixels forms one perfect pixel and so on ....
if i got that right ...it is kinda near impossible to get pure view with samll sensore "8MP" unless u are planing to have an out come picture of 2MP or nokia has anew trick
one more thing ..i read about in a preview about samsung galaxy camera ...they said that the cam can fast capture 3 pics at night mode and combine them into one pic so i guess that may be a gd work around for small sensors ..but they must have a really short or no shutter lag camera
43. hgroove4 (Posts: 1; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
I think Nokia lost again his MOMENTUM, WP8 launching is the time to strike back with HD display, 2Gb RAM and 21 Mpx PV camera in his flag phone. I hope there are a Lumia 950 phone with this features somewhere. We want a smartphone that in the end of 1 or 2 years contract still be smart.
44. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3389; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Come on! This can't be true! If Nokia claims (which they did) that Samsung ATIV is a warm up act, then this should be a false update.
51. meowcenary (Posts: 187; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
*scratching my head* Why would one use a smartphone to take photographs? Point and shoot, advance point and shoot, and DSLR anyone? Or have we fallen deeply into convergence technology that we've forgotten what is good....
By the way megapixel count does not mean much. The higher it gets the more noise you'll see.
55. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3389; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Read "PUREVIEW" tech!! You or we might understand Pixel count don't necessarily enhance the image, but ask people what they go for...and they will surely go for the pixel count!!
54. Adithya7184 (Posts: 317; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)
if this turns out to be true....Ativ S will be winner....