Snapdragon 845 tipped to use older 10nm production, bummer for the US-bound Galaxy S9

Snapdragon 845 tipped to use older 10nm production, bummer for the US-bound Galaxy S9
It's been a familiar refrain for years now - the US gets a Snapdragon-equipped Galaxy S line flagship, because... Qualcomm patents, but also Verizon and Sprint's legacy CDMA voice networks. The rest of the world, however, usually basks in the battery life efficiency coming with Samsung's homebrew Exynos line of processors, and often the added benefit of a better audio processor.

Next year, with the introduction of the eventual Galaxy S9 and S9+, we thought that the roles may get reversed. Samsung just announced that its second-generation 10nm LPP processors are entering mass production, while back in October the company touted the 8nm process as "production ready" only. Separately, Samsung informed us that the 10nm LPP chips are being churned out by its new S3 factory in Korea, but simply that the "7nm FinFET process technology with EUV (Extreme Ultra Violet) will also be mass produced at S3," not falling into any kind of timeframe promises. We'd have to assume that the 8nm LPP node will follow the 10nm LPP in mass production, too, either simultaneously with the 7nm EUV, or before it.

That still leaves only 10nm chipsets in mass production, albeit of the second-generation LPP variety (likely the already-announced Exynos 9810), at a time that is getting awfully close to the rumored early release of the Galaxy S9 (at least "early" when compared to the S8's). Unless TSMC, which Qualcomm was allegedly probing for production of its 7nm Snapdragon chipsets, has done some unthinkable heroism, and started mass production of the next chipset node without the industry noticing, the next top-shelf Snapdragon will still be done by Samsung with the 10nm node, it seems.

As if to add merit to this theory, today a report out of the Asian tech blogosphere claims that "Samsung Exynos 9810 with 10nm LPP process stable, and Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 [with] 10nm LPE process" are what's in mass production now. Samsung is apparently hogging the initial batches of Snapdragon 845 from its foundries, and has taped the new chipset out with the first-gen 10nm LPE process that Snapdragon 835 uses, leaving the more advanced 10nm LPP capacity for its own Exynos 9810. 

Samsung said yesterday that these second-gen chips will have up to 10% higher performance, or 15% better power efficiency, compared to 10nm LPE, and, since both of these processors are rumored to go into the Galaxy S9, US users may feel cheated again. The source, however, adds some more info about the eventual 845 specifications that makes up for the older production node compared with 9810, and then some. First off, Snapdragon 845 is expected to use custom Kryo processor cores with a brand new architecture, based on the latest Cortex-A75 model for the faster cores, and Cortex-A53 for the low-power quartet. 

Last but not least, 845 is said to come packed with new Adreno 630 graphics that support dual cameras up to 25 MP of resolution, and an X20 modem that can take advantage of 1.2Gbps download speeds, if your carrier can supply these, of course. These are all significant improvements over the current Snapdragon 835 paraphernalia, so we wouldn't cry too loud if the 845 is indeed taped out with 10nm LPE instead of LPP like that pesky Exynos 9810, what do you think?

source: IT (translated) via GSMArena

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  • Storage 64 GB + microSDXC
  • Battery 3000 mAh(31h talk time)



1. baldilocks

Posts: 1545; Member since: Dec 14, 2008

A 10% performance gain, in today's phones, really doesn't amount to much.

7. sme4192

Posts: 21; Member since: Nov 30, 2017

when is about process node that is very important because in soc we see billions transistors and 10 perecent is good improvement over other else

11. sgodsell

Posts: 7605; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Naturally PhoneArena forgets to mention all the other things that go inside these SoCs. Like GPU, DSP, ISP, Neural Processing Engines, the amount of cache, and more. Just going from A73 to A75 will net you a 20% increase alone, and that is at the same clock speeds. The greatest increase will come from the AI from these SoCs in the future. The CPU is one part of the larger picture to everything else that is inside today's SoCs.

16. torr310

Posts: 1708; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

For people who skipped S8, S9 would be worth it. The position of FPS on S8 is really inconvenient!

18. Cat97

Posts: 1983; Member since: Mar 02, 2017

But the 15% battery life gain is sorely needed !

21. BuffaloSouce unregistered

Battery life on the S8 is pretty damn good. The real solution would be for people to actually put their phone down for a while instead of being clued to it like a mindless zombie 24/7. Even if we do see a 15 percent battery increase, people will just cry for a 20 percent increase the next go around

36. D-SHEL

Posts: 23; Member since: Sep 14, 2014

Yep, but "up to 15%" and not all battery drained by SoC.

37. Nabil111

Posts: 105; Member since: Apr 14, 2014

We'll never see it in the real world

28. mikehunta727 unregistered

10% is solid if power efficiency is also improved by at least 20-30%< which I think it will be

38. Nabil111

Posts: 105; Member since: Apr 14, 2014

Makes me wonder if these are just based on calculations and the "10% faster" is just a random guess based on some parameters of the chipset. In the real world, if we listened to these "10% faster, 15% faster, 50% faster" claims, we'd already be at quantum computing. SD801 feels just about the same as SD820 and even SD835. Not saying there aren't optimizations, but I can't take these claimed percentages with any seriousness.

2. Tech-shake

Posts: 213; Member since: Nov 14, 2016

Everyone who abounded Samsung this year got screwed over big time. Google opted for LG made OLED screens and we know how that went, now Qualcomm went for TSMC and it seems to be not going so well for them.

22. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

Absolutely not. I left Samsung for. Pixel 2XL and I finally understood how s**tty Samsung is with software. My phone lasts wayyyy longer, the camera blows the S8+ out if the water, it has front facing speakers, and amazing standby time.

24. Instigator

Posts: 39; Member since: Feb 11, 2017

The standby time improvement is related to Oreo. It's not rocket science that if you have a feature packed skin, then it will be slower than stock. The public want features, a few geeks want stock. Samsung market to the masses, not a minority group. The Note 8 performs very well considering just how feature packed it is. If you genuinely did buy a Pixel 2 XL, then more fool you. Google have no morals, and won't make good on all the faults this phone is plagued with. I think you're trying to justify your error, but luckily I won't be following your sales pitch and will stay well clear of Google.

30. Supraman21

Posts: 467; Member since: Jun 09, 2010

Funny you say that Goolg ehas no morals. Samsung the worse offendor of copying other companies because they aren't original. The Note isn't packed full of features and the ones they do have are half baked and poorly coded.

34. worldpeace

Posts: 3135; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

"The Note isn't packed full of features" There is only 2 facts here: 1. You have no idea about Galaxy note series 2. You're a liar

39. Nabil111

Posts: 105; Member since: Apr 14, 2014

Trying to not reply with a list of Nexus phones with hardware and software issues, and I'm not even talking about the new Pixel phones... All manufacturers are playing "me too" because.... that's how you sell products. Consumer wants fingerprint reader? You cannot sell them with an innovative substitute product called "speakers", they want a damn fingerprint reader...

3. androiduser

Posts: 523; Member since: Jun 18, 2014

I was 100% certain of this.. I knew that 7nm processors will come in 2018 not 2017

4. nerocui

Posts: 1; Member since: Nov 30, 2017

10% is not good enough. 7600 in multi-core score is no where close to A11. They should really start to make larger CPU and include larger cache at all levels.

5. sme4192

Posts: 21; Member since: Nov 30, 2017

that is just improved process numbers and not in cpu architect and etc... exynos 9810 is best soc in android world and is very powerful and efficient

13. sgodsell

Posts: 7605; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Today's SoCs are more than just a CPU. The A11 also has the largest amount of cache compared to any other ARM SoC. Which is great for benchmark tests. Too bad the A11 is tied to a restricted OS on the iPhones. The Qualcomm SoCs are used with real multitasking and split screen multitasking OS's like Android. All of which is missing on every iPhone ever sold.

19. Mreveryphone

Posts: 1850; Member since: Apr 22, 2014

I said the same thing a while ago. I would love to see the A11 in the Note 8 or V30 or even the Pixel...

26. twens

Posts: 1184; Member since: Feb 25, 2012

Yes A11 is fast but come down from the number games. The fastest phone on the market is sure not an iPhone but instead an Android phone with a lesser power compared to the A11. Ones the phone is fast it's fast. The next Snapdragon and Exynos might not be A11 fast on paper but I can assure you they'll smoke the iPhone in real speed test.

6. sme4192

Posts: 21; Member since: Nov 30, 2017

that is because for yield number and stable production qualcom improved 845 in architect in 2019 we can see 7nm EUV in samsung phones first in industry even 8nm lpp is better performance than 7nm tsmc

8. CreeDiddy

Posts: 2276; Member since: Nov 04, 2011

So inessence.... 1900 single core / 6000 multi core from a SD 835 to... 2000 / 6600 multi core from the SD 845.... At this rate they are still at the A10...A11 speeds will be 2020...

9. tedkord

Posts: 17481; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

And it makes such a huge difference.

35. worldpeace

Posts: 3135; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

And iPhoneX still can't beat oneplus 5t performance at half of the price. That bloated benchmark number is plain useless

10. cncrim

Posts: 1590; Member since: Aug 15, 2011

Most android need a bigger aches, like 4mb.

12. tedkord

Posts: 17481; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

As I get closer to 50, my aches are getting bigger.

20. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3168; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Just wait till you're past 50. That's where the real fun begins.

17. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1475; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

Single core performance is rumored to be around 2600 though, not 2000, which seems in line with previous rumors of a performance increase of around 30%.

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