Galaxy S10 to sport a Face ID camera competitor, and in-display finger reader



It's not the first time we are hearing that Samsung is working on a TrueDepth camera competitor to rival Apple's Face ID and Animoji features, but now we have a device where it will eventually be planted - none other than the Galaxy S10. This one is shaping up to be a crazy handset, with a 7nm chipset, 5G connectivity, in-display finger scanner, and whatever else Samsung throws at it that will stick.

Well, it seems that Samsung is throwing a structured light transmitter and receiver, a front-facing camera, and a time of flight/proximity sensor. These are the components needed for the TrueDepth camera set that are clustered in the iPhone X's "notch" at the top. The structured light sensors collect depth information which is combined with images taken with the front-facing camera to produce a 3D map using software algorithms.


Surprise, surprise, Samsung, which is in cahoots with Israeli camera startups on dual camera and other shenanigans, has picked their brains again, this time for its Face ID module competitor. The Israelis from Mantis Vision are apparently partnering with the Koreans from Namuga to provide Samsung 3D-sensing camera modules for the Galaxy S10. Namuga is behind Intel’s RealSense AR camera kit, while Mantis Vision was fronted $10 million by Samsung on developing camera modules for a Project Tango AR effort that Google scuttled not long ago.

Back in January, Samsung Electro-Mechanics, which makes the cameras for the Galaxy line of phones, mentioned that "the company is closely working with 3-D sensing solution developers for new growth opportunities," and one of these is seemingly an answer to Apple's Face ID. Currently, the Intelligent Scan and AR Emoji on the Galaxy S9 behave like an afterthought compared to Apple's 3D-scanning biometry and Animoji, but next year this might all change with the Galaxy S10. 

In addition, the source report reiterates one more time that, while the Note 9 won't have in-display finger scanner, Samsung's efforts in that respect will bear fruit... well, in the Galaxy S10, again, ain't that clever marketing, and Samsung is exploring all available avenues, optical and ultrasonic, to make that a reality for the 10th anniversary edition of its flagship S-line.

source: TheBell (translated)

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51 Comments

1. DBoss

Posts: 102; Member since: Feb 18, 2017

So it takes a solid 2 years to catch Apple's face id for samsung...

7. Subie

Posts: 2260; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Bang on the money DBoss. Yet it took Apple what? 4 years to catch up on wireless charging and 6 years or so for oled displays... My point is it can go both ways, and with all the oems too.

28. NateDiaz

Posts: 1082; Member since: Mar 03, 2018

Motorola Atrix had a fingerprint sensor in January 2011, how many of you used that? How many phones had wireless charging in 2014? How many of you used that? How many OEMs used OLED in 2011/12? Blacks are black, battery friendly, and what else is different than LCDs? These all tech were just fancy words at that time. You implement tech when it is needed. I'm not defending Apple or any other manufacturer, just writing my opinion.

51. sleepypandaeyes

Posts: 332; Member since: Apr 12, 2015

Those tech features may not have been implemented well but it does not take away the fact that they were innovations, just poorly executed. Juat because an OEM successfully utilises a tech feature doesn't make that feature their idea or creation. You could say that OEM is the first to successfully implement that feature.

29. toukale

Posts: 599; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

@ Subie - I love when folks list standards as advancement to describe how well android oem's are doing lol. Those things have nothing to do with android. Also love it when they list things like LTE, NFC as how great android are doing, you just can't make this stuff up. That's fanatics for you, they can't help themselves about proven how innovative their favorite company du jour is/are.

39. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 414; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

It doesn't make it less true took Apple how long to finally use superior Amoled tech?? They were behind Sony in terms of waterproofing, they finally got a file manager which is nothing compared to Googles or even Samsungs offerings. Heck I bet if Apple used SD Cards you guys would act like Apple started the trend :D

44. apple-rulz

Posts: 1843; Member since: Dec 27, 2016

But when Apple did start using OLED displays they knocked it out of the proverbial ballpark; http://www.displaymate.com/iPhoneX_ShootOut_1a.htm Samsung FPD people clearly learned a few things when they saw the manufacturing specs of the iPhone X.

46. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 414; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

And if it wasnt for Samsung pushing amoled since galaxy s2 days what would have apple used?? LCD LOL If it wasnt for Samsung pushing the tech year after year it deffo wouldnt have been as mature as it is now. Thats what happens when you push hardware forward year after year.

47. NateDiaz

Posts: 1082; Member since: Mar 03, 2018

I'm sure you'll google if I ask what does AMOLED mean, talking s**t is easy.

50. Subie

Posts: 2260; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

I read displaymate's article a while ago, and I totally agree with you that they knocked it out of the park with that display on the iPhone X! And Sammy's displays have been knocking It out of the park since the Note 5 as well I believe.

8. TechSceptic

Posts: 1156; Member since: Feb 05, 2018

Remember that Samsung had facial recognition and an Iris scanner before Apple even had a their face id. Samsung has facial recognition that works, and an iris scanner that works. It's not like they were forced to put all of their resources on creating facial recognition, as they had it before Apple. It's just the 3D part of the facial recognition that they don't have it, but it's not exactly something that most people care about, so they focused their efforts on more pressing matters. Those would be their fantastic low-light performance with their variable aperture, which is a first for smartphone. It would also be their unrivaled noise-suppression algorithm. It could also be the 960FPS slow-mo recording or the stereo speakers. What about the massively improved Exynos 9810? There are a bunch of areas which are more important, which Samsung choose to focus on, which resulted in a bunch of features that phones like the Iphone X doesn't have.

25. toukale

Posts: 599; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

LOL, you can do better. Look lots of companies do this. Samsung, like all the Chinese vendors who are not platform holders usually add thinks simply as a check box list. They do it all the time, list all the things they have no matter how crappy it works. That's what separate Apple from the rest, they like to add feature sets instead of just adding something just to fill a check box. Everyone can do that. Those things are available to everyone at the same time, only your checkbook can stop you to add them. It's why I usually lol when folks uses that as the reason why company A is more innovative than company B. I see folks use things like LTE, NFC in the past to prove that point, to which I shake my head in amazement. Those things are standards anyone can add at anytime.

40. ShadowSnypa786

Posts: 414; Member since: Jan 06, 2017

So if Apple do it then there a reason why and its useful but if ANdroid OEM's do it then its just to check off things in a list?? Lol Apple fanboys and their hypocrisy I definetly shake my head in amazement at some people :/

41. RoyalMike unregistered

Really? Samsung already have a better more secured solution, iris scanning way before iPhone X's not so secure face ID.. FaceID is only better if you wear glasses as the glare can obstruct your eyes. Samsung users doesn't even care much about face scanning. In display fingerprint sensor is the way to go

49. Scott93274

Posts: 6025; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

I think the public has already spoken that they prefer fingerprint scanners anyway.

2. Settings

Posts: 2942; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

S10 equipped with 2017 tech.

11. TechSceptic

Posts: 1156; Member since: Feb 05, 2018

Just like the Iphone X being equipped with 2012 tech (Amoled) and 2015-ish tech (Wireless charging). Unlike Apple, Samsung already had an alternative to Apple's face id, which is their facial recognition and iris scanner. They work fine, they just aren't 3-dimensional.

18. Humanoid

Posts: 1226; Member since: Dec 11, 2017

G3 and Z3 Verizon had wireless charging in 2014.

27. UglyFrank

Posts: 2188; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

The S3 has wireless charging replacement back covers in 2012

20. Foxgabanna

Posts: 572; Member since: Sep 11, 2016

You can say that but the iPhone X screen is rated the best for it being from 2012.

23. Macready

Posts: 1793; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

No, S9 screen is rated best.

52. TechSceptic

Posts: 1156; Member since: Feb 05, 2018

The S9 and S9+ has a better screen than the Iphone X. Please do your research before heralding iphone as the best. It's something that people generally always do, and it's very annoying when they herald something as the best, simply because of the brand name.

3. phaneendra_92

Posts: 64; Member since: Oct 12, 2013

Ussually again sammy taking pieces from sony and apple....

6. toukale

Posts: 599; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

Why shouldn't Samsung continue to go to the well thats proven to work since the Galaxy inception. It would be negligent of them not to. Like it or not, Apple have proven to be the most influential company the last 10+ years. The modern smartphone everyone is using is base off their template. The App Stores, the percentages and the rules are largely adapted what they have done. It's the reason why Apple has nothing to worry about at the moment. As long as folks are still using their rules and playing the same game then Apple will continue to be dominant. What needs to happen is for someone to come along and change the game and its rule like Apple did in 2007. Sadly I don't see anyone ready to move us beyond that. Google is best place to do that, but they seem content with the way things are currently.

4. surethom

Posts: 1561; Member since: Mar 04, 2009

Ultrasonic under glass fingerprint reader is probably more reliable for such a big company. Ultrasonic version not available till later this year.

5. amro99

Posts: 114; Member since: Nov 29, 2012

OMG! We are just seeing reviews of s9 on internet which no one has seen in stores yet, and you are starting s10 rumors? Come on give us a break guys....

9. cmdacos

Posts: 3781; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

Well their current iris scan is already more secure than face id so this is a logical next step.

16. NateDiaz

Posts: 1082; Member since: Mar 03, 2018

Makes me wonder why would they implement something like face id when "their current iris scan is already more secure than face id".

26. toukale

Posts: 599; Member since: Jun 10, 2015

LOL, good question. Fanatics are all over trying to find an excuse, why, I have no idea.

34. cmdacos

Posts: 3781; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

To iterate on ARemoji I assume. Twins, similar looking children and dopplegangers can't just pick up the phone and get in with iris scan like they have shown to do with face id. That to me is more secure.

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