Replication before application: Galaxy S9 may come with a Face ID module of its own

Replication before application: Galaxy S9 may come with a Face ID module of its own

Galaxy S9 is shaping up to be a fine under-the-hood upgrade over its predecessor the S8, with a new 7nm Snapdragon 845 or Exynos 9810 processor, and perhaps a dual camera, but, as Apple likes to put it, there is one more thing. A tech blog out of the wild east that usually has credible scoops, is now confirming the vague supply chain rumors that Galaxy S9 will come with "3D sensor front camera." The only one such undertaking we can think of is Face ID on the iPhone X, so Samsung might be eyeing a similar depth-sensing kit for the Galaxy S9, in a me-too kind of move. 


We've seen too many of these moves over the year, from both sides of the aisle, to dismiss the tip as a mere speculation. Samsung is no stranger to facial recognition sets on its phones, albeit not ones with the 3D-mapping features that Apple uses. The set on the iPhone X is not just for unlocking the phone, though - Apple wouldn't go to such lengths for this simple action - but rather enables a plethora of options for the future, like using your own face mimics on a virtual avatar in iMessage or for gaming. Apple and Samsung are the world's largest smartphone makers and profit holders, so they are certainly keeping an eye on each other, and often trying to replicate the number of arrows each has in their respective quivers, so we've seen plenty of that. Moreover, Samsung has the Infinity Display design that would allow it to place a 3D-mapping camera kit without resorting to notch-style cutouts and the like.

The issue is, however, that Apple is ahead in 3D face-mapping technology, and even then it struggles with procuring enough sensors of the needed quality to make the tech work on a consumer level, causing unprecedented delay in the launch of Apple's most anticipated handset in recent memory - the iPhone X. Thus, Samsung will have a steep hill to climb if it is indeed bent on releasing the Galaxy S9 earlier than usual to combat the deluge of iPhone X units that will be hitting the market around that time. There's that, and then there's finding actual useful application for the technology that will stem from Samsung's eventual replication of the new Face ID tech on Apple's anniversary iPhone. With $13 billion profit forecast for the past trimester, though, Samsung might overcome those hurdles by simply throwing money and engineering prowess at the idea, what do you think?

source: Ice Universe & MyDrivers (translated)

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42 Comments

1. rdvn26

Posts: 77; Member since: Aug 04, 2017

still samsung follows apple... They dont have to use it just bring longer battery life and better performance

3. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

What the hell? This Face ID isn't any much different from the IRIS of the Note7... How is Samsung following Apple in this case?.

5. Jimrod

Posts: 1605; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

It's very different. One scans your iris, the other scans a 3D map of your face, the clues are in the titles. If they were the same why would Samsung be working on anything?

13. tedkord

Posts: 17090; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

They're the same principal. They map your (iris or face) and use that map to identify you.

16. Jimrod

Posts: 1605; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

Same as a fingerprint scanner maps your fingerprint if that's your logic then...

24. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

Exactly because they is how biometric sensors work. Each just is using a different body part...lol You ever looked up biometrics? BIOMETRICS the measurement and analysis of unique physical or behavioral characteristics (such as fingerprint or voice patterns) especially as a means of verifying personal identity What parts of your body have unique characteristic that can be used to identify you? Your eyes, your face, your fingerprints. It is article like this, that let you know, who the smart people actually are who know tech, and then who the wannabe degenerates are who don't know a frikkin thing and then scoff people who are in the know. So thus an FPS, Iris Scanner, facial recognition are all biometric applications. They are the same in principle. But you can't tell a troll anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometrics

34. Jimrod

Posts: 1605; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

Techie, in trying to call out everyone else for being dim you manage to come across as a complete tool. You confirmed my point by going on about Biometrics, that's exactly what I said - if you're saying Apple's FaceID is the same as Samsung's Iris scan then you may as well say fingerprint scanning is the same. Get it? They're all biometrics but they're still different methods, this article says Samsung are working on switching to the method that Apple have started using, simple as that.

36. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

My name isn't techie. I also never said they were the same. I said they were the same principle, which they are and nothing you claim will change it because its a fact. Bio-metrics is what it is and is defined as being. You also can't change that. Are they different sensors? Yes. One is design to read your finger, another is design to read your eyes and another your face. The concept of them all is the same. Its a device designed to make an encrypted map of the unique characteristics of the element. A truck is still a truck whether its an SUV, boxed or Semi. Same principle, different or similar application. I never said Samsung Face Recognition is exact like Face ID. One is 2D the other is 3D. The principle of the 2 is the same. A facial scan is done, which created data based on the scan for the purpose of identity.

25. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

Hey Ted, the pretenders where who don't understand tech, don't understand the use of "principle" when it comes to tech. They don't understand that "principle" in this case means, the same methodology is being used, but the application of it is simply different. Biometrics by definiton is the use of unique characteristics of an lement, usually used for identification purposes. So this a finger print reader, iris scanning, facing recognition and similar are all bio-metric application of a single principle. A mapping like you said is either gain from your finger, eye or face because these things would be unique to each individual. But you can't explain sense to people who are just here to troll vs trying to learn something they don't know.

40. sgodsell

Posts: 6728; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Just like all Androids have had facial recognition for years. Some have different degrees of facial recognition, and some have iris scanning. However with that said if some Androids include Qualcomm's sense ID with the ultrasound finger print scanner, then I would use that everyday and all day over any iris, or facial recognition. Especially when that scanner gets a 3D image of your finger print. All current fps use 2D to get your finger print. So it can easily be spoofed.

7. Zylam

Posts: 1797; Member since: Oct 20, 2010

" Face ID isn't any much different from the IRIS" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO That's like saying a random capacitive stylus isn't that different from a Note 8 stylus.

22. mikehunta727 unregistered

I'll have to agree here on this one, Face ID and Samsung's implementation while obviously the idea is similar, smart face unlocking recognition, the implementation is quite different from each other and they achieve their results in a quite different manner It is what Zylam said exactly, if applied with Horse logic, than capacitive and a S-Pen are the same exact thing and aren't any different

26. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

No they do not. The iris scanner scans your eyes and creates a map of your eye, which no eye can duplicate. Face scanning against maps points of your face and creates a map that only a twin would ever have. Fingerprint sensors map your finger and create a unique identity that only your finger and replicate. Please look up the word biometrics and research its usages and its basic principles. Learn something instead of just following the crowd because they said something simply because you agree. Agreeing to any claimed fact doesn't make it right or a fact until you research the facts for yourself. Just agreeing to something because it sounds good to you, doesn't make it fact.

35. mikehunta727 unregistered

Nothing I said was wrong and stop spewing nonsense. What I said was 100% fact and extremely logical, you are either with it or your on the wrong side, so it seems like you are on the losing side of this, gratz

37. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

So you're saying 2 things that are similar, simply just can't achieve similar results? Question - What's the difference between a pen and a pencil? One uses ink the other uses graphite material. Both can be erased, though one is easier. Only one will work with carbon paper properly, but both can work, just not equal. The tech is similar and also different. Its 2D scanning vs 3D. 2D can scan a flatten image while 3D would give a non-flatten image. The different is the camera sensor. The best way to explain is with this imagehttp://www.juic3dit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2D-3D1.jpg One is 2D the other is 3D. With the face recognition on Android, the camera is design to perceive a 2D environment (flatten) and create data based on the element being scanned. The reason 2D Face recognition is easier to dupe, is because a general flatten image can contain very similar data and thus can fail. With 3D you get a more conclusive image in the data. In this case a persons face is harder to duplicate because the chances of someone elses face being like your yours with the same dimples, moles, skin tone and other with have to great of a varying degree, thus a higher degree of failure. Which means its harder to dupe. But harder isn't impossible. TedKord said the principle was the same because the sensor is design for a specific way for identity. Whether it be your finger or eyes or face, the concept behind the application is the same. It is a sensor design to scan an element for ID. He never siad they were exactly the same, no more than a pencil is to a pen. The Stylus by Xylam was a good example, he simply didn't explain it properly. A stylus is a stylus. The SPen is different because it encases specific mechanics, that gives it abilities beyond a standard stylus. But its basic concept in principle is 100% like any other stylus as is a pen is to a pencil.

9. worldpeace

Posts: 3092; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

Calm down horse.... Both is totally different scanner, but note 8 got face unlock that can't be spoofed by photo, probably it got some basic 3d scanning / depth perception, but won't be enough to make animated s**tty emoji

27. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

The face recognition on most Android phones are all 2D. What Apple is using is 3D sensor. A FPS is a 1D sensor. Iris scanners are a 2/3D sensor. The difference in the 3 is depth perception. In 1/2D objects, there is zero to very little depth. So your finger will press flat against the sensor and thus is 1D sensor. Your physical eye, the way it is inside your face, prevents a 3D perception because the onl;y part that needs to be seen is the "IRIS". But your Iris does have curvature to it. It is not a flatten object. So an iris scanner needs 2D perception, because it needs to be able to scan the curve of your iris to map the whole iris. The 3D sensor Apple is using, is 3D because your face has several locations of depth that needs to be perceived. Your cheeks stick out, while your eye sockets are withdrawn inward. Based on Apple own demo, the 3D sensor basicallyidentifies the center of your face and to increase accuracy for identity, 3D perception is required because everyone has a different face with different visible or invisible characteristics. All of them work on a single principle. They scan to create a map of a particular element for identify.

23. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

Why is it always assume, just because Appel rushed and did somethign first, that no one else had such plans during the same time? lol Example, All the Android OEM's were sourcing for a FPS that didn't require swiping. Samsung and LG had already been talking with Authentec. Apple came and bought the company and that ended talks with the OEM's, so Apple could have a one up on the FPS. Samsung simply had to source someone else and ended up with the swipe method at first. This was Apple deliberate attempt to stave off competition on a single option for a component. The problem with this new tech is, its so new it isn't production ready for a company who may put it into a model which sells way to many phones. If Samsung tries this now, they will have the same issues as Apple is having with gettign the part, even if they make their own. Also, when new tech appears on a phone, it doesn't solely belong to that one company. Especially a company who buys all their components 3rd party like Apple does. Everyone follows everybody. Did Apple have the first FPS? NO. Were they the first to remove a headphone jack? No. Were they the first with dual cameras? NO. Were they the first with a large display? No. Were they the first with a high-res display in a phone? No

2. Jimrod

Posts: 1605; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

FFS just keep the fingerprint scanner and headphone jack please. While stupid companies follow Apple's stupid decisions this is your change to keep the good things and differentiate yourselves, the customers will migrate the more poor decisions Apple makes...

14. tedkord

Posts: 17090; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Amen. I've already had to give up on removable batteries, I don't want to lose FPS or the jack, too. Keep them, and add true front facing stereo speakers with a high quality DAC.

31. Finalflash

Posts: 4062; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

I think Samsung learned that lesson with the Galaxy S6 when they removed too much from the S5 feature set and lost customers. They had to put the battery in the phone permanently for the sake of size but the rest is there in the S7 and S8. They are aware that adding works, but subtracting without reason only works for Apple.

4. Papa_Ji

Posts: 777; Member since: Jun 27, 2016

iPhonearena here is something for you.....https://www.sammobile.com/2017/10/17/galaxy-s8-consumer-review/

8. worldpeace

Posts: 3092; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

They won't write article about that. Lots of users here write comment and link about S8 wins "phone of the year" for the last 2 weeks and iPhonearena just ignore it (http://www.techradar.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s8-wins-phone-of-the-year-at-mobile-choice-consumer-awards )

6. Wiencon

Posts: 2278; Member since: Aug 06, 2014

Well what a surprise that is

10. Hallyu

Posts: 790; Member since: Jul 21, 2015

Samsung follow Apple? Are you high? Phonearena, what are you? I'll embarrass you, face recognition has been implemented by Samsung since the Galaxy Nexus dated back in 2011. Why are you mentioning Face ID as the principal as if Apple is the one which invented such a kind of feature first ? I'm not convinced by your blatant lies, terrible bias, and inefficient research. I'm done with this corrupted page. This time I'm serious!

12. Jimrod

Posts: 1605; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

Bye..

28. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

Dude. Samsung is using 2D face recognition. Apple is using 3D. The principle of how they work is the same. The difference is what is being captured and how. Other than Tedkord, no one here really gets that, but the info is so easy to research as to how bio-metrics work and the difference in sensors. I gave a shorten explanation above.

30. Hallyu

Posts: 790; Member since: Jul 21, 2015

Hey bro, glad to see you're back! You're old account is enable. I have asked PA Mod to un-ban you. https://www.phonearena.com/user/techiexp1969

32. Jimrod

Posts: 1605; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

You said you were done, quite literally in the previous post.

11. Tony_5600

Posts: 82; Member since: Apr 09, 2017

Why not include both 3D Face Scanning and Under screen FPS

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