What's this big dark blurry device in the Nokia Lumia 920 PureView camera sample?
Earlier, Nokia teased us with a mysterious video showing a pretty girl carelessly and cheerfully riding a bicycle and smiling at a cameraman. Now, then, we guessed this was the first video sample of the Lumia 920 with its PureView camera and turns out that we were right on the money.
Nokia has now shown footage of the same scene captured with the great optical image stabilization on the Lumia 920 and its PureView Phase II camera (we definitely want to stress the difference between this and the 808 PureView), and a competitor smartphone without the image stabilization.
Now, interestingly, upon closer inspection for a fraction of the second you could see a passing reflection in the van right behind the girl. In that reflection, you can see what looks like the cameraman holding a big black object. Now, all logic says that the reflection should be of a man holding a Nokia Lumia 920. Yet the blurry image raises some questions - that big dark object might seem a bit too big to be the handset. We are not saying it’s not, but we definitely have some doubts.
What do you think? Is this enough reason to suspect some cheating with the video making on Nokia’s part? We’ve reached out to Nokia and Damian Dinning for a comment and will update you when and if we get a response.
Thanks to our commenters tech-head for the good catch and aokde for the screen grab.
2. akita256 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:09 12 0
Boy, oh Boy...........this could get interesting!
3. dragonscourgex posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:10 4 0
Haha, that's funny. It looks to big to be a Nokia Lumia 920. You never know.
5. joseph98 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:13 5 0
Why contact nokia. If I was you I will try to contact this hot model. She was there and she can tell you with what they shoot this picture. :)
6. som posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:14 5 8
Yellow, red or blue phone look like a toy I will not buy it.
7. stole38 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:19 8 0
oh nokia , you've done it now :D haha this will get messy ! spread it out :D
8. joseph98 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:22 9 1
BTW nokia stock is down 10% and that is simply because they never listen. We said we wants pureview with at least 21 MP sensor, not an 8 MP cam. I was so excited to buy this lumia 920 but for now no thanks I pass.
9. joseph98 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:26 3 0
And yes Nokia 808 pureview is a competitor to this new Lumia 920. Put windows phone 8 in Nokia 808 and I will be more interested on buying it than lumia 920.
18. sadaivadai posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:59 5 0
The phone is already 10.8 mm thick and 185 grams ...
20. lumialove posted on 05 Sep 2012, 14:38 3 3
the F/2.0 aperture is the lowest found any smartphone. Think of aperture as how “open” a lens can get—the more open, the more light comes in. That’s crucial as light is what camera’s crave and is the key to getting a good image. You want to buy an expensive lens for your DSLR? Search for one with an F/1.4 aperture—basically the lower the number, the better. Reaching F/2.0 on a camera-phone is a pretty big deal, make no mistake about it. It will also greatly help to make your photos better as the shutter speed can go faster.
back-side illuminated sensors (BSI) —it’s what is found on the iPhone, Titan II and many Samsung phones. It puts the wires behind the sensor, allowing more light to be received and once again, making brighter photos. We’ve wanted Nokia to do this for a very long time and now they have.
The Lumia 900, Lumia 920 and 808 PureView
Sensor size is also crucial. Here, the bigger the better and the fact is, most smartphones have tiny sensors. Why do some “pro” DSLRs cost so much? It’s because they have a giant sensor (it’s also why they’re so big). The Lumia 920 sports a 1/1.4” sensor that beats many phones who roll with a smaller 1/2.5”. That brings us to megapixels…
Photographers hate megapixel discussions because it’s all consumers focus on, instead of all of the above. It’s often the least important aspect as those pixels won’t improve your photo much. It’s good for cropping, yes, but other than that?
Nokia said they could have added more than the 8MP to that 1/1.4” sensor, as some of their competitors have on their devices. But as we mentioned last night, jamming more megapixels on a sensor can have negative consequences, like reduce image quality. The more pixels on a sensor, the more light you need to illuminate them all. In turn, cameras with high megapixel count tend to have worse low-light performance. That’s right folks, putting 16MP or 32MP into a camera can be a bad thing, especially if it’s on a small sensor.
No, Nokia took the good route here—the one that photographers would have preferred: larger, BSI sensor with less megapixels so there is less noise in low light conditions.
Throw in their whole “Floating lens”, which is a mechanical form of image stabilization (aka better than software based) and we’re talking a whole new category of a camera phone. I'VE seen some of the images and so far, I really like what we see. Expect more in the future
22. joseph98 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 15:01 2 2
Ok you said ( The more pixels on a sensor, the more light you need to illuminate them all). I say then put a xenon flash instead of LED and problem is solved as we all know that xenon deliver more light than LED and I know that xenon has a very short flash duration, typically 50 – 100microsec while LED has a longer period with a flash pulse of up to ~100msecs. I think Nokia need to solve this issue not me. And yes I want to use this extra MP for cropping. I am keeping my galaxy note 1 and no more toys for me unless samsung make something new with this WP8 because I didn't like Samsung ATIV smart phone neither. I still like Samsung Galaxy note 2 but I have the note 1 so I will wait for something new...Maybe GN3 or more promising WP8 than was released so far.
26. haseebzahid posted on 05 Sep 2012, 15:36 0 1
so Xeone u say it in ur comment it has typically 50-100microsec on time but i heard the lens of this camera stay on longer due to floating lens tech but dont know how long maybe reason is that more light + longer time the light = what this tech needed i dont say i am correct but i think it might be half truth
29. andygallo posted on 05 Sep 2012, 16:17 1 0
Correction, the 920 has a 1/3" sensor size...
...which is only slightly larger than the iPhone/SGS3's 1/3.2" sensor.
This would be my biggest single complaint about this camera: I wish Nokia put in at least a 1/2.5" sensor and flat out obliterated the competition. Other than that the specs look really good.
Agreed on the other points: it's more important to focus on sensor, aperture and lens quality rather than getting into another megapixel race. 8MP is plenty for a phone camera.
11. jos_031 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:31 6 4
The reflection contains both the camera man and the girl. If you remember the webcast, the output was shown with both digital stabilization and optical stabilization. Also in some part of the webcast they also showed a stand technology which holds the both devices. the reflection is having high probability that it is that setup. The article was really of low standard from phonearena. Just see the webcast link you posted once again before making hasty articles
17. sunco posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:55 3 0
Exactly what I think.. a special device with two (or three) cellphones
21. lsguntu posted on 05 Sep 2012, 14:51 0 0
You are spot on .I am surprised PA sent an email to Nokia about this.
24. haseebzahid posted on 05 Sep 2012, 15:32 0 0
PA is news web they need the hype no matter what it is if a phones burns in someones home this PA will have the news all over it and same goes with suspision here they will not verify but jump to conclusion
12. TylerGrunter posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:32 2 0
Ummm, it could be some external "camera stabilizer", to technically they would be still shooting with the Lumia 920 but getting better results than with just the " Optical Image Stabiliser" inside the phone.
So that people get an idea, something like this:
25. haseebzahid posted on 05 Sep 2012, 15:33 0 0
yes but there are still car bumps which it will take
13. blackeye117 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:37 1 0
well , i think its the same rig that we saw on one of the pictures before where it had SGIII and Nokia. May Guess is on that one ,
and yeah if you question the IS capabilities then dont bcoz nokia showed some other scenes of comparision as well .dont forget that
well that just my take on this one
14. nabkawe posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:43 2 1
Actually in that same picture it shows how you're just trolling , the girl is looking at the camera which at the time of this shot she's not looking at it ...
I'd say the phone was on the passenger seat ... which is cheating , but it's not the same level of cheating .
16. IliyaBeshkov posted on 05 Sep 2012, 13:52 0 0
I am little confused too about this frame from the nokia commercial... but don't blame them, because all smartphone companies are overrating there flagships too! Example: HTC with it's camera, Apple, Samsung... Everybody wants attention on their gadgets !!! Don't think I'm on the side on Nokia... just saying! :)
19. trollzsuck posted on 05 Sep 2012, 14:13 1 2
it's a camera man.
The add shows 2 people riding a bike...1 guy and 1 girl.
the video demos show the difference when the OIS is on and off (that video is from the lumia 920. The guy riding the bike is recording the girl on the bike)
the camera man is recording both of them riding bikes. IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM did they say that segment of the clip is recorded with the Lumia 920.
some of you are so stupid...now stop trolling.
23. LedWaters posted on 05 Sep 2012, 15:09 0 0
i think theyre using 2 phones at the same time, S3 vs Nokia 920 video recording?
27. devorama posted on 05 Sep 2012, 15:39 0 0
If you watch the video on youtube in 720P quality and pause it, you can see as it pans across that there is girl on a bike, and a white van with a camera man and a larger camera. There is no reflection of a man on a bike. So it does appear that the stabilized video was shot by the camera in the van, not on a bike. Perhaps the cameraman in the van was using a Nokia phone, but it does appear to be a large camera.
At any rate, the video is misleading because it wants you to believe the video was recorded by the man on the bicycle and not from a heavy van with shocks and struts.
28. devorama posted on 05 Sep 2012, 15:58 2 0
In their blog, they admit the video was not shot with the 920.
"Note: The Lumia 920 pictures in this post were taken using prototype hardware and software, and then reduced dramatically in size. In addition, the OIS video, above, was not shot using the Lumia 920."
32. blackeye117 posted on 06 Sep 2012, 15:58 0 0
Atleast they didnt say its your fault you confused your own self ,
you saw it wrong :D