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Various images of the dual camera module for the Apple iPhone 7 Plus surface

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Various images of the dual camera module for the Apple iPhone 7 Plus surface
Back in January, connected Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo proclaimed that a special version of the Apple iPhone 7 Plus will be available with dual cameras on the rear of the phablet. Kuo, who has been often right on the money with his calls, says that both lenses will weigh in at 12MP and will be produced by Sony. One lens will offer a wider aperture than the other. One of the camera modules will have OIS while the other will come with 2-3X optical zoom. Almost a year ago, Apple was given a patent for exactly this type of photographic setup.

Today, a photograph coming out of Taiwan allegedly shows us the dual camera system for the iPhone 7 Plus in all of its glory. The module contains two camera lenses, one on the left slightly larger in size than the other. Similar (but not exactly the same) parts have been discovered on other social media sites.

Now, we've asked you before to be cynical, or take certain stories with a grain of salt, and we ask you to do the same here. After all, there are no markings to indicate that any of the parts seen in the slideshow are actually intended for a special version of the iPhone 7 Plus. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't expect to see two camera lenses staring back at us on the rear of some models of the iPhone 7 Plus once the phone is unveiled this coming September.

The dual camera technology used by Apple for the iPhone 7 Plus could come from its acquisition last year of Israel's LinX. The technology offered by this company allows smartphones to produce photos with the quality of an SLR camera. The two lenses combine to provide a depth of field that can be used to produce 3D imaging.


source: Apple.club.tw (translated) via Chuansong.me (translated), Weibo via RedmondPie

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posted on 14 Mar 2016, 21:27 4

1. IAMBLCKJ3ZUS (Posts: 261; Member since: 29 Sep 2015)


Like I said before Sony is the Japanese God craftsman in these sensors. They can't be touch and are the best of the best. Every time a galaxy or a iPhone sales Sony still wins.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 21:45 5

4. vincelongman (Posts: 4249; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Except the Galaxys with ISOCELL sensors

We still haven't seen Samsung's BRITCELL sensors yet, which I believe is like ISOCELL but with RWB filter instead of the usual RGB filter
Its supposedly has huge improvements in sensitivity

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:25

54. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


more than half the S7 use sony sensor btw.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 01:32

67. vincelongman (Posts: 4249; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Cool I guess
Sony need to money

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 22:45 11

10. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


Samsung and apple are the only manufacturers that don't buy Sony made sensors. Both iPhones and galaxies have their custom made sensors fabbed by Sony. If you say those are Sony sensors, that's like saying A9 is Samsung chip, which is absolutely wrong.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 23:40

11. zeeBomb (Posts: 1978; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)


Well, Apple did dual source the A9 chipsets and they're both made by TSMC and Samsung, so...

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 00:24

12. AlikMalix (Posts: 5442; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Finally a man with proper sense. Great post.

Post # 11 from zeeBomb, please reread tyrion's post. Apple uses Samsung and tsmc as a worker to manufacture components that apple designed. Same with Sony.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 00:47 17

16. RajRicardo (Posts: 391; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)


#11 and #12 are the dumbest posts ever. Sony DESIGNS their own sensors. Stop comaring them to processors where Apple DESIGNS them and Samsung/TSMC manufactures them.

Here Sony gets no design inputs from Apple. If thats the case then Sony should not use those camera sensors in its smartphones/cameras which it does. Then according to you, samsung must use a A9 chip in its next flagship. :/ Stop being dumb for once.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 01:46 4

17. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)


@RajRicardo I think you misunderstood @AlikMalix. You're basically saying the same thing. Difference is you're being childish with your name calling which is completely uncalled for, and says a lot about your own character. Good luck with that.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 05:46 2

36. RajRicardo (Posts: 391; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)


@HonestRealist. I said #11 and #12 are dumb posts and not dumb people. So it doesnt mean the people posting them are. We all are dumb at some point in time just like you are being now. Go get a life and stop judgind peoples characters. What you did is name calling with @RajRicardo.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 06:27 1

41. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)


You done?

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:21 7

20. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


RajRicardo !

Those sensors are designed by Samsung, but fabbed by Sony as a custom Sensor.

FYI, Sony does NOT use the IMX260 sensor in it's phones. IMX260 is a custom Samsung-designed sensor which Sony fabricated under Samsung's command.

It's like passing a command at a grocery store, but showing a prototype to the baker, telling the baker to make the cake according to the form or shape you want the cake to be, not according to the baker's usual form of cakes he sells.

Apple too designs it's sensors, then sends the prototype to Sony, and Sony manufactures it according to Apple's demand. And that custom-made sensor is exclusively for Apple itself, even Sony can't use it in it's phones.

Simple!

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 05:43 3

35. RajRicardo (Posts: 391; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)


Seriously guys?? Samsung designed sensors are called BRITCELL/ISOCELL sensors. Sony designed sensors start with IMX###. If Samsung wants their designs manufactured, they can simply ask sony to manufature their BRITCELL sensor for the S7 and not the IMX260. Sony is not just a manufacturing company and has its own designs that many other anroid manufacturers are using inside their smartphones. And yes sony cant use the same sensor with their phones coz thats how agreements are made between companies and Sony Mobile and Sony Imaging divisions are totally independent. Hence sony just changes the sensor name and uses them in their flagships.

Just google before trying getting into keyboard warrior mode. :/

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 06:29

42. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)


You sir, are not the brightest star in the universe now are you?

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:29 1

56. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Samsung designed nothing!

They gave a list of thing they wanted to Sony ( features , sensor size ect ) and Sony designed it fully ence the name ( IMX260 ) If its was only manufactured by Sony they would use Samsung names just like Apple SOC have there own name.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:23 5

21. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


Apple and Samsung sensors are not Sony designs. Sony can't sell them to others since they are custom sensors.

Yes, Sony makes their own Exmor RS series with their own designs. They are available to use by anyone who wishes to pay for them. But Sony can't sell IMX 260 sensor to LG since it's a Samsung designed sensor. Same with the iPhone sensor.

That's why you won't find IMX 260 on Sony website. But you will fond all the other sensors like the IMX 377 in nexus 6p or IMX 298 in mi5.

Sony can't use the sensors it provides to Apple or Samsung in its own phones. Sony phones have different sensors.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 04:12 7

30. kabiluddin (Posts: 184; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


Again you are distorting facts to fit your arguments in order to undermine Sony. The design, tech and the manufacturing process all of these are Sony's own. Big manufacturer just ask Sony to make custom made camera sensor for them. Sony wouldn't sell these custom made sensor to other manufacturer because these big companies make sure in their contract that it should be exclusive to their own device. Custom made sensor are usually higher priced that other sensor and it takes lots of volume to recover the cost. Only Rich and big customer can afford to request these kind of order. Sony is unlike TSMC and Samsung semiconductor because Sony did not just manufacture the design Sony made their own sensor design and manufacturer it. Big customer can make specific request what kind of sensor they want for them. That's it.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 04:49 4

31. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


Sure, if Sony designed the sensor, why isn't it on Sony's site?

For all I know IMX240 and IMX260 is a Sony fabbed ISOCELL. And if it was Sony designed sensor, then how is the Samsung sensor so identical in performance.

Big customers provide the design and Sony fabs them. Sony sensors are great and I'm not trying to undermine them in any way. In fact, IMX 377 is better than the sensor in S7. But IMX260 is not Sony designed sensor, for better or for worse.

Samsung gave the specification of duo-pixel and Sony made them. That's the exact same thing as what TSMC does when apple gives them design.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 06:40 1

43. Djz89 (Posts: 297; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)


Lets just all agree SOny makes really good sensors..

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 06:52

44. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


That was never the point.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 09:25 1

51. Lyngdoh (Posts: 240; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


If ISOCELL sensors are designed by Samsung and fab by Sony then they would be called ISOCELL but IMX260 is designed and manufactured by Sony that's why they are called IMX. If Sony can call ISOCELL as IMX, then according to your logic, Samsung can call Snapdragon chips and A9 as Exynos

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:33

58. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Because Sony cannot put custom sensor on the website another part of the agreement they have when they sign the contract to design a custom sensor for another OEM.. omg some ppl are truly dumb and manipulator!

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:34

59. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Samsung did not invent duo-pixel sensor so you just trashed yourself.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 12:20

66. kabiluddin (Posts: 184; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


Sorry for the late response. I became extremely busy after posting that comment. So I could not reply it sooner ( Now I really wish I were not that busy)

Now then, Sony also designed and manufacturer the IMX298 which is used by both Xiaomi's and Huawei's flagship device. But you wouldn't find it on Sony's site. So what does that tell you ? Are you going to me that Both Xiaomi's and Huawei's engineers joined forces to design the IMX298 and Sony just manufacturer it? If I follow all the argument you put the answer will be Yes, Xiaomi and Huawei jointly designed the sensor and Sony just fabbed it because you wouldn't find it on Sony's sensor.

Plus, Lyngdoh #51 said it nicely in his comment. Branding is important. If Apple really did design their camera sensor they would emphasize and advertise the f**k out of it just they did with their A series SoC. There are other logic I can present here but I'll reserve this for future articles, ( hopefully I wouldn't be busy that date )

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 05:53

39. RajRicardo (Posts: 391; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)


Now read. All those are Sony custom made sensors. Go to the far right end of the page and click on list. You can see the phones that used the Sony MADE/DESIGNED sensor. Note that Sony mobile and Sony imaging are two different businesses. During agreements itself manufacturers make sure that they get unique image sensors as they are paying a lot. Unlike Lg, the used IMX234 in their G4 so does the ZTE Nubia series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 06:54 3

45. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


I can edit that wiki article to say the opposite. Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information, Mr. Knowitall

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:36 3

60. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Tyrion Wikipedia is more reliable than you.

All you are good at is manipulate the word and try to downgrade others.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:32 3

57. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


As said before google it before speaking the only reason IMX 260 is not sold to others is because its was designed by Sony as an exclusive for Samsung thats how company make deal and sign contract.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:29 3

22. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Don't mind AlikMalix, he's bit weird.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 05:30

33. AlikMalix (Posts: 5442; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Explain...

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 06:23

40. Carbo (Posts: 26; Member since: 07 Aug 2015)


Mongoose is a custom processor by Samsung, and used in the Exynos 8890.
They didn't use formal ARM design.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 07:03

46. SYSTEM_LORD (Posts: 500; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)


That's not true, Tyrion. Samsung and Apple don't design their sensors. They might request specifications, but Sony is still the designer.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 07:10

47. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


If Samsung can make their own sensors, why can't they design one. Anatomy dual sources their sensors. They would want them to be exact same ones to not create discrepancy.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 07:40

48. RajRicardo (Posts: 391; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)


They can/did design their own sensors but they dont have the manufacturing strength. Sony has 1. Their own manufacturing units and 2. Their own sensor designs which are the best in industry.
So Samsung
1. Used their custom made BRITCELL sensors in one set of S7 series phones to cut costs.
2. Outsourced the rest to Sony which made IMX### so that they can meet the demand in time for the S7 launch.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 07:59 1

49. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


S7 doesn't have BRITECELL LOL. BRITECELL may come next year though.

Exactly that's what happened as you said. But Sony was given the instructions on the sensor as it should be similar to the ISOCELL Samsung made.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:40

62. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Yep they gave stuff like : aperture size they want , sensor size and others feature but its Sony thats designed them.

Its like ordering a Pizza!

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:39

61. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


We did not said they cannot design one we said thats when they get them from Sony they just give spec and features they want and Sony design it.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:27

55. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


You are wrong.

They use custom sensor yes but they are mostly build with Sony tech with some addition in the case of the S7.

They basically gave the isocell tech to Sony and asked them to build a custom sensor with it and Sony tech.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:49

65. cleatglitch (Posts: 69; Member since: 25 May 2013)


all you guys need some fiber...\(°0°)/

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:30

23. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)


PA why u making such BOOM from dual camera just because it is for ape but honor 6 plus had it sanctuaries ago and now Huawei P9 gonna have it and u haven't written even one sentence about it ?

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 05:33

34. AlikMalix (Posts: 5442; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Because, there's a chance that apple's version could be used for completely different thing... I have my doubts, but that's just me.

Also, if you ask 10 people about Hiway, about 9 will say they have no idea what you're talking about. You ask 10 people about iPhone and 10 people will tell you what it is.

Besides how is Hiway using their "dual" camera? What are they doing with it?

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:41

63. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


What i saw as features from the suposed dual camera setup for future apple product sound like a copy of what the G5 bring to the table today..

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 02:13

68. AlikMalix (Posts: 5442; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Then I'll be the first to call it a gimmick.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 21:37 6

2. vincelongman (Posts: 4249; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Can't wait to see these in action!

Hopefully its to improve image quality
Not just bokeh effect or wide angle

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 00:42 3

14. AlikMalix (Posts: 5442; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


That's exactly what I'm thinking and worried about. Worried because Apple is now capable of doing something gimmicky like Live Photos. I'll be greatly disappointed if this is for some 3D photos or some fish eye wide angle like it is in LG G5. Parallax effect on photos would be cool - but like Live Photos - fun for a day or two then no one uses it.

This dual lens thing better be for improving photo quality, maybe some depth field measuring or something. Or at least for macro-shots or tilt shift effect in videos (the real kind, not the after effects you can add with an app). Just keep improving the cameras and forget the gimmicky stuff. Thank you.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 21:41 4

3. joeytaylor (Posts: 430; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


Unless your phone has a ISOCELL then it's even better

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 22:17 3

7. IAMBLCKJ3ZUS (Posts: 261; Member since: 29 Sep 2015)


Have you seen xda in the s7 people are mad if they get the samsung sensor.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:42 5

25. Settings (Posts: 1530; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


ISOCELL in S5 was a joke.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 05:48

38. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1498; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)


but it was still better than M8's camera tho

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 11:43

64. marorun (Posts: 3428; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Ultrapixel was a fail at the time because its had too low amount of them..

a 12 ultra pixel camera would had killed... oh wait its comming :P

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 21:55 1

6. Unordinary (Posts: 1444; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


Am I the only one who is sick and tired of "leaks". I mean, let me rephrase this. Leaks on PA to be specific. Seems like a chimpanzee can post a "leak" and PA would still write about it.

Love the website :) Just tired of the same ol' iPhone articles.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 22:24 4

8. NoToFanboys (Posts: 1329; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


No, you are not the only one who's sick of these "leaks"

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 00:45 1

15. AlikMalix (Posts: 5442; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


I don't take any seriously until Apple actually shows the real thing. But it is something to read on Apple - which is better than nothing.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 01:51

18. Wiencon (Posts: 1826; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)


You're better off reading Macrumors or 9to5, they don't post everything some minor chinese site posted

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:10 2

19. vincelongman (Posts: 4249; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Not defending PA, but both Macrumors or 9to5 also posted this story

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/14/iphone-7-plus-dual-camera-module/
http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/13/purported-iphone-7-chassis-pictures-show-redesigned-antenna-lines-new-larger-camera/

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:30

24. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


@vincelongman

Don't mind Wiencon, he loves to bash PhoneArena and make this site look retarded on each and every opportunity he finds.

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 02:58

26. Wiencon (Posts: 1826; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)


I actually defended PA on many occasions especially with those low ratings for chinese phones
But ok, I might have sounded like rude towards them

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 03:00

27. Wiencon (Posts: 1826; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)


My bad, but they didn't report on this vid earlier yesterday that looked obviously fake

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 03:18 1

28. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Low Chinese phones ratings? Okay.

What about the LG V10 and Xperia Z5 getting 7/10? Is it fair?

Come on, man!

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 03:49 1

29. Wiencon (Posts: 1826; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)


Eh, I didn't say anything about those phones, seems like you have some beef with me so I'll leave now

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