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Samsung says Apple stole some of its technology for the Apple iPhone

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Samsung says Apple stole some of its technology for the Apple iPhone
"Samsung has been researching and developing mobile telecommunications technology since at least as early as 1991 and invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones. Indeed, Apple, which sold its first iPhone nearly twenty years after Samsung started developing mobile phone technology, could not have sold a single iPhone without the benefit of Samsung‘s patented technology."-Samsung court filing
Them thar's fightin' words! After a brief from Apple's camp revealed on Tuesday that the Cuppertino based firm wants $2.525 billion from Samsung to cover what the Korean based manufacturer "unjustly enriched" itself with by using Apple patents, Apple might have insulted Samsung by claiming that Sammy's patents are worth about a half-cent each, at most. Samsung's filing, partially released today by the Wall Street Journal, is a history of the mobile phone industry. Samsung tells Apple that it wouldn't have sold one Apple iPhone had it not stolen Samsung's technology.

Some interesting passages include Samsung's claim that Apple sold its first smartphone 20 years after Samsung first developed the technology that made the mobile phone possible. Samsung claims that some of the impetus for the Apple iPhone's design came from a story about Sony products that was in the public domain. In the story, the Sony designer discussed its products that fit in the hand, lacked buttons, were "square with a screen" and had rounded-out corners.

"Apple‘s utility patents relate to ancillary features that allow users to perform trivial touch screen functions, even though these technologies were developed and in widespread use well before Apple entered the mobile device market in 2007. Samsung does not infringe any of Apple‘s patents and has located dead-on prior art that invalidates them."-Samsung court filing
An interesting paragraph from the filing touches on Apple's penchant for commercializing other firms' technology. Samsung also pointed out that in 2006, well before the Apple iPhone was introduced, the Korean manufacturer had internal documents showing rectangular phones with rounded corners, front faces that were flat and graphic interfaces using grid layouts for icons. Samsung adds that in the Summer of 2006, again before the introduction of the Apple iPhone, Samsung started to design its next-gen handsets. Samsung engineers started to work around the concept of a round rectangular body with a large screen taking up much of the space, and one physical button. The point being made by Samsung is that it had already had this design in place before the iPhone was introduced. Samsung says it did not change its design after the introduction of the Apple iPhone.

In the filing, Samsung says that Apple relied "heavily" on Samsung technology to enter the mobile phone business and it still does today. Apple buys some parts for its smartphone from Samsung and the filing lists both the flash and main memory as well as the applications processor. And while there is nothing wrong with that, Samsung claims that some of its patented technology is being used by Apple without paying for it. After Apple released products that use the two Samsung patents at issue in the trial, Samsung says it offered Apple a cross-licensing deal similar to what most other major players in the industry agreed to. Unlike the others who had signed the deal with Samsung, Apple's position was that the Samsung patents were un-enforcable, which brings us to this patent battle in front of Judge Lucy Koh that will start at the end of this month.
"Apple relied heavily on Samsung‘s technology to enter the telecommunications space, and it continues to use Samsung‘s technology to this day in its iPhone and iPad products. For example, Samsung supplies the flash memory, main memory, and application processor for the iPhone. . . . But Apple also uses patented Samsung technology that it has not paid for. This includes standards-essential technology required for Apple‘s products to interact with products from other manufacturers, and several device features that Samsung developed for use in its products."-Samsung court filing
source: WSJ

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posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:00 10

1. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 348; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Wrestling of lawsuits,a curse for innovation........

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 13:15 4

40. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)


and a small hope for nokia...lolzzz

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:03 18

2. darkvadervip (Posts: 291; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


Now samsung wants to bring this up. I wish HTC would take Samsung to court over copying HTC SENSE with TOUCH WIZ.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:12 18

6. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


Yep - Samsung totally ripped off 'Sense' and their fans says Touchwiz doesn't suck anymore (used to be a cheap knock off of iOS) and it's even better than Sense - LMAO. Those idiots make me laugh really hard.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 14:33 6

48. taz89 (Posts: 2009; Member since: 03 May 2011)


lol did someone seriously say that tw is a ripoff of sense.lol made my day the 2 dont even look anything a like let alone an icon

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 13:43 19

44. pkiran1996 (Posts: 162; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)


You are either a HTC fanboy or extremely stupid and ignorant. If you think TouchWiz looks anything like Sense then you need your eyes examining.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:44 6

75. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Along with his head.....

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 17:33 10

65. xcasasx (Posts: 24; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


Bro HTC and samsung are alies the eenemy here is apple

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:04 31

3. bloodline (Posts: 691; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


samsung has a point

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:09 12

4. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


i never knew any samsung mobile technology existed back in 1991. what i remember is our samsung flat iron back then. if talking about mobile technology, motorola is well ahead that time with their microtac, only 8 years before nokia came in.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:15 7

7. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


LMAO - yep. Motorola, Nokia, Ericsson did all the work. Samsung ripped off their work for years. I love the way how Samsung is trying to take some credit in an Apple like way.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:21 5

9. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Why ripped? Maybe they are paying patent charges?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:26 7

13. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


read it over - "invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones." Samsung totally sounds like Apple. They are no different. They both are thieves and liars.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:38 6

15. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Have you read what I have wrote in comment #9 ?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 12:21 3

22. superguy (Posts: 269; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


And you have proof of this where?

Otherwise, stop trolling.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 12:46 4

30. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Why don't you read the article to find the 'proof'? He quoted straight from this article.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 14:17 4

46. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"He quoted straight from this article."

And how this quotation proves that Samsung ripped Motorola's, Nokia's, Ericsson's work ???

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 15:43 3

52. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


I'll make it easy for you. Name one single thing that Samsung made first ( I guess that's what's called innovation)

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 16:04

54. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


It is not about who made it first! Maybe Samsung is paying patent charges? Have you thinked about that?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 16:08 4

55. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


HAHAHA. Have you even read what Samsung said -

"INVENTED much of the technology for today‘s smartphones"

That's the funniest quote of this year.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 16:27

57. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"...invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones."

"Have you even read what Samsung said"

Yes, I have! And what is wrong with this quotation?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 16:35 3

59. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


I'll ask it again since you keep dodging the point.

Name one single thing that Samsung INVENTED as they are claiming

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 16:53 2

60. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


schecter7 says that:

"Motorola, Nokia, Ericsson did all the work. Samsung ripped off their work for years."

Also schecter7 has quoted:

"...invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones."

And you (dmn666) say that this quotation is 'proof':

"Why don't you read the article to find the 'proof'? He quoted straight from this article."

So, question for you (dmn666), HOW THIS QUOTATION PROVES THAT Samsung RIPPED Motorola's, Nokia's, Ericsson's WORK ???

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 19:31

88. calfonso1278 (Posts: 5; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)


Check Who is the real Copycat !!!!

#1
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57493333-37/samsung-keeps-prior-art-parade-marching-against-apple/

#2

http://news.cnet.com/2300-13579_3-10013362.html

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 12:25 4

24. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Since their components are in so many smartphones... they sort of did?
Did I miss something?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 12:49 2

32. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


components? do you understand the diff. between a smartphone and a dumb phone? It's the OS itself (made by Google not Samsung). There are tons of components makers - there is not a single component that's made by one single company.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 12:57 5

33. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Do you even understand what I'm saying in the first place? I don't think you do.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 12:58 2

34. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


I totally did - I said by making components you can't invent smartphones.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 14:27 5

47. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


No you don't.
The difference between a smart phone and a dumb phone is not the OS itself. It's whether or not it can do more than just simple features (call/text), which is commonly referred to as feature phones.

There are tons of component manufacturers, yes, but the fact that components within Apple products using Samsung technology doesn't change, does it? Samsung is now part of the device when they made its components, no? Now if said components held patented technology which Apple does not have, isn't Apple patent infringing?

Also, this doesn't mean Samsung components are limited to smartphones, they can be in feature phones as well.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 15:42 3

51. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


which component in iphone is fully/solely made by Samsung?

Processor? - wrong - it's designed by Apple itself just like Snapdragons/OMAPs are designed by QC & TI

Memory? nope - supplied by multiple suppliers

Flash memory? ditto

Screen - LMAO

Anything else you wanna add?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 17:07 4

63. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


I don't know about you but...
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-makes-26-of -the-iPhone-4s-components-says-infographic_id21206
And this is just the 4S, when they started moving to other manufacturers.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 17:33 3

66. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Wrong again - whatever I said applies to iphone 4 as well

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-4-Verizon-Teardown/4693/2

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 17:57 5

69. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Okay you're clearly an idiot. I thought of that site first but it doesn't even give you a complete breakdown of everything. It just disassembles it and tells you the part they SEE.
In case you didn't notice, they avoid even telling you who manufactured the processor.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 18:15 4

71. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Can't edit for some reason but apparently any other site that will give you a complete breakdown on the components used will show that almost all expensive parts come from Samsung. Face it, Apple has been buying parts from Samsung since day 1.
I'm not gonna bother with your ignorant little sh*t anymore.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 19:06 3

73. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


What a jackass. It's clearly saying

"Apple A4 Processor"

Every expensive part is clearly labeled there unless you're looking for screws and glues.

There is no exclusive samsung part, idiot. Go find one. Don't f**king reply to someone if you can't back your s**t up.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:48 1

77. SEUL8TR (banned) (Posts: 30; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)


This look's like Taco50.....

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 17:28 1

64. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Quotation from Samsung’s trial brief:

"... could not have sold a single iPhone without the benefit of Samsung‘s patented technology."

Samsung is talking about patented technology, but they don't say taht it is an material component or part of device, for example it may be an manufacturing technology or something like that... And since we don't know about what exactly Samsung is talking about, please leave all your rhetorics about components away...

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 17:36 2

67. dmn666 (Posts: 194; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


"...invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones."

You FAILED to provide one single example to validate their claim -

Then you said what's wrong with the quote. LMAO

Have a nice day.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 17:51 1

68. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


NO! I think that it is you FAILED because you have skipped my question in post #46 also you have skipped my question in post #57 and also you have skipped my question in post #60. And finally you are ignoring what I have wrote in post #64.

In other words you are just twisting your tail out of situation, YOU FAILED!

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:24 5

11. cptbeatstix (Posts: 101; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


Samsung deserves to fight this. A company that uses some of their tech and then sues them for "supposed" patent violations is worthless. Apple needs to calm down before it sets all its bridges on fire.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 19:33

89. calfonso1278 (Posts: 5; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)


Check Who is the real Copycat !!!!

#1
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57493333-37/samsung-keeps-prior-art-parade-marching-against-apple/

#2

http://news.cnet.com/2300-13579_3-10013362.html

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 20:45 1

76. SEUL8TR (banned) (Posts: 30; Member since: 24 Jul 2012)


No, wait. is it, could it be? i'm confused! nooooo, no
wait paradoxes side by side....! Taco50 it's u! diffrent
name, another acount.....! that stupid i$he?p is back....

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 06:22

85. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5464; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Resurrection :D

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 21:45

79. nicholassss (Posts: 348; Member since: 10 May 2012)


it seems like Samsung saying it in a way to make people realize how silly apple sounds.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 00:16 1

82. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Patents are inventions. Go see how many patents Apple and Samsung invented. You are an idiot if you think Motorola, Nokia, Ericsson, invented the mobile phone. A mobile phone contains vast number of different technologies ranging from LCDs to integrated circuits to Flash memory. Surely Motorola/Nokia/Ericsson didn't "invent" LCDs, flash memories, integrated circuits. No one company "invented" a mobile phone. It's just a mere evolutionary process starting from the first telephone.

Sure Motorola, Nokia, and Ericsson had large contributions in the early days, but Samsung now produces the SoC, flash memories, OLEDS, etc. It's not a stretch to say that Samsung has contributed as much as other mobile phone companies to the current landscape of the smartphone industry. And look what happened now? Motorola Nokia and Ericsson can't even compete with Samsung, let alone HTC.

So Samsung is trying to take some credit? I surely think that they deserve it. And as for "first to do it", who do you think it was that brought polyphonic sounds and mp3 playing capabilities to the mobile phones?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:10 14

5. sarb009 (Posts: 284; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Apple and stealing no way man. They only innovate and revolutionize the world by the technologies which exist years before coming into their devices. But as they come from apple(by hook or crook / by stealing or buying the small companies) these are inventions not stealing.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:47 2

17. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


There is nothing wrong with buying companies.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 23:55

81. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


normally they buy the companies AFTER they infringe on their products to keep from being sued.

Unless your the guy that invented the ipod.. in the /80s long before apple was anywhere near the music game... then apple rips it off lock-stock-n barrel and claims innocence. What did the guy get? Oh, he had the pleasure of being tricked into helping DEFEND apple against another company's claim that Apple ripped the ipod off of them, and then right after he helped win the court case, was publicly disemvowed and told by good ol Steve Jobs that he wasnt the inventor of the product, Apple was.. 20 years later. Thank god Apple invented time traveling, right?

He had no money for good lawyers to sue Apple.. and after all his back n forth he got a free ipod out of the deal... which broke within a year. They wouldnt even replace it for him.

Yaaaay apple!!

posted on 27 Jul 2012, 07:30

87. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


link or it didn't happen.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:20 11

8. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


Two biggest copycats of the history (Samsung and Apple) are suing each other. It's extremely entertaining. Samsung and Apple never invented a crap - never. While Apple is smart enough to hide its work under shiny layers, cheapo Samsung keeps getting caught off-guard. I remember Samsung even copied the appstore icon and put that on their banner - I can't think of anything that could be more embarrassing.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:48 5

18. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


excelent comment +1

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:22 4

10. MeoCao (unregistered)


Boy, this is hilarious.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:26 11

12. Zayuh24 (Posts: 148; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


I said it once and I'll say it again, Do NOT bite the hand that feeds you! Common sense!

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:33 5

14. cptbeatstix (Posts: 101; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Sammy pulls their tech from Apple.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 13:10 3

38. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


@cptbeatstix: Apple would just turn elsewhere. Samsung isn't irreplaceable you know. Plus, Samsung doesn't take these patent wars as personally as all you whining bit**es. It's just business, and while it brings Sammy money, they'll provide parts.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 13:15 3

39. cptbeatstix (Posts: 101; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


Dude you need to calm down. Stop getting so worked up over someone's opinion. I know that they aren't irreplaceable, but their quality is. Why do you think Apple uses them in the first place. Plus, with the amount of grief that Samsung has been getting from Apple, a lot of companies that make processors and what not while be very hesitant to do a contract with them. Take a chill pill dude, this stuff isn't worth having a heart attack over.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 13:27 3

42. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


I am perfectly calm, thank you. It's you whom I'm concerned about ;-) I still think that Samsung will not stop providing for Apple just because of the patent wars. You think that business is like kindergarten: when one kid slaps another, the other won't invite them to their birthday party? I'm against talking about OS's and phone companies as if you are defending your own country, and calling the other OS's users "fans" or "sheep" (the last sentence doesn't refer to you, it's only an opinion).

Good day sir.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 13:41 1

43. cptbeatstix (Posts: 101; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


We're not talking about slaps now. We're talking about a company being sued for billions of dollars. So yes, there could be a possibility of samsung pulling their tech from them. I'm not predicting it wil happen, but if Apple wins the the suit and gets the money, don't be surprised when Sammy pulls it. I would do business with someone I provide hardware for sued me for "infringing" on their patent and wanting more money than what the pay for hardware.

Good day to you too.

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 14:46 1

49. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


All Samsung really has to do is charge for price of components and the patents they come with. Then sue for every device held accountable. Apple likes bragging about their sales every keynote right?

posted on 25 Jul 2012, 11:55 7

19. Aeires (unregistered)


Apple's biggest mistake was thinking Samsung was going to be a push-over. History will look back on this as one of Apple's biggest mistakes.

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