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Samsung ATIV Q launch delayed by patent infringement issues?

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Samsung ATIV Q launch delayed by patent infringement issues?
The Samsung ATIV Q is an amazing piece of hardware. It is fast, functional, versatile, and we had quite a lot of fun while giving it the review treatment. Yet even though it has been two months since the hybrid was announced, those who want to buy one are still stuck throwing money at their computer's screen. That's because the Samsung ATIV Q isn't yet available for purchase, and a recent report by Korean media sheds some light on what might be causing the hold-up.

Word has it that the Samsung ATIV Q can't be launched as it infringes on patents related to running two operating systems on the same device. For those who need a refresher, the slate can not only runs both Windows 8 and Android 4.2, but also lets the user switch instantly back and forth between them without the need for a reboot. Reportedly, the issue is so serious that Samsung may end up cancelling the ATIV Q release. That might explain why the Samsung ATIV Q is nowhere to be found on the company's web page for ATIV-branded products.

Of course, the report might be inaccurate, so take what you just read with a pinch of salt. We'll update you as soon as we learn more on the matter.

source: Naver (Translated) via G 4 Games

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posted on 23 Aug 2013, 07:55 9

1. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2111; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


But nice hybrid and nice switchable option. Please Sammy do not cancel.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 08:14 3

7. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3521; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yeah that would be a real shame if they did cancel this sexy machine!

+1

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 18:03

25. vincelongman (Posts: 643; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Agreed,
Also I thought the ATIV Q runs Android in a virtual machine, which is very different to dual boot.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 07:57 3

2. Atlas (Posts: 154; Member since: 15 Apr 2012)


Who owns the patent?

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 11:16 3

15. flynfree (Posts: 373; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)


I guess, apple, their best and greedy patent enemy!

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 07:58 1

3. pwnarena (Posts: 721; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


that explains why no other company has done it yet. samsung dared and is now facing the hurdle. hopefully, it gets away with it. we certainly want computers that can boot to operating systems.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 08:01 3

4. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Who owns this patent though? Half finished article.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 08:09 4

5. crazymonkey05 (Posts: 87; Member since: 20 Nov 2012)


The only company I know that would file the patent is Asus because the have the dual booting transformer pad booting android and windows

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 12:10 3

16. rd_nest (Posts: 606; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


I find it highly improbable that someone would be awarded a patent to use same hardware for 2 different OS. Myself and countless others have been doing it for years/decades.

You know company VMware would go out of business just for a single patent, and you won't have anything like Hyper-V.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 08:12 5

6. deewinc (Posts: 118; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


Patent for running two operating systems on a device? What kind of patent is that!!!

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 18:01

24. vincelongman (Posts: 643; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Its almost as bad as the patents on rounded rectangles, wedge shaped laptops and slide to unlock

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 08:23 1

8. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 813; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


That's complete bull. Giving the consumer the option of having both OS would be awesome.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 08:28

9. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 1447; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


C'mon. ..it doesn't look anything like an ipAd....

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 08:48

10. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 854; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


I was happy about the Q for no reason.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 09:09

11. Wiki_jaan (Posts: 661; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)


samsung can still make it available by seprating launch of ativ q ..... one with windows and other with android

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 10:01 3

12. PhoneCritic (Posts: 331; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


If I'm not mistaken Microsoft owns that Patent. Dual booting windows 95 & windows XP if you recall. Microsoft does not want Windows and Android on the same box because if it's a windows Box you must use windows applications for your task and not Android apps which can be for free or a small fee of 0.99 to 50.00.

MS office ranges from 89.00, for student edition, all the way to 300.00 plus for enterprise. Think if business got hold of this - they would migrate to Google docs since it is cheaper.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 10:26 4

13. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


quite literally the dumbest argument ever sputtered by someone whose user name has phone and critic in it

what is stopping me from using google docs RIGHT NOW on my windows 8 machine?

nothing

absolutely nothing

whats stopping me from dual booting android RIGHT NOW in my windows 8 machine?

absolutely nothing

if you really think that MS is blocking this because of google docs then you've never heard of openoffice

my system is quadbooted with win8, kali linuz, android 4.3 and meego

try to think beyond MS and google

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 15:15 1

18. PhoneCritic (Posts: 331; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


No need to be insulting. I did say if I'm not Mistaken maybe I am but I remember this controversy in the early and late 90 between Linux and MS ( and Android is based on Linux ).

Here are links

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-stop-linux-older-windows-from-running-on-windows-8-pcs/9589

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/01/12/the-nightmare-that-keeps-microsoft-awake-android-on-the-desktop/

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20110203/microsoft-patent-reveals-fast-boot-dual-boot-hybrid/

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 16:55

23. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


a zdnet fud article from 2011 that was proven wrong

a forbes article from a totally unbiased author (heavy sarcasm)

and another article from 2011 for something that MS implemented in win8 called hybrid shut down

way to reinforce your points...

good job

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 15:24

20. ibap (Posts: 675; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


gazmatic - that sounds absolutely cool. Can you point us to more info on how you're doing that?

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 16:12

21. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


first you have to download the images...

it is best to have windows installed first otherwised your entire boot config will be deleted

install your version of linux next on a partition... (be careful, you can wipe your hard drive and delete your data)

while in linux make another partition and install either android or meego or just stay with windows and linux

i use partition assistant to manage my partitions.... if you have any experience with linux this will help a bunch

it also helps to have a 4gb usb drive...

use linux live usb creator or win32disk imager to make your boot usb

it is important to have a machine that can boot from usb....

here are some links...

http://sdrv.ms/19PtMz2

http://android-x86.googlecode.com/files/android-x86-4.3-20130725.iso

http://distrowatch.com/

http://android.appstorm.net/how-to/rooting-and-roms/how-to-install-android-on-your-pc/

http://wiki.meego.com/Installation_of_MeeGo_on_notebook

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 16:14

22. gazmatic (Posts: 502; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


first you have to download the images...

it is best to have windows installed first otherwise your entire boot config will be deleted

install your version of linux next on a partition... (be careful, you can wipe your hard drive and delete your data)

while in linux make another partition and install either android or meego or just stay with windows and linux

i use partition assistant to manage my partitions.... if you have any experience with linux this will help a bunch

it also helps to have a 4gb usb drive...

use linux live usb creator or win32disk imager to make your boot usb

it is important to have a machine that can boot from usb....

here are some links...

http://sdrv.ms/19PtMz2

http://android-x86.googlecode.com/files/android-x86-4.3-20130725.iso

http://distrowatch.com/

http://android.appstorm.net/how-to/rooting-and-roms/how-to-install-android-on-your-pc/

http://wiki.meego.com/Installation_of_MeeGo_on_notebook

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 10:27 5

14. cool8man (Posts: 3; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


I'll pay them extra if they remove Android for me. This device doesn't dual boot, you cannot boot into Android, it just runs Android in a window on Windows 8.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 14:30

17. warren24 (Posts: 19; Member since: 02 Apr 2013)


I'm going to ask for someone to edit this article, the source.

Naver is korean portal, much like yahoo.
The artice is from ZD Net Korea,
Naver simply republisehd it.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 15:23

19. ibap (Posts: 675; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


Easy answer - release the device with Windows 8 and 'leak' the Android add-on.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 22:46 1

26. Taters (Posts: 2403; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


According to some guy from the Samsung store, it is because Microsoft doesn't want stupid people thinking that the Surface can run every Android app like the Ativ Q can. Apparently the solution is going to be that the Ativ Q does not launch with Android preloaded and it has to be sideloaded.

I know there is a chance this guy doesn't know s**t and made it up but it sounds reasonable enough. If I was Microsoft, I wouldn't want Android muddying the waters anymore than the differences between RT and PRO already does.

However, if Samsung does drop the Ativ Q just to appease Microsoft, Microsoft better give them something back like help them screw Apple over or something.

It does make sense though. I don't think Samsung is allowed to just change Windows 8

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 22:52

27. Taters (Posts: 2403; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Having Android apps deeply integrated in the Windows 8 UI is probably breaking some of Microsoft's licensing rules.

posted on 29 Aug 2013, 14:38

28. LM711 (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Aug 2013)


Yea I think the 2 operating systems is cool .... but not really needed. Id rather it just be a windows 8 and have them up the RAM to 8GB and a 256 SSD then it would really be high end and a lot more useful

posted on 06 Sep 2013, 14:17

29. Bariq0 (Posts: 1; Member since: 06 Sep 2013)


I don't give a slight S**t about patents. I will say this as a consumer who wants this tablet really bad: "Shut up and take my money!"

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