Pantech’s second generation Vega Note may be first to use Qualcomm’s 64-bit Snapdragon 810
As we reported last month, the Snapdragon 810 is a beast, utilizing the big.LITTLE design and incorporating an Adreno 430 GPU. This chipset will handle 4K video at 30 frame-per-second, and LTE-Advanced up to 300Mbps.
Qualcomm announced that this silicon will be available to manufacturers later this year, with the expectation that we will see devices equipped with the new processors sometime in the first half of 2015. What is notable about the reports coming out of Asia is that this new Pantech will be released in the second half of this year.
The new Vega Note is said to have a 6-inch 1440x2560 display to show off all the graphic prowess of the new chipset. There may also be some features to help keep the motor cool while being put to work. Pantech’s flagships typically do not see wide distribution outside of Asia, so while it may make headlines if it is the first to debut a new Vega Note with a new Snapdragon 810, we are not holding our breath that it will make its way stateside.
sources: BodNara (translated) via G4Games and IntoMobile
1. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
So Qualcomm 810 chips will be available to manufacturers this year, but supposedly not available in production volume until next year. And 805 chips are starting to ship in a few months? It seems that the 801 chip really could have been skipped.
2. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
So there is not a single Oems using straight A15 quad core socs without A7
4. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3881; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Because A15 is so power consuming that your battery would die with an hour of use without the A7 cores.
7. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
I know but just imagine how powerful it would be
52. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3881; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
It would be just as powerful as current A15 SoCs with big.Little. Just because there are A7 cores doesn't mean the A15 cores can't use their full potential. If anything, the SoCs using big.Little and heterogeneous multi-processing are more powerful than just straight A15 SoCs, because not only can all the A15 cores be on, but the A7 cores can be used with them.
23. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
did you mean snapdragon 801? there is no A15 there. it was custom Krait. the only SoC i know did not using A15 with A7 was T4 and upcoming TK1 (32 bit). the companion 'ninja' core is still based on the same A15. and unlike big.LITTLE nvidia small core are not visible to the OS.
49. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Impossible at 2.5Ghz it would rinse battery like berzerk said even more faster
It's to powerful to run even at 1.3Ghz alone itself
3. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3881; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
A Snapdragon 805 device should come out within a month. They're already available to OEMs for testing, and Qualcomm said they should be out by the second half of the year. It really does seem like HTC and Samsung could have delayed their flagships a couple months to use the 805, and we would have seen something new rather than a higher clocked version of the same chip that's been used for almost a year.
6. ngo2dd (Posts: 778; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
The only major OEM that release in the second half is LG. The 801 and 805 have different GPU. If both HTC and Samsung would have to delay for much more then a couple of month. The software itself would have to be rewritten for the new GPU. It is not as easy was just putting in s different chip and go.
15. vincelongman (Posts: 951; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Google might release another Nexus after the G3, except the Nexus series rumored to be ending :(
And Sony will also release a Z (maybe another Z Ultra?) in the second half, they have a 6 month release cycle
And the Note 4 will be released in the second half and maybe HTC's phablet
53. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3881; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
If HTC and Samsung had intended on using the 805 in their flagships as soon as they heard from Qualcomm about it, they would have had enough time to write software to support it. Qualcomm announced the 805 and said that OEMs were already testing it, so that means they would have had at least 6 months with it by now.
5. Topcat488 (Posts: 1112; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
Hahaha man-o-man, SoC for Android smartphones are on a "F---ing" roll baby. 801 chips along with the 805's are yesterdays telegraphic technology... Don't even blink your eyes or you'll be behind these days. O.o a green thumb from me 0xFFFF
8. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 822; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Yeah, Qualcomm's 2015 processors should finally catch up to the A7 Cyclone. Of course, the A9 will be bearing down on them by that point.
11. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
So what is a A7 Cyclone Dual core 1.3Ghz it's not a A15 cause running A15 at 1.3Ghz without A7 that means A7 is a weak Cpu comparing it to A15 which can't be active due to power and performance
So a 1500mah battery keeps this A7 cyclone going
It's still not rinsing the battery
So how the he'll could this A7 be powerful than the A15 lmfao
Forget about 6 pipelines who gives a jack when it comes to raw pure muscle power the A15 kills the weak rubbish A7
16. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 822; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Umm, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. You're talking about A15 like it's something, and I'm talking about real power that has more in common with the A57. The A7 has headroom to spare in comparison to today's Qualcomm junk, but Apple has chosen to keep it under clocked to keep it from destroying the battery because it doesn't NEED to go like a scalded dog to be powerful.
37. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 2672; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Ohh that A7 64bit "advanced" chipset on ipad air which still lags on ios 7. How great is apple. Snapdragon FTW.
50. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
So that's either under voltage instead using high TDP it's using very low TDP also A15 requires a mini fan to coolant it down
17. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
the "A7" that napalm was talking about was apple's A7, not ARM's A7.
for all intents and purposes, the A7 is on even footing with the snapdragon 800 (both score evenly on benchmarks. around 2500 for geekbench, whereas the 801 scores around 3000)
ALSO- Clockspeed is not a determinant of performance between chips. some chips can accomplish more with less clock cycles.
18. vincelongman (Posts: 951; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
What do you mean catch up?
The 800 has always been faster in CPU benchmarks and app opening test
The 801 is now also faster GPU benchmarks
21. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
that correct, and a pain in the arse. Chrome needs to get it together.
39. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 822; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
" Apple didn't build a Krait/Silvermont competitor, it built something much closer to Intel's big cores. At the launch of the iPhone 5s, Apple referred to the A7 as being "desktop class" - it turns out that wasn't an exaggeration."
"Looking at Cyclone makes one thing very clear: the rest of the players in the ultra mobile CPU space didn't aim high enough. I wonder what happens next round."
These are Anand Lal Shimpi's exact words. Cyclone is far more capable than anything else on the market, which is why I said "catch up."
44. TylerGrunter (Posts: 864; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Do you have any link about that? Because in every page I read the Cyclone was faster, both on opening apps and brosing.
Also the GPU benchmarks are over Adreno 330 in some cases:
EG: Manhattan offscreen test in GFXbench.
The only tests where Snapdragos 800/801 are better are in perfect multithreded benchmarks, which are not precisely the best representation of real workloads.
45. vincelongman (Posts: 951; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
The A7 CPU is faster in single core, e.g. Geekbench single core
And faster browser, e.g. Sunspider, Kraken, Octane
The 800/801 CPU is faster in multi core, e.g. Geekbench multi core and 3DMark Physics
Both are both equally important
Single core is important for basically everything
Multi core is important for multi tasking and heavy loads, e.g. gaming
For GPU the A7 is faster in GFXBench Manhattan/T-Rex
For GPU the 800/801 is faster in 3DMark, BaseMark X, GFXBench ALU/Alpha blending/Fill rate
For GPU I think its like how some games run better on AMD GPU and some run better on Nvidia GPUs
51. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
But ios is much lighter than Android
The Android platform runs on Linux and ios runs on Unix Darwin platform which is half lighter than Android and need half less resources of Cpu Gpu
22. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 2672; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Say what?! People these days talk like a big mouth without knowledge.
9. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Everyone talking about S801 S805, but no one talks about A15 or Tegra4 nor does anyone talk about PowerVrSgxRouge Gpu which are much better than A430
10. vipervoid123 (Posts: 76; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)
I dont think it will better than A430 much ~
As efficiency of both GPU is really really bad compare to A430 ~
So no point to talk about it ~
12. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
A430 produces around 170 gigaflops and PvrRouge at 270gigaflop
Forget about efficiency if you deploy a 4000mah that would be more than enough to push high end PvrRouge
55. vipervoid123 (Posts: 76; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)
Phone is all about efficiency over performance ~
As all OEM is out of selection for battery type for their phone ,
And most of it is Li-Ion which is not great battery type ~
13. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
AFAIK Qualcomm is still the only major ARM processor vendor with good cell radio support. There may be other chips, or even chip components, that are interesting, but who is making such hybrids?
For pure performance, Nvidia's Tegra K1 looks pretty good. Of course this is not a mobile device chip.
20. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
how could you say the k1 is not a mobile device chip? it is percisely a MOBILE PROCESSOR. Nvidia put a mobile processor in a non-mobile form factor, but the chip is designed to be used in mobile devices.
27. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
For the K1 chip that was tested in the link I gave, it has a 5-8W TDP with normal usage, 11W at top load, and this is too high for most mobile devices.
Nvidia is working on a lower TDP dual core version of the K1 with architectural features similar to Apple's A7, but it isn't out yet.
31. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
I see your point, but I think its too early to tell, since the K1 that used 5-8W probably had a performance tuned governor and voltages (normal phones use 2-3 Max for reference). I think we should withhold judgment until a mobile device comes out with it like their reference tablet (mocha) or possibly even the nexus 8.
43. renz4 (Posts: 202; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
this is not final. but we might get some hint about TK1 is not that power hungry. that 11w numbers that have been around for a while it is most likely not referring to SoC power draw alone. that 11w numbers is power draw for the whole Jetson TK1 board. see post number 50:
but we still need actual device and real bench from reviewer site
54. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Good find! It's hard to guess what real consumption numbers will look like if the K1 (4 core) were used in a mobile device instead of a development board.
"Nvidia's numbers found in their technical brief (page 13) appear accurate to conservative."
In Nvidia's tech brief we find:
"Platform power when AP+DRAM is constrained to Apple A7 power when running GFXBench 3.04 (milli-Watts)"
--> This is 3660mw when measuring just the processor and the RAM.
"Platform power when delivering peak GFXBench 3.0 Performance(milli-Watts)"
--> And this is 6980mw again measuring just the processor and RAM.
--> The idle power for processor + RAM is 660mw.
So it very well might be the 4-core K1 would work for a tablet and the 2-core K1 would work for phones.
I was quite impressed with the performance of the TK1 Jetson board. It looks like ARM has a bright future ahead.
19. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
arte, I dont think you realize what an A15 or A7 is. they are ARM's reference designs, called cortex A15. each architecture can be licensed out to ARM's partners. Apple just happens to be using a similar naming scheme with there chips (A5, A5X, A6, A6X, A7, A8) BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
also, apple uses the Powervr GPU in their chips, but the SGX you are refering to is REALLY OLD, iphone 4 era.
42. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 822; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Correct. The Rogue Series 6 (Not "Rouge") uses the G/GX prefix.
46. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
I was talking about powervrrougeG6640 which has near 270gigaflop vs Adreno 430 around 170Gf grahman27
24. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5047; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
With all the new amazing processors coming out, I wonder will the Snapdragon 800 get outdated quickly? I mean, it looks like Qualcomm is in a rush or something.
25. AppleAnusSoFragrant (banned) (Posts: 11; Member since: 10 May 2014)
Wow it took a year to catch up 64-bit and still no match with my A7 chip baby, congrats android, and still one more years to go :)
29. ErenJaeger (Posts: 114; Member since: 22 Apr 2014)
I wish android flagships had retina display... Oh wait, that's only 300ppi. That's last year's specs. All the android flagships have 400+ppi. Maybe one day apple will reach that 400+ standard.
30. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5047; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
In year 2016 I guess...By that time, Android flagships already have 700ppi.
48. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Apple has 64bit but what good is that without bigger Ram
Android has higher clock speed upto 2.7Ghz to compensate
So vice versa
26. redmd (Posts: 860; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
QHD? 4K videos? The SD800 can handle them well. I wish for improvement in battery efficiency in the future chipsets.
35. grahaman27 (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
I remember when the tegra 4 did that.
36. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 2672; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Ohh that A7 64bit "advanced" chipset on ipad air which still lags on ios 7. How great is apple. Snapdragon FTW.
47. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Snapdragon still does not use A15 on their Soc cpu cause A15 is to powerful which S801 runs at 2.5Ghz which is not A15 if it was it would've needed a much bigger 4000mah battery so how the he'll could Snapdragon use A15 they are using A9 Cortex
38. Dude2014 (Posts: 102; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)
I remember Qualcomm said last year Samsung's bigLITTLE chips and Apple's 64bit chip were gimmicks and now they follow the same way. -_-
40. AfterShock (Posts: 2124; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Snap, its got the dragon!
I suspect Nexus 6+ G3 will too.
Second half of year for power user phones.
41. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
I'm not so worried about 64-bit until 4GB RAM is also included to properly utilize its potential.