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Apple, Samsung CEO-level talks fail to produce any agreements

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Apple, Samsung CEO-level talks fail to produce any agreements
When Judge Lucy Koh of the United States District Court for the Northern District of California ordered that Samsung and Apple sit down to negotiate a settlement of their patent war, she might have held some hope that getting the CEO's of both firms together would result in some give and take. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. An unnamed Samsung executive told the Korea Times that during the talks, both sides held firm to their arguments. Apple says that Korean based Samsung copied its designs while Samsung feels that Apple should license its wireless patents.

Judge Lucy Koh ordered the talks

Judge Lucy Koh ordered the talks

On both Monday and Tuesday, both Apple CEO Tim Cook and Samsung CEO  sat down along with U.S. Magistrate Judge Joseph C. Spero.  The two sides met on Monday and Tuesday and Judge Spero filed the minutes of the meetings with the court. Monday's filing had noted the meeting for Tuesday but yesterday's minutes made no mention of further talks.

What happens now? It's back to court. On June 7th, the court will hear Apple's request for a preliminary injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. If both sides can't reach an agreement on the patent issues, a trial will start June 27th . Ironically, Apple CEO Cook has said that he hates litigation. Samsung's mobile chief J.K. Shin, who accompanied Gee-Sung to the talks, had told reporters Sunday at Gimpo Inmternational Airoport that Apple's claims were "preposterous". And while Samsung had previously said that it was not interested in cross-licensing deals with Apple, Shin did bring it up as one solution to the legal mess that both companies find themselves in.

Frankly, we would like to see both Samsung and Apple go in front of Judge Judy. That would probably solve the whole patent issue in 15 minutes.

source: KoreaTimes, via FOSSPatents

The players from left to right, Apple 
CEO Tim Cook, Samsung CEO Choi-Gee-sung and Samsung's top mobile 
executive J.K. Shin
The players from left to right, Apple 
CEO Tim Cook, Samsung CEO Choi-Gee-sung and Samsung's top mobile 
executive J.K. Shin
The players from left to right, Apple 
CEO Tim Cook, Samsung CEO Choi-Gee-sung and Samsung's top mobile 
executive J.K. Shin

The players from left to right, Apple CEO Tim Cook, Samsung CEO Choi-Gee-sung and Samsung's top mobile executive J.K. Shin


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posted on 23 May 2012, 12:29 15

1. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Whoa. Wait. Is that Samsung saying "hey, dumbass, if you would only allow us we'd pay you for these patents you claim we're infringing on!"?!

I mean, this, despite how ridiculously minute the patent claims are. Absolutely friggin amazing.

posted on 23 May 2012, 14:05 7

13. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


APPLE is afraid of Samsung - notice how APPLE is starting to give less work to Samsung as a supplier?

posted on 23 May 2012, 17:44

28. dickwyn (Posts: 621; Member since: 07 May 2012)


yes the panels and ram are not from them anymore so they basically worth lesser and earn lesser

posted on 23 May 2012, 12:31 4

2. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


Shocker..

posted on 23 May 2012, 12:32 1

3. cncrim (Posts: 854; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


I knew it. No way apple will why should they, and samsung will do the same thing if theyhave upper hand.

posted on 23 May 2012, 12:42 8

4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The only time a settlement discussion produces a settlement is when both parties aren't certain about the outcome and the downside is compelling. Apple feels they have the upper hand. Until they cease to feel they have the upper hand, there won't be any meaninful move to settle the case.

posted on 23 May 2012, 12:50 4

5. 1ceTr0n (Posts: 549; Member since: 20 May 2012)


Boy, glad I got my Galaxy Note when I did. Wonder if the G3 shipping will be delayed because of this BS?

posted on 23 May 2012, 13:00 3

6. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)


Surprise, surprise...

posted on 23 May 2012, 13:13 5

7. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


The lire the traitor the wimp the looser the pu§§\ is
On the left!!!!!

posted on 23 May 2012, 13:19 7

8. shamataa (Posts: 218; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


OMG Apple stop being a jerk and make peace already. Jesus christ . What a waist of time if Apple isnt willing to cooperate.

posted on 23 May 2012, 13:32 5

9. 9_HeLLs_oF_DrOid (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


So much for hating ligitations Mr. Tim Cook, eh? Steve Jobs or Tim Cook, Apple will be Apple.

posted on 23 May 2012, 13:55 4

10. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So basically Samsung said we won't stop copying, but we'll pay you if you let us continue to copy your products.

Man if that isn't an admission of guilt and lack of being able to make successful products on their own I don't know what is.

posted on 23 May 2012, 14:00 5

12. adi4u4882 (Posts: 137; Member since: 10 Jan 2012)


Do you even Read the Topic?
Apple are greedy bastards who wants no opposition. So they try to take Samsung like this.
Do you have your own brain or is in the same crap as Apple?
Think before posting.

posted on 23 May 2012, 14:08

15. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


I know that taco is a troll, but it does read as:
Apple says that Korean based Samsung copied its designs while Samsung feels that Apple should license its wireless patents.

So, Samsung is not really denying that they are copying...but seriously - touch screen phones with a rectangle shape...and then the HTC issue with how documents are being formatted....really pushing the envelope....

posted on 23 May 2012, 14:47 1

17. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


I agreed with Taco. finally Samsung admitting guilt.. and want to pay their way out of it... not classy samsung.. now I understand the nonsense from their fans... is thought by Samsung

posted on 23 May 2012, 14:07 6

14. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


See, I knew you were going to say that.

And to correct you, it's more like "Hey, I know you think we're copying your s**t. And although we think you're wrong and you're overreacting, we'll gladly pay you money for the stuff you claim we're copying."

The other angle is the question: even if Samsung is implementing design choices patented by Apple, should there be patents on those choices to begin with? Should Apple really have a corner on curved edges and a list of possible apps to open a link? Every customer to whom I've had to explain why the Evo 4G LTE isn't out yet has expressed shock and disgust at the pettiness of the patent involved in the lawsuit that Apple won. None have said "well, HTC shouldn't have used the design then." Not even the Apple product owners.

posted on 23 May 2012, 14:50 1

18. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


"Hey, I know you think we're copying your s**t. And although we think you're wrong and you're overreacting, we'll gladly pay you money for the stuff you claim we're copying."

I doubt that's was really said.. why because no ones offers money or settlement if they are not at guilt.. and btw Apple doesn't claim Samsung is copying.. they are certain....

posted on 23 May 2012, 14:56 9

19. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Google offered a settlement to Oracle about a year ago, and they just won that lawsuit.

ARGUMENT. DESTROYED.

posted on 23 May 2012, 15:45 1

20. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


yes but Apple is no Oracle.. and Samsung is no Google.. evidence.. dismissed

posted on 23 May 2012, 15:56 5

21. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


But it's still a situation where the party who offered the settlement won the lawsuit. Evidence sustained.

posted on 23 May 2012, 17:04 1

25. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


this show that you don't know how the law works... Apple is bigger than Oracle.. if little Oracle says Giant Google infringed in patents the judge will not act the same as if it was Giant Apple vs. Samsung whom is smaller than Google.. please Google other articles to find more about this.. even Samsung is admitting guilt when all the fandroids were saying that Apple did not had a case..

posted on 23 May 2012, 17:13 1

27. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I would try to respond to your points but they require more depth to deconstruct than I have time to spare.

posted on 23 May 2012, 20:59 2

37. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its called

"we can either spend 100 million a year in lawyer fees across the globe each year since apple will never stop trying to bully, or we can work out a deal for 10-20 million in liscensing fees. we dont feel that we owe them, but its a hell of a lot cheaper than the lawyers"

posted on 23 May 2012, 21:19 1

40. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Finally someone with logic. No matter how you put it, Taco will disagree with you and still act like a brainwashed sheep.

posted on 23 May 2012, 21:28 1

42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


we would never expect any better out of taco. dont want to get disappointed when he cant live up to the most minimal of life's measurements.

posted on 23 May 2012, 16:52 3

24. poojaroy (Posts: 52; Member since: 29 Apr 2012)


i think tim cook f**ks gallitoking"s mom every day thats y he s yapping so much about apple haaa lol and steve jobs died f**king taco"s mom thats they r crying for apple

posted on 23 May 2012, 22:34

46. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


That was funny lmao. that's out ov topic and harsh.. U shouldn't bring his mother into this....
Take it easy. Be cool. And chill...

posted on 23 May 2012, 20:57 2

36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i just heard that proverbial bitchslap all the way down here in florida. that must a hurt, gallito.. lol. sniggs, hows your hand holding up? lolol

posted on 23 May 2012, 21:03

38. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Lol, wasn't even going for a bitchslap. Just was explaining that I was out of time to try to argue with him.

posted on 24 May 2012, 01:14 1

48. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


Is is cool Sniggly u had to call on your buddy whom doesnt answer my emails to bail you out...

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