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Who reset Farook's iCloud account? FBI and San Bernardino point fingers at each other

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Who reset Farook's iCloud account? FBI and San Bernardino point fingers at each other
Who reset the iCloud account on the Apple iPhone 5c at the center of all of the controversy between Apple and the federal government? Apple reportedly held an impromptu press conference with certain members of the media on Friday night, with the condition that executives not be quoted or named. During the conference, Apple said that the phone's iCloud password was reset while in government custody.

The problem is that we are dealing with two government agencies, the FBI with its square-jawed suited agents, and the San Bernardino Department of Public Health. The latter actually owned the phone, and gave it to deceased terrorist Syed Farook to help him do his job.

The question now, is which government agency tried to hack into the iPhone in an attempt to pull out information? Which one of the two government entities does that sound like, the FBI or the sleepy little San Bernardino Health Department? With each agency pointing their finger at the other, the latest word is that the San Bernardino Health Department reset the iCloud password at the FBI's request.

It might not really matter which agency was responsible (except to prove that one is lying); an Apple executive said on Friday that had the reset not happened, Apple and the feds wouldn't be battling each other in court right now. Once iCloud backups are disabled, getting information from inside an iPhone becomes a much harder task.

San Bernardino Department of Public Health blames the FBI for making it change the iCloud password on Farook's iPhone 5c

San Bernardino Department of Public Health blames the FBI for making it change the iCloud password on Farook's iPhone 5c


source: TheGuardian

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posted on 20 Feb 2016, 21:55 3

1. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2023; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


Stupid.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:03 9

2. kajam (Posts: 188; Member since: 24 Jun 2015)


I bet you the whole thing is just a show between apple and fed and iphone is already been looked into and its contents they are trying to prove to the world they are following roles and apple will gain more from solid stand against privacy hacking.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:20 4

4. AlikMalix (Posts: 5054; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Why do these Apple haters always sound like its a conspiracy everytime Apple hits news. Seriously, you and others that post this stuff, do you know what you sound like from the side?

Apple is just popular brand among the media, it's the most valuable brand on wallstreet, and it's a force to be reckoned with for the government... There's no conspiracy - just articles and blogs writing about what's most popular.

But enjoy your tinfoil hat - I hope it's working.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:25

12. QWERTYphone (Posts: 650; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)


Tin foil hat? Negative. Apple is an evil company. They shipped all their AMERICAN jobs off to slave labor, they cheat the US out of taxes, they charge $650 for an inferior $200 phone. How about the "bug" they DESIGNED to keep their users from porting to Android by not releasing their texts from i-Cloud?

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:43 1

15. remtothemax (Posts: 260; Member since: 02 May 2012)


yeah. remember that time when alikmalix was talking about how apple haters always sound like its a conspiracy everytime apple hits new?

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:13 2

19. AlikMalix (Posts: 5054; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


QUERTY, now you're just messing with me, right? if not, dont you see that you're doing exactly what I described above?

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 02:42 3

35. Piyath_ale (Posts: 79; Member since: 02 Nov 2015)


People like you are a shame to USA. It's solely because of this lack of patriotism US has become an ugly place. I'm not a US citizen. But learn to love your country and It's companies first. Apple is a great company. It pays billions in taxes. It produces amazing products. Just don't be a dickhead.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 04:22 5

38. JoshuaDK (Posts: 16; Member since: 08 May 2014)


Hmm, so one should just nod his/her head and not question anything. Like a good german in the 30s and early 40s?

I would rather question everything and it should always be a good thing to criticise. Especially in Denmark where I live and our government is becoming more and more fascist and it is not only Denmark. It is all over Europe that it is happening. Patriotism is stupid, you did not decide in what country you were born. Patriotism is like White Pride: "Uhhh I am White I am great"... We all live on the same little planet and when one country f**ks up it can hurt others. Just guess what happens if the US, Chinese, British or Russian economy f**ks up!

#OneWorldOneGovernment

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 06:13 1

42. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


The US by many standards is the most corrupt country on Earth so blind patriofism does nothing but aid that corruption and make it an even uglier country.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:07 4

3. Unordinary (Posts: 1167; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


No clue but PA you should warn your Android users of that newest dangerous virus that steals your banking info and credentials. Pretty risky.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:33 9

6. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


I'm sure it gets into your system by installing a shady apk file.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:37

23. ibend (Posts: 3515; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


on rooted device...
with no AV installed...

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 03:23

37. Podrick (Posts: 454; Member since: 19 Aug 2015)


No AV needed even for a rooted Android. Just stick to Play Store, XDA and other trusted sites(Yes, I know malware apps were found on Play Store too).

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:36 2

8. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


what banking credentials no one keeps info like that on a device

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 03:05 1

36. Jimrod (Posts: 982; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)


Weird, I keep seeing so many articles from people saying how amazing Samsung Pay is (despite still not being usable in most of the world) - so having your card details on a phone doesn't count as banking credentials?

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 11:27

44. Bernoulli (Posts: 3740; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


It's like uber, you input your credentials elsewhere but neither you nor the driver have access to your card numbers etc.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 23:58

45. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)


What do you know? Or are you just a cheapskate? All my banking details are on my devices, in the safe walled garden that is Apple. It's been like that for years, when do you plan on catching up to the modern times?

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:21

5. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


I'm not sure what's going on anymore with this.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:35

7. kajam (Posts: 188; Member since: 24 Jun 2015)


iFan kids defending apple

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 22:43 2

9. roscuthiii (Posts: 2179; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


"the FBI with its square-jawed suited agents"?
"the sleepy little San Bernardino Health Department'?
Your adjectives reveal your own personal viewpoints on the matter? Is this an editorial?

I'd been under the impression this was Farook's personal mobile phone, but... "The latter actually owned the phone, and gave it to deceased terrorist Syed Farook to help him do his job."???

This was not his phone? This was a provided work phone? Owned by a local government agency?
Doesn't seem like there is any question then whether or not this phone should be unlocked.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:03

10. Alan01 (Posts: 353; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


Adjectives like the ones you cite are written to bring an image to mind. In the U.S., there is the image of the FBI agent looking like Dick Tracy. And yes, compared to the sprawling FBI, the San Bernardino Health Agency is small. Those adjectives don't reveal anything about my personal opinion on the matter.

As far as the phone is concerned, yes, the phone was given to Farook as part of his employment with the Health Agency.

Regards,
Alan F.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:37

14. roscuthiii (Posts: 2179; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Yes, it's true they don't technically reveal your own personal opinions. And yes, they help bring an image to mind. Got me there.

Oh, however... among the all of the adjectives out there to choose from to create this image, you paint the proverbial picture of David vs Goliath?

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:28

22. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


"In the U.S., there is the image of the FBI agent looking like Dick Tracy. "

Not sure where you got that from but if anything, the common image is that of the "Men in Black". Your info seems dated.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:55 1

18. AlikMalix (Posts: 5054; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


roscuthiii, the difference between writing like this and writing just facts is like the difference ebetween a car show and Top Gear!!! I would probably not watch some car show, but I would never miss a top gear episode.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 04:27

39. roscuthiii (Posts: 2179; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Alik, the difference between writing like this and Top Gear is that TG makes it entertaining for all. Alan paints polarizing pictures. It doesn't have to be just the facts, I'm not saying that.. it can indeed be exciting too.

Since you mention Top Gear, here's a little ditty from a while back: http://www.topgear.com/car-news/challenger-vs-camaro-vs-corvette-vs-mustang
Now just look at that vehicle list. A cornucopia for fanboy muscle car aficionados. A perfect opportunity to rile up enthusiast sensibilities for views/clicks. They tell you the outcome from the beginning, but you just read it and tell me if they paint as polarizing a picture as PA does for page views.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:25

11. pa_follow (Posts: 17; Member since: 21 Jun 2015)


'except to prove one is lying' -- okay that is kind of funny.....I'm rooting for San Bernardino.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:41

24. ibend (Posts: 3515; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


apple should have know which one of them did that.. I know they have log aboud precise time when did that reset happens, so they can check, which side have access to that phone at that time...
(heck, I guess they even log that phone location, public IP, cell ID, and other sutff, but they just didnt want to share it -_- )

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:29 4

13. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


It really is all another 9/11 staging, using fear tactics to gain power. Witnesses like the following say they saw 3 white guys in military clothing run off after the shooting, not a couple in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s45OeXNRZng

Now I'm reading comments saying that dude has been silenced, just like the 9/11 witnesses (haven't seen any headlines about it yet). Saving offline versions of all these evidences as I come across them...I'm betting that video will soon be silenced (read taken down) too.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:52 3

17. remtothemax (Posts: 260; Member since: 02 May 2012)


why would the government want people to be afraid of the off chance that someone in their office will go nuts? especially because this isn't completely without precedence. just a few months ago that crazy disgruntled guy killed a news caster and cameraman on live television or whatever.

there is absolutely no logical reason the government would do something this small to stir up fear. especially since there hasn't been anything close to it in three months. there hasn't even been anything internationally in western countries to build this kind of fear. the paris attacks were an outside cell that attacked.

creating fear on the level of 9/11 distantly makes sense. it could possibly serve government purposes. however i completely reject the idea that the american government would actually go through the risk (and botch it, no less, if people on the internet know about it) of killing like nine people in a small town in a small office (of the government? why wouldn't the government at least attack a regular business?) and then not follow it up with any news of anything similar, with no follow up reports of things like the fbi or cia suddenly detecting a spike in potential terrorists and also with news like the fact that twitter's crack down seeming to work to quell isis propaganda?

if this is some 9/11 stuff, the american government (which has a pretty good track record of toppling governments and installing regimes covertly, and if you are into conspiracy theories, managed to bring down two skyscrapers in new york without anyone believable picking up on it) somehow managed to botch killing a room full of people. super believable.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:28 1

21. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


"why would the government want people to be afraid of the off chance that someone in their office will go nuts?"

Huh? Don't quite understand this question.

"just a few months ago that crazy disgruntled guy killed a news caster and cameraman on live television or whatever."

Sources? Please be more specific with names instead of just throwing generic words and insults around. Not sure what you're referring to here, and certainly doesn't match what Farook's attorney describes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51h_o8y4GpA

"there is absolutely no logical reason the government would do something this small to stir up fear"

How about power and politics? After this attack, Trump was using it as excuse for banning muslims from entering the US and enabling 24/7 surveillance on those in the country due to fear of terrorism (despite 80% of terror attacks since 9/11 being done by US citizens), all to get public's support.
http://newsone.com/3286619/donald-trump-wants-to-ban-muslims-from-entering-the-u-s/
Next, we have the FBI using that same attack as excuse to create backdoor in consumer electronics, more power to abuse.

"why wouldn't the government at least attack a regular business?"

Perhaps 'cause they can't guarantee control of the surveillance footage in those regular business? How can a government building like that not have any actual footage of those who were entering and leaving? Or have they shown any footage recorded by those cameras all this while? Do share...

"and then not follow it up with any news of anything similar, with no follow up reports of things like the fbi or cia suddenly detecting a spike in potential terrorists"

Uhm, have you been missing all the headlines stating that the iPhone could contain information on other potential terrorist attacks?

"managed to bring down two skyscrapers in new york without anyone believable picking up on it"

So you're saying none of the following people are beleivable? Or did you just close your eyes and say none of them exist? I'm thinking the latter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEU61Cw7VCo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwKjw5RjPyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiusdy1miI

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:42 1

25. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


So how does one go about creating conspiracy theories?

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:48

26. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


If pointing out facts is considered conspiracy theory, then I'm a proud conspiracy theorist. Here's another of my conspiracy theories from a Whistle Blower regarding the 9/11 terror attack; it gave the US power and reason to invade Israel for it's oil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2Fi1rhYqc

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:51 2

27. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


"Facts"

Yeeeeaaaahhhhh more like suggestions. For example can you post an actual "fact" that proves 9/11 was staged and not just shaky here and there suggestions?

First off where are you from? That might give me better perspective on your stance.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 01:04

28. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


Suggestions that all paint the same picture and make sense based on deductive reasoning (if you're capable of such).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEU61Cw7VCo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwKjw5RjPyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiusdy1miI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgMCw2-aJ0

Better question is, can you prove any of them as invalid? Or what is your proof that it wasn't staged? Ignoramusly believing everything you see on TV? Do some research on "government control of the media" and get a clue about reality...

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 01:08 2

29. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


Still see none of your "Facts" you talked about earlier. You can post suggestions and create conspiracy theories but don't go tricking people into believing 9/11 being staged was a fact. People lost loved ones you know.

Where are you from again?

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 01:22

30. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


So you blind or you're not bothering to watch any of the videos I linked to? In that case, until you can prove you've watched any of those videos and give an explanation of why you disagree, wouldn't bother going on with this discussion as I'm clearly just talking to deaf wall...

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 01:28 2

31. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


I saw all of the facts, I mean theories, I mean suggestions......sorry. Can you post one "fact" that proves 9/11 was an inside job. I'm just asking for one, you can't blame your inability to do this on government media control. If you're as resourceful as you claim from your previous comments you should have just one "fact" on you.

Where are you from again? Feel like answering this. You're not the first to make these claims and further background research into those making these kinds of claims showed a not so flattering (and sane for that matter) background.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 01:40

32. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


Are you this extremely daft in reality? I sure hope not. If you have a clue about government controlled media, and all the scientific facts and witness statements pointed out in those videos indicate that what the media showed were false, then what does deductive reasoning tell you?

BTW, keep trying hard to play the asinine bait switch game, not taking the bait.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 01:47 2

33. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


You're not too bright are you? Post a scientific fact from the video and realize "witness statements" can be heavily altered based on context like state of mind (especially during catastrophic events), prior mental history, and the minds tendency to make things up in general. In fact a group experiencing the same event and stating the same things later in "eyewitness" accounts (things that can't be proved for that matter) are not uncommon. Little Physiology 101 for your pleasure ;). Still waiting on that one "fact" that proves 9/11 was an inside job without a shadow of a doubt.

Huh? Not quite sure what you're getting at. Could you be more coherent and explain kid?

Ahhhhh you're Canadian...........now it's clear.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 02:00

34. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


"Post a scientific fact from the video"

Ah, so you didn't bother watching it, just staying in denial like a fool...whatever, I can't cure extreme stupidity, stick your head in the sand if you think that'll change reality.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 04:43 1

40. roscuthiii (Posts: 2179; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Did you just say, "it gave the US power and reason to invade Israel for it's oil"?
Did you mean to type Israel??? You couldn't have. Because, you do know that the US and Israel are,like, pretty tight allies right? Totally besties. I mean, you do know the US was a big proponent of establishing Israel in the first place?
In fact, many other conspiracy theorists out there would put Israel as the entity in charge and the US as the puppet...
Oh, and that the US, well, never invaded Israel?

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 05:14 1

41. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2701; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


Was wondering about that too. US will never do anything to harm Israel. Mainly because all the rich jews living in US, pulling strings. In the end, politicians don't have the power, but cooperations and old money have the power.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 21:03

47. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


See post 46.

posted on 24 Feb 2016, 21:03

46. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2154; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


No, I meant Iraq. Watch that linked video.

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 07:10 1

43. lyndon420 (Posts: 3843; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


You don't create them. First you need to open up your mind and really look hard at the world around you, and then you'll notice how we the people function like oblivious cattle that's being herded towards being slaughtered.

posted on 20 Feb 2016, 23:46

16. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)


My give a damn died about 2 days ago on the matter honestly

posted on 21 Feb 2016, 00:24 1

20. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1491; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)


I am starting to get tired of this drama

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