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The Samsung Galaxy S7 could sport a 20MP camera sensor, be even thinner

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The Samsung Galaxy S7 could sport a 20MP camera sensor, be even thinner
We've been hearing all sorts of rumors about the Samsung Galaxy S7 lately, and quite a few of them have been dealing with the handset's camera setup. It is said that "dual camera" is the new buzzword at Samsung, with the company supposedly having four concepts in development and planned for adoption in the first half of 2016.

In related news, Samsung just boasted about a new 20MP camera sensor it has developed, and the Galaxy S7 seems like the best and most logical choice to showcase it, seeing that all the company's current flagship smartphones are now out. The 20MP sensor measures 1/2.6" and has 1.0 micron-sized pixels, while boasting reduced power draw, thanks to being made on a 28nm process (coming all the way down from 65nm as seen in Samsung's 16MP 1.2 micron sensor used in its recent Galaxy phones).

The chip also features a new RWB color pattern for enhancing light sensitivty and improving the signal to noise ratio in low-light conditions. Thanks to the reduction in physical size and power draw, the sensor will allow for Samsung's next phones to become thinner, which, according to customer research, is a highly desirable characteristic.


source: Samsung (.pdf file) via GalaxyClub.nl (Translated)

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posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:12 20

1. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Wow. I almost can't believe they brought RWB in just 2016.

To those unaware, it uses simple arithmetic to get 2X the sampling rate of regular sensors, hence 2X the SNR or a 3dB improvement.

Though it's sad that the pixel size is reduced to just 1 micron.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:18

4. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


I though that smaller pixels were better for the image quality. Guess I was wrong.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 15:35

47. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Bigger pixels basically means each pixel on the image sensor is getting more light
Which is why the Nexus 6P is amazing at low light

But it also depends on several other factors

e.g.
OIS (helps allow longer exposure time without blur) and wide aperture (allows more light through the lens)
Which is why the S6 and G4 are also amazing at low light

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:24 2

6. rsiders (Posts: 851; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)


Samsung has thoroughly impressed me in the imaging department on all of their phones this year so any improvements made would really be more than we can ask for in mobile photography. Seriously, the camera race has truly elevated what we're able to do to point of being spoiled really. Can't wait to see what Samsung introduces and I may just keep my Z3 until the S7 comes out.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:28 1

9. BLUEBLASTER (Posts: 267; Member since: 23 Feb 2014)


How big an improvement are we likely to get with that camera?

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:30

13. zeeBomb (Posts: 1779; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)


You gotta read some articles like on anandtech. RGB is the future.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:42 12

14. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


2x improvement in sensitivity. That means 2x the ISO with the same noise. Or you can get the shot in half the exposure time with the same brightness.

This is huge.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:17 4

22. pmsap (Posts: 78; Member since: 26 May 2015)


But isn't the micron decrease a "bad" thing? Why reduce that? To get thinner phones, with thinner batteries? Phones are incredibly thin by now...

In Europe most people buy high-end phones based on a small number of factors: camera capabilities, design (looks), UI/OS. It seems to me that the design is already very good. Focus then on camera and UI.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 12:14

34. Dinged (Posts: 32; Member since: 12 Jan 2012)


Mfg's don't have the inhouse camera expertise for the "processing" of images so instead they only focus on better hardware for image improvements. If they want to leapfrog over the competition, someone needs to acquire/merge/partner with a expert RAW image processing company such as dxomark, perfectly clear or adobe.

Just as in professional photography and dslr's, no pro relies on the out of camera image processing from canon/nikon, they all use 3rd party image RAW processing software.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 15:43

48. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Because of the increase to 20MP without increasing the size of the sensor
Increasing the size of the sensor would increase thickness
Smaller pixels basically means each pixel on the image sensor is getting less light

But it should be a problem
Samsung will improve OIS (allows longer exposure) and use wider aperture lens (allows more light in)
ISOCELL sensors already have deep trenching (like the iPhone 6S)

posted on 22 Oct 2015, 11:36

58. WGACA (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 May 2015)


You mean 'the iPhone 6s sensors already have deep trenching (like the ISOCELL sensor from Samsung).

Small nuance, but important to mention. Proof again that Apple mostly copies Samsungs ideas, not the other way around.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:35

26. Techist (Posts: 227; Member since: 27 Jan 2015)


If it lives up to its promise, and the algorithms are properly optimized, that will indeed be huge! I'm beginning to feel real good about my decision to hold on to my Note 4 and wait for next year's flagships.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:26

41. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8344; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


With that kind of improvement on the camera, the small camera bump shouldn't be an issue.Samsung cameras are top notched.

Even though I don't take many pictures, I like their cameras.

In fact when we went to Sarasota/Orlando Florida this summer, I took more videos/photos than I have taken all my life since buying my first phone. We took over 1500 photos, and shot over 300 videos.

The photos from the S6 Edge I had at the time are so vivid that wjen I watch the vids and photos on my Samsung Smart TV, it feels like I am still on my vacation.

The Next Big Thing is Samsung's cameras and the next S and Note are going to be awesome.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:29 5

12. zeeBomb (Posts: 1779; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)


Wow. This sensor is a massive improvement from their first gen isocell sensor from the s5. RGB too, and we're only in late 2015 guys!

Project Lucky is gonna be some innovation.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 12:07 1

33. Dinged (Posts: 32; Member since: 12 Jan 2012)


Thinner? Really? I'll trade in slight thickness to squeeze more battery life (mah and an sd card slot. And, trade those megapixels for larger pixels and ability to push more fps in video. Manufacturer's don't give us the best phone now since if they did, they wouldn't have any new annual sales; they choose to go the incremental improvement route instead of just offering the best. Sick of it...

Google needs to purchase DXOmark or Perfectly Clear image processing so that Android's image processing algorithm's can match Apple's and prevent all the segmentation that create such varied photo results.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:31 1

42. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8344; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Oh boy, here we go crying about battery-life. Even though the S6 and Note 5 are thinner than the previous version and house a smaller battery compared to them, they still managed to last LONGER than the previous models.

Considering the Note 5 lifts way more in features vs the S, the iPhone 6 Plus managed to only tie the Note 5 in battery rundown tests done by PA. Seemingly it should have done better since it only has 1/2 the hardware/software capabiliy, but was only as good as the Note.

Thin is the new spec, get over it. Remember, it has already been announced that Samsung is working on new battery technology that could add as much as 40% more battery in the same amount of space. Which means a 4000Mah battery could easily fit in the same space as one taken up by a 3000Mah one.

How about we see what we get, before throwing Samsung under a bus. Because no one throws Apple under a bus and look how small and thin their phones are. And considering the S6 is smaller than the iPhone 6S, yet has a bigger battery and the Note 5 is also smaller than the 6S Plus and yet has a bigger battery, shows you who is sacrificing more.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 12:50

35. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3259; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


and still they want to make it thinner no stupid stop showing off with how thin you can make it we want battery tech or bigger battery.

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 02:55

53. Fellwalker (Posts: 302; Member since: 04 Apr 2014)


Probably they'll use a 1000 mAh battery and sell a new faster charger that will bring the battery to 98% in only 5 minutes.
They have no idea about real life use, where we are not close to wall sockets and don't want to carry a huge external battery which cancels the thin advantage.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 13:00

36. rd_nest (Posts: 1591; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


A8 is using similar 1micron ISOCELL sensor.

posted on 23 Oct 2015, 00:30

59. zeeBomb (Posts: 1779; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)


Thanks for pointing that out mate. In fact its really similar, just that the A8 is 16MP opposed to 20MP.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 13:25

37. vuyonc (Posts: 987; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


Source, please! Just curious, I'm doing a course in control systems for my engineering degree. Not sure how doubling the sampling rate adds 3dB. I got 6dB.

Regular sensor sample rate gain = x
Regular sensor sample rate gain in decibels = 20*log10(x)
New sensor sample rate gain = 2*x
New sensor sample rate gain in decibels = 20*log10(2*x)
=20*log10(x) + 20*log10(2)
=regular sensor gain + 6.02 decibels

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:11

39. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


That 20 log is for power, not only voltage. For voltage, you use 10 log.

It's a simple mistake, that many engineers do ;).

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 17:27

49. vuyonc (Posts: 987; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


According to my notes, 20 log works with any two types of values (certainly for frequencies). Source, please.

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 00:30

50. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Just Google about how to take decibel. It's 10log.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/db.html

That 20 is when the decibel you're using is power in terms of voltage. dB (power) = 10 log ( P2/P1) -> 10 log ( V2^2/V1^2) -> 20 log ( V2/V1) .

Thats how you get 20. Though decibel is measured always with a factor of 10, that's why it's called 'deci' bel.

A bel is just a log of ratios with base 10. A decibel is that multiplied by 10.

I'm no electrical engineer, but I'm pretty site you need to revise you're notes.

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 04:48

57. vuyonc (Posts: 987; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


Cool thanks

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:12 6

2. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


And it ain't gonna suck like z5's camera. Samsung will soon show sony how it's done.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:15 3

21. Djz89 (Posts: 271; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)


Software my friend, not hardware. If Samsung had the imx300 (z5) the pictures would be insane. Z5 don't suck though, that's a stupid statement.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 11:43 1

31. kkmkk (Posts: 463; Member since: 06 May 2013)


no one care what the reason that samsung camera is better than sony
all we care about that it is better

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 00:36

51. Djz89 (Posts: 271; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)


Some mabye, but some actually care to how and why things work, you will understand when you grow up.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:14 4

3. phonehome (Posts: 486; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


I'll take a thicker and removable battery (unless the presumably sealed "thinner" one rumored in this article will last a full day with streaming a loop of HD video with the screen at the brightest setting, and also with location service and Bluetooth turned on).

Also, can't improve that much on my GS5 camera. For THAT much improvement, I would buy a standalone camera.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:24 2

7. torr310 (Posts: 784; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


agree... bigger and removable battery!
Otherwise, my GS5 is no need to be replaced.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:24 4

8. tech2 (Posts: 3349; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


LOL....'full day (battery) with streaming a loop of HD video with the screen at the brightest setting, and also with location service and Bluetooth turned on'

....Yeah right! Good luck finding a phone which does that.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:51

15. phonehome (Posts: 486; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


The almost instant replaceable battery in my GS5 allows me to do such....ok, will admit a few intermissions in that streaming loop.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:35

43. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8344; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


The GS6 camera is a huge improvement over the one in the S6. Even though they are both 16MP, the one in the S6/Note 5 are better. Even the one in the Note 4 is better than the GS5.

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 03:20

55. mixedfish (Posts: 1152; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)


You are no longer the target audience unfortunately, the target audience is now the more profitable ones spelt S-U-C-K-E-R-S

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:20 1

5. iphonexus (Posts: 130; Member since: 04 Jan 2015)


i hope that sammy can get 8 hrs ost with phone as slim as 6.5mm ... i just wanna switch to android tired of ios

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:28 3

10. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1231; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)


Thinner? Thats fine but just make sure you can still fit in a 4,000 mAH battery ok?

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:54

17. phonehome (Posts: 486; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)


The battery in the GS5 is 2800mAh, though pretty thin. Got me wondering now if there is a thinner battery with a higher capacity.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:28 3

11. tomn1ce (Posts: 202; Member since: 12 Mar 2012)


I just wonder why are they so obsessed in making phones thinner? Who are these consumers who are willing to sacrifice battery size to have a thinner phone with only 2 hour of battery life. Fine you made your camera thinner now leave the phone the way it is or make it a bit thicker for a bigger battery so we the consumer can enjoy the brand new camera for a longer period of time without having to hunt for a power source.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:53

16. natypes (Posts: 1079; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)


Me. Pretty soon I'll be able to line up my "stuff" with these phones and it's going to be awesome. Won't have to pull my credit out for paying or for fun.

It's a helluva drug.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:56

18. torr310 (Posts: 784; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


I guess it's because of Apple is making its phone thinner.
Samsung thinks Apple leads the trend....I do not agree though.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 09:59 3

19. miket1737 (Posts: 2366; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


or "the sensor will allow for Samsung's next phones to become thinner, which, according to customer research, is a highly desirable characteristic."

"according to customer research, which is a highly desirable characteristic" or maybe Samsung is just going off customer research?

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:14 1

20. Chuck007 (Posts: 1035; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


Excuse me but...I have a sudden urge to touch myself. X)

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:22

23. abdoualgeria (Posts: 309; Member since: 27 Jul 2015)


The z5's sensor is bigger
Xperia z5 = 1/2.3"
The new isocell = 1/2.6"

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 03:23

56. mixedfish (Posts: 1152; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)


The Z5 uses the traditional 4:3 aspect ratio sensor, where as S6 using a 16:9 ratio sensor.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:30

24. bubbadoes (Posts: 815; Member since: 03 May 2012)


i guess 5-6 months of the S6 around was enough for Samsung

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 11:01 1

29. maherk (Posts: 3415; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


It's been 7 months since the S6 was released, and by the time the S7 will be announced it will be 10 months, add another month till they release it and you end up with 11 months between the S6 and S7 ;)

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 13:37

38. bubbadoes (Posts: 815; Member since: 03 May 2012)


April release date....6 months. give or take they were talking about S7 two months ago.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:45

45. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8344; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


The S6 was announce on March 1, 2015 at MWC.
It was official released to the public on April 10, 2015.

Which means it existed before it was even announced. The official announcement day would be when it was made aware of and shown officially for the first time to the public. That would make it, its official birthday.

The way you are talking, your officially birthday is the day you come home from the hospital and everyone gets to see you. But the hospital doesnt use that date, they use the date you first came out an said WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

The S6 was announced/born March 1, 2015. It came home from the hospital and available for purchase April 10th, 2015.

The fact is bruh, you are both right, just depends on what date you want to use. The phone is 7 months old based on announced date and 6 months based on retail availability.

Just remember, the S6 went on sale in Korea, before the USA.
USA availability date and everyone else isnt the same time...right?

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:34

25. Loubielou (Posts: 500; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Just wish the Current Camera phones would offer Xenon Flash,as this seems to be the best flash for Dark Areas,thats Why i still have the Nokia N82 as my Spare Camera phone,as the images with the Xenon Flash are just Amazing

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:41 1

27. afzalzainal (Posts: 49; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)


I think the current s6 edge thickness are more the enough to hold and used it without any case. Just hoping the protuding camera gone for good in upcoming s7.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 10:57

28. surethom (Posts: 605; Member since: 04 Mar 2009)


We want bigger battery to last at least 1 half day with Normal use NOT ultra Thin phones.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 11:36

30. jeroome86 (Posts: 848; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


Thin is in.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 12:01

32. vuyonc (Posts: 987; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


Aw man, a 20+ MP sensor deserves to be at least 1/2" IMO. Maybe the white subpixel will even things out.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:21

40. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8344; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


This camera is going to blow the doors off of the ones on the S6 and anything that already can't beat the S6/Note5 phones already.

Apple wont have a choice but to go 16MP on the next iPhone, or they are going to really be behind.

I wonder if this camera is going to be an improved Samsung ISOCELL. If so, it's gonna be unmatched.

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:44

44. fullbazak (Posts: 20; Member since: 01 Nov 2014)


I Like Samsung Mobile
I have a Galaxy Note 4

please company Samsung make mobile smartphone:

Samsung Galaxy Note 6 OLED
Curved body and display 8k ,3D

Samsung Galaxy
Note 6 OLED : OLED,(fully Magnesium
and
a 68 megapixel camera and Secondary 24MP with 8K and D3

( for image quality and dynamic range. An all-new FX-format full-frame image sensor design—low-pass filter processing for flawless detail retention from snow white to pitch black, beautiful noise-free images from , an extremely wide dynamic range, flattering well-saturated skin tones and much more..... A deeper grip ensures stable handling, even for small hands. A brighter viewfinder offers ~100% frame coverage, 0.001x magnification and high contrast organic EL information display for easier visibility. The scratch- and shock-resistant. Its color can be calibrated to match an external monitor, and a new split-screen feature lets you monitor two different points of a scene side-by-side to ensure proper leveling or focus.
with magnesium alloy, stringently tested weather and dust sealing, a shutter that's been tested to DIGIC 6+ Image Processors help deliver high quality image capture at up to 120 fps (140 fps in Super High Speed Mode) and a powerful ISO range of 100–98576 (up to 889800 in H2 mode) helps provide sharp, low-noise images even in dim low-light conditions. A 68-Point High-Density Reticular AF and 1000,000-pixel RGB Metering Sensor that uses a dedicated DIGIC 5 Image Processor help make the reach new levels of focus speed and accuracy delivering advanced tracking even for the most challenging shooting situations. Taken all together, numerous connectivity options, combination of processing power and durable construction, including shutter durability tested to 800,000 cycles,, longer battery life, and advanced in-camera editing like NEF (RAW) processing, distortion control, image overlay and more, makes the as reliable on the road as it is in the studio.

#Capture the moment in just 0.005 seconds. )


Fingerprint sensor (PayPal certified)

Samsung Pay (Visa, MasterCard certified)

SIM Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)

Dimensions : 170 x 90 x 5.5 mm

Size : 6.5 inches (~60 % screen-to-body ratio)

Network: 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G

Resolutio: 7680x4320 pixels (~2250 ppi pixel density)8K UHD screen


48M colors,

Corning Gorilla Glass 5 ( shatterproof )

Internal : 2 TB storage, 16 GB RAM DDR4

Card slot microSD, up to 4 TB

Sensors : Accelerometer,3D,UV, heart rate, SpO2 , 3D Touch
gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature, humidity, gesture

MIL-STD-810G certified - salt, dust, humidity, rain, vibration, solar radiation, transport and thermal shock resistant

High sensitivity and artificial intelligence.

Curved
body and display

Best Design

Curved
OLED capacitive touchscreen

Anti-shock and anti-scratch

3D Touch

Blood tests

Glucose sensor

Pressure sensor

EEG sensor

EKG sensor

posted on 20 Oct 2015, 14:46

46. fullbazak (Posts: 20; Member since: 01 Nov 2014)


Vibrating massage

Heart rate sensor

Ultrasound sensor

High sensitivity and artificial intelligence

3D

Super strong Two Speakers

UV

Super strong handsfree

Ultra Slim

Water proof and water resistant over 10 meter and 120 minutes

eye scan sensor

Solar charging

30second full charge:Quick Charge

video transfer port for TV

MHL 4.0 solutions deliver 8K content from in your phone to DTV

Thermal Camera

Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic 4

2 ANT+ support

The strongest signal is everywhere

fast Wireless charging (Qi/PMA) - market dependent

heat hand away sensor

video camera: fullHD , 2K, 4K ، 8k

flash: 2 dual LED

OS : Android 6.0 (Fast and lightweight)
(Very low battery consumption )

Chipset : Exynos 9933-chip (16-core)

CPU : Quad-core 3.8 GHz Cortex-A86 Quad-core 4.9 GHz Cortex-A89
Cache: 12MB DDR4
16-core CPUs DDR4

GPU : Mali-M6000 memory size 12GB
memory Clock 1800 MHz
memory Bandwidth 318 GB/s

Mobile smartphone: (Not Hot)
Hybrid Cooling

Colors : Black, White, Pink,Blue Gold , Green

BATTERY : 65000 mAH battery better performance.

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 02:08 1

52. Zack_2014 (Posts: 374; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Are you dreaming or something?

posted on 21 Oct 2015, 03:16 1

54. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)


he went full retard.

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