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Nokia to break up with Samsung as supplier, too, as 'the firewall is as sturdy as a pile of kimchi'

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Nokia to break up with Samsung as supplier, too, as 'the firewall is as sturdy as a pile of kimchi'
After Apple, it might be time for Nokia to part with whatever Samsung-made parts it is using for its cell phones. The world's second-largest phone maker is tipped by an industry insider to try and break away from Samsung as components supplier due to potential conflicts of interest.

This is a business lingo for industrial espionage, it seems, as Nokia is straight-out concerned that information might leak from Samsung's conveyor belts to the higher-ups, indicating what handsets the company has in the pipeline, and, from the inventors of things like the PureView camera tech, the cause for concern is easy to explai.

The source stopped short of accusing Samsung of doing just that sort of peeping, as the Koreans have always claimed that there is a firewall between its components business and mobile device engineering department. Yet these things have proven time and time again to rarely materialize as intended - one only needs to remember the promised separation of investment banking and advisory activities contributing to the financial crisis, or in our field of interest - the promised total operational autonomy of Motorola inside Google, which, judging from the Project X phone rumors, has been already thrown out of the window. 

In fact, the industry insider noted amusingly enough that "the 'firewall' between component sales and smartphones [at Samsung] is about as sturdy as a pile of kimchi.

They also mentioned how Samsung has "a record of getting orders for next-gen components, then canceling the orders. And then they show up in a Samsung phone. When you see a Samsung (certain specialized new design for) OLED phone as you surely will, you are looking at something that was stolen from Nokia."

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posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:26 30

1. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


Nokia and Apple can take a hike off a short bridge in your nearest city. Their smartphone solutions are useless in the tech game. Samsung doesn't need either of them that's for sure.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:52 19

73. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2182; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


I'm in complete agreement. It's obvious that Nokia is jealous of Samsung's recent success. They want to hurt Sammy's bottom line by no longer buying their products, but that's a lame approach. There's a reason they originally chose Samsung. Go buy inferior screens from another company & see how your product turns out. Then, we'll see who has the last laugh. Besides, another company is just gonna line up to buy them anyway.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 11:35 7

97. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)


Check facts: @g2a5b0e richardyarrell2011
The super LCD 2 screen on the HTC one series that is made by Sony gives Samsung and their oled screens a run for the money. as far as processors go the Snapdragon series is awesome, in fact if they are inferior, why did Samsung choose to implement them in last year samsung galaxy s2 minus the spring addition and this year Samsung Galaxy S 3 Series in the United States? Plus Nokia and something both make a phenomenal camera sensors. And Motorola is antenna is pretty much top of the line bar none.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:02 11

101. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2182; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


Actually, the reason Samsung decided to use the dual-core Snapdragon in the S3 in the US was because LTE had not yet been integrated with the quad-core Exynos chip & it was pretty much a requisite that the phone have LTE here. Perhaps you should check your facts. Besides, Nokia doesn't buy camera sensors or antennas from Samsung, so those points are irrelevant.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:34 1

110. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)


I understand why they went with Snapdragon here in United States, I know that fact well. I only stated the fact because if the snapdragon was "useless tech" why would Samsung use it instead of the other chip mnfrs broadcom, mediate, nvidia. But then again I wasn't speaking to you within that aspect. the only thing I was speaking directly to @g2a5b0e was the inferior screen argument. Everything else was in relation to ”useless tech solutions argument". So facts were checked well before I tossed my 2 cents in.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 14:04 2

119. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2182; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


I wasn't trying to argue the merits of AMOLED screens versus LCD ones. If Nokia decides to go the LCD route, then that's perfectly fine if that's what they want. I just meant that they won't find a better AMOLED than the one Samsung makes.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:19 5

106. rd_nest (Posts: 769; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


dude, you are retarded. that's a fact!

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:31 5

107. Taters (Posts: 3007; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


The Lumia 920 being riddled with problems might be because of this transition.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 11:56 8

100. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2458; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)


sounds like the truth hurts richard .....whats the matter samsung being a theif doesnt register in your mind?

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:34 3

109. Taters (Posts: 3007; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


So you are taking the word of a butt hurt Nokia insider(that makes a racist remark about Korean culture) at face value? Hate on!

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 18:04 1

128. dynamo.one (Posts: 62; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


all this sounds really weird..

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:27 15

2. nikenturd (unregistered)


Awww...bitter much Nokia?

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:28 26

3. nikenturd (unregistered)


The news reeks of envy and jealousy from Nokia and Apple

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:27 11

66. MrJerry (Posts: 393; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


Few years ago
Nokia: I'd like to order OLED screen from you sammy
Samsung: No problem :)

A little while later
Samsung: i am afraid that i have to cancel your orders
Nokia: Really? Thats too bad

Few years later. The present
Nokia to the public: Samsung has stolen our tech
= please give me some money so that i can buy our headquarter building back

The end

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:03 9

76. SamsungFan (Posts: 201; Member since: 16 Apr 2012)


Nökia is no match for SAMSUNG

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 11:16 18

95. Bappy (Posts: 25; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


Other way around...
Samsung is no match for Nokia's hardware & innovation

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 11:19 6

96. hepresearch (unregistered)


Yeah, but... Mr. Elop say hello... Nokia fall down go BOOM.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 18:12 1

129. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Nokia is dead, just like Apple, and soon Wp8 will to™

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 00:59

140. haseebzahid (Posts: 1827; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


hahaha u are so not gonna believe that for like 2 years now wp7 or 8 has not seen any decline in market share slow rise but still rise so u can bash all you want this rise mean its not failing its simple stats although u can fantasize anything

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 04:10

144. amansingal14 (Posts: 288; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)


@Troll, stop trolling around, and yeah get a life

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 13:40

153. hepresearch (unregistered)


I don't think Google's Android needs to be THE one-and-only one-world mobile OS solution. I still like to see a variety of choices out in the open.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 18:00 2

125. MrJerry (Posts: 393; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


"Samsung is no match for Nokia's hardware & innovation"

The article says Nokia had to order their awesome hardware from sammy but sammy canceled the order so Nokia couldnt make any s**t?

To sum up
Nokia has the best hardware which they can't make it
lol

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:30 28

4. emadshiny (Posts: 1131; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


really??
AMOLEDs are stolen from Nokia?
why they mention it so late? whats going on with you Nokia? don't let apple affect you.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:37 25

9. Yeahman (Posts: 33; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


Via AppleInsider... how surprising.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:45 14

12. emadshiny (Posts: 1131; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


if this game begins this is Nokia itself who will caught in trouble because their situation is not good in market and this can be the cause for their great downfall. they must forget about these bullsh!ts and continue their job.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:10 10

22. CardiWPfan (Posts: 129; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


Stop worrying about Nokia, Nokia will be just fine. Nokia is making a very smart move here in fact Samsung is not the only manufacturer of parts!! Its strictly a smart business move on Nokia's part.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:00 8

38. sonyisdead (banned) (Posts: 30; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


A smart move by cutting off a major supplier? Real smart. Apple decided to do that too and look at the disgusting quality control problems they have now. Not to mention the eroding profit margins as well.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:05 2

102. techtruth (Posts: 30; Member since: 07 Feb 2013)


elop and wp are the main causes of nokia's fall.. and now this

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:44 8

11. alterecho (Posts: 1082; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Thats new to me too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED . Interesting read there. Especially the mention of SLCD being developed as joint venture between Samsung and Sony.

I suspected Samsung from long ago though. But i thought Nokia and Samsung where friendly. One needs to look into the fact that most Nokia accessories are cross compatible with Samsung phones. The Nokia earphones work only on Nokia phones and some Samsung models. They even list Samsung models in the list of compatible devices. But then again, in the field of business you have to cautious, i guess.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:08 7

21. CardiWPfan (Posts: 129; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


Believe me there is more to this andyes Nokia and Samsung were close industry allies, up until recently. Nokia has to now severe ties with Samsung because of some suspect behaviour by Samsung. Everything will come to light very soon. Needless to say the Apple, debacle forced Nokia to Reevaluate its credentials.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:43 10

31. amansingal14 (Posts: 288; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)


Nokia N85 had AMOLED display and was announced in August 2008...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n85-2496.php

However Nokia does not say that AMOLED tech is theirs but says that Samsung cancelled the orders it made, and may be now using the new tech in their own device.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:16 9

43. sonyisdead (banned) (Posts: 30; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


Nokia did not invent AMOLED, and AMOLED has been in use long before Nokia first used it.

geiper.in/Reports/AMOLED.pdf

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:09 8

60. amansingal14 (Posts: 288; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)


I never said nokia invent Amoled, all I am saying is that it used it in Phones before anyone else...

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:34

108. Diego! (Posts: 505; Member since: 15 Jun 2009)


No it didn't! Samsung used AMOLED in a phone for the first time.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:37 1

83. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


nobody said they invented it...jeez...invention and technology are not the same bro...

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 20:22

135. ph00ny (Posts: 602; Member since: 26 May 2011)


SLCD joint venture came to an end recently. Samsung was the majority owner of the SLCD and sony sold their shares to samsung last year when they were having a lot of funding issues

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:00 22

18. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3012; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


I'm not in here for Nokia but you guys need to read right.
"a record of getting ORDERS for next-gen components, then CANCELLING the orders. And then they SHOW UP in a Samsung phone.
When you see a Samsung (certain specialized new design for) OLED phone as you surely will, you are looking at something that was stolen from Nokia."
In short, Nokia ordered...Samsung made...Samsung canceled...Samsung used the materials meant for Nokia. There...i got that by reading it.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:05 11

20. CardiWPfan (Posts: 129; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


Precisely thank you for summing that up in complete accuracy!! Samsung is using industrial reconnaissance to steal its opponents and rivals technology. Its something that needs to be addressed immediately!! I was on Samsung side the whole time until the Apple debacle and then it started to make complete sense. Also we must pay attention to what will be coming in the next 6 months technology wise.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:01 9

39. sonyisdead (banned) (Posts: 30; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


"Samsung is using industrial reconnaissance to steal its opponents and rivals technology. "

Do provide empirical evidence of this actually happening.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:53 1

113. Taters (Posts: 3007; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Evidence? Who needs that? All I need is baseless speculation, the good old USA, and some good lawyers! Thank you Apple!

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:51 1

112. Taters (Posts: 3007; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


HAHA I find it quite amusing how the only defense these companies have against the upcoming Asian juggernauts is to ruin their reputation by spreading false accusations, use of litigation in their home turf, and using the media.

Sure ZTE and Huawei has insider connections, it is called business NETWORKING and humans have been using that to their advantage for inside scoops for their entire existence. They even had to ban certain components, insider trading comes to mind.

These accusations against Samsung are even worse and more disgusting. Oh no, they cancelled our orders because their owner/parent company wanted them to concentrate on their own family business. How dare they! Those thieves!

Ever stop to think that if they had the factories set up to build OLED screens that size, that they would have access to the technology a long time ago?

I can't imagine that Nokia would teach them how to build an OLED manufacturing plant and NOT have a contract that disallows Samsung from cancelling their orders. It would be a breach of contract and no way Samsung would in court from that.

This is obviously BS.

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 15:22

156. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Didn't someone strip FOXBAT Fighter air craft to steal something? C'mon this happens everywhere.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:45 3

32. emadshiny (Posts: 1131; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


you're right but i think this can be a harmful move for Nokia.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:18 5

44. haseebzahid (Posts: 1827; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


yeah next thing Samsung with pure-view tech with different name sure who wont see it coming

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:46 3

33. MrJerry (Posts: 393; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


If you believe what he mentioned 100% for sure

But the contract paper between those kind of companies is not just piece of s**t.
You cant just order and cancel whenever you want
Dont you think? Its a huge deal made by the law

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:04 6

40. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3012; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


This is the first time i'm hearing Nokia say something like this (if there was any in the past, enlighten me, i would like to know.)
So one way to look at it now is Nokia playing the lawsuit game soon
Or they stay quiet, Or they change their supplier. Of course, like you said, if this news is entirely 100% true.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 11:54 1

99. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3012; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


By the way, have you come across any disclaimer that reads, "The 'manufacturer' has the right to cancel the orders at any given time depending on the availablity of the raw materials..." or whatever? That's quite possible too... Just giving you an example...

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:57

114. Taters (Posts: 3007; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


This is too specific though. In order for Samsung to be able to meet those yields, they would have to know about the technology a long, LONG time ago.

If Nokia commissioned Samsung to build an OLED plant, then Nokia deserves to ripped off if they signed a contract that would allow Samsung to jack their plant. haha

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 15:35 1

121. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3012; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


The history of OLED hits way back to the year 1950. Samsung started mass producing it in 2002-04... Almost a decade for a company to recieve billions.
Nokia released the N85 with AMOLED in 2008, but the 1st was BenQ-Siemens S88 in 2006.
That long enough?
By the way, who said Samsung built an OLED plant for Nokia?? Samsung built in on their own will, and when interests arose, other OEMs started ordering for themselves.
The 2nd part of your comment is delusional!!

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 17:41

124. Taters (Posts: 3007; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Look up the word IF in the dictionary and follow the context. Reading comprehension should be a better friend to you.

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 04:54

148. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3012; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


I know enough about the word 'if' to understand what you meant. I'm just making my point...in case you didn't notice. You make your point, i make mine...isn't that how it works??

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:39 2

84. eanpreou (Posts: 19; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


thank you. The stupidity here is nauseating.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:39 1

85. MartyK (Posts: 712; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Okay, my only question is this, what phone and what OS was going to use this Screen?.

See, the problem I am having is this, strange that ever since MS show up in Nokia company and their mobile market has fallen on hard times, they are screaming, " Samsung stole".

In today cell phone world everyone gets their part from the same people..

Samsung use Qualcomm chipset, so do several companies do that means Samsung stole from other companies?

Nokia needs to get their act together it's not 1 component that is keeping them from being number one.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:49 1

89. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


symbian ofcourse...duh..

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 07:15

149. nasznjoka (Posts: 339; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


Ordered by Nokia but made by WHO?

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:13 5

23. jsdechavez (Posts: 703; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


@emadshiny, I think they were referring to NEW OLED tech that is yet to come out. Samsung owns AMOLEDs but they are not the only innovators in OLED.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:19 3

26. CardiWPfan (Posts: 129; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


Absolutely correct!

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:58 3

56. erico (Posts: 4; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


where'd you see Nokia claiming AMOLED as their tech? Bsides Super AMOLED is Samsung's term for an AMOLED like Nokia's ClearBlack Displays used in their AMOLED screens or PureMotion on the 920's LCD screen
Companies have different ways to innovate with technology existing standard technology and Nokia are somehow afraid that you might see the Galaxy S IV with a ClearBlack type of display which is clearly Nokia's work or a PureMotion type of display!

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 13:01

115. Taters (Posts: 3007; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Sony has used clear black filters for awhile now. They call it tru black or something. The only reason Sony isn't getting accused is because they are not HUGE like Samsung is.

Look at what Apple started. The mobile industry is becoming a land mine now.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:42 4

87. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


Nokia's first AMOLED display phone N85 released in Q3 2008
Samsung's first Samsung i8910 release Q1 2009

Its not about who invented AMOLED, its about technology (ex: CBD of Nokia), form factor and usage.

Sorry if I'm wrong..that's what I found...

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