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Apple whips out a Nokia Lumia and Xperia arc at court and says "Not every phone needs to look like an iPhone!"

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Apple whips out a Nokia Lumia and Xperia arc at court and says
Nokia and Sony got a little pep talk about the design of their Lumia and Xperia handsets during the closing arguments in the Apple-Samsung trial yesterday, when Apple's star lawyer Harold McElhinny whipped out an unspecified Lumia plus an Xperia arc, and exclaimed: "Not every phone has to look like an iPhone!

The Lumia line design is in turn directly borrowed from the work on the MeeGo-powered Nokia N9. The Finns mentioned that they didn't really have time to think about other groundbreaking chassis types for their first Windows Phone batche, so they used what was exclusive in the design studio at the moment, and in advanced stage of production, like the signature policarbonate unibody in flashy colors.

For its next Windows Phone devices Nokia said it is venturing into other memorable design paradigms, so we can't wait to see what September 5 brings, because, frankly, once you've hit the multicore chipsets and HD screens stage, design is pretty much your chief means of differentiation in the tangible realm.

source: TheVerge

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posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:07 3

1. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


How the hell does the Arc resemble an iPhone?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:09 33

3. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


the lawyer was using the devices as examples that not all phones have to look like iPhones.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:23 33

5. shimshim (Posts: 18; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


you're the most stupid person i know.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:33 10

19. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5633; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


that's mean, i don't see why this has so many thumbs up.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 06:55 12

31. s.mrabet (Posts: 117; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


because he dont read the article, just blindly comment! and thats stupid

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:45 4

40. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Wow man thanks. Now I know I'm "The most" in something.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 09:24 2

49. Commentator (Posts: 2467; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


Really? Where do you know him from?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:30 1

6. Ohrules (Posts: 324; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)


smh.....

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:49 19

11. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


You so lazy you can t even read a short article
Fag !

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:26 3

15. Mittal (Posts: 434; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


youve got a nice sence of humour!! lolz...

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:43 1

39. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


I read the whole article damn it. :)

The idea didn't register in my head. I just figured out (after reading your very nice comments) that he was saying the Arc and the Lumia are examples of phones that DOESN'T look like iPhones. I thought he whipped out the two phones because they are examples of phones that look like an iPhone. Etc, etc. Why am I explaining?

Sorry for acquiring hate (in the form of thumb downs). :p

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:08 10

2. loken (Posts: 462; Member since: 09 May 2012)


shame on u apple... bringing sony to this mess again..

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:51 7

12. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


What's wrong With that ?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:38 12

21. dblue45 (Posts: 77; Member since: 26 Aug 2009)


Well that's more like giving Nokia and Sony a credit for their designs calling them more original!

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 06:50 4

29. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5920; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Hmmm. If Apple is having to explain how MS and Sony phones are not copy-cats, things must not be perceived to be going too well inside the Apple legal team. There is a saying in U.S. politics - if you have to explain your position, you are losing the debate....

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:46 3

41. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


You see? We understood the article the same way!!!! We thought Apple was s**tting on Nokia and Sony!

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:17 23

4. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Well excuse me for a moment Apple but both the nokia lumia,and Sony arc come in black colours,both are rectangular in shape,both have a touchscreen central in the front of the device,both have a speaker above the screen and both have a central home button below the screen either in capacity or button format. Both devices also use a variant of 'slide to unlock' to unlock the screen also. The sony arc also uses a touchscreen icon grid system in the app drawer like samsung,a grid menu system being used in phones from nokia etc for years before apple in candy bar button phones.

Aren't these features essentially the whole list of things Apple has been crying about Samsung about?!

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:00 8

13. AndroidShiz (Posts: 145; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)


It's cause they pose zero threat.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:27 2

17. Mittal (Posts: 434; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


lolz.. good 1

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:50 6

25. RamyRamz69 (Posts: 390; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


All cars have a bumper, wheels, engine, seats and a roof. But you can tell when Kia makes something really similar looking to Toyota.

Posted from my Sony Xperia Arc. I can even attach a picture if you want to realize that not only Apple fan-boys don't like Samsung.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 06:48 6

28. remixfa (Posts: 14059; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i think his point was, that if you watch apple's "evidence", its all about how you "feel" about the design. They stressed their "curved rectangle", centered screen, and large home button during the trial like they invented it. Apple never went into detail, Samsung did. Detail kills their case. Apple's case was presented in kindergarten descriptions.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:05 6

33. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4335; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Exactly. Notice how Apple only pulls out phones that are not a threat to them. Imagine if the Nokia or the Sony were selling like Samsung is right now, then they DEFINITELY would not have shown those 2 models.

Apple is full of absolute BS. remixfa you are so right about the kindergarten presentation. lol

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 08:01 1

45. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Good idea for a metaphor, except Toyota "copies" Kia nowadays. Hyundai too. Hyundai and Kia have both set the design bar, and other manufacturers are trying to match it. Seemingly only Ford and Mazda have matched or surpassed that bar

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:00 3

50. RamyRamz69 (Posts: 390; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


Oh please, the Cerato is a blatant copy of a Corrola. Not the other way around.

Also why would Japanese industrial designers copy Korean industrial designers?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 11:00 1

52. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3022; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Hey Appy!!! Build cars and start suing motobrands too!!! :D

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:11 5

34. poddey (Posts: 75; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


I believe you are missing the point... yes the Sony Xperia Arc and Nokia Lumia 900 share those traits with the iPhone 3GS BUT they look nothing like the iPhone whereas the SGS2 does.

That's not to say that people would confuse the SGS2 for the iPhone when they are about the make the purchase. Whether this means that Apple should win I'll leave up to the jury in the court of law but to the common man/woman on the street the resemblance that the GS2 bears to the 3GS is undeniable.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:21 1

35. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 804; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


In regards to the speakers above the screen I believe all phones have that one since it's the perfect place to place your ears to receive calls. . .
And no sony's app drawer isn't the same as what samsung uses, sony's app drawer is almost bland while sumsung's part is more elaborate. . .
I believe that so called apple star witness is implying that if you glance at both of those phones you wont mistake it for an iPhone. Oh well this is still ridiculous in many ways anyway. . .

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:36 2

38. frydaexiii (Posts: 1239; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


Yeah, if the Arc sold 2 million over it's opening weekend or if the Lumia even hit the 2 million mark, they'll be telling a different story.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:51 1

42. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Zing! Well said andro.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:33 5

7. phitch (Posts: 214; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


You know, except the Lumia looks like the old iPod Nano design.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:35 5

8. MeoCao (unregistered)


Well, most stupid argument from a professional lawyer.

Those phones can be different, but make them in minimalist style and they all look similar, and that's not crime.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:29 3

37. poddey (Posts: 75; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


Spot on. That's the problem with Apple's design patent - it is too generic.

A smartphone is going to be somewhat rectangular because the screen is a rectangle and rounded corners serve an ergonomic function. To say that no one else should be allowed to make a rectangular smartphone with rounded corners and a centred screen is like saying no one else can build a rectangular car with angled front and back windscreens and have an equal length front and rear overhang from the wheels.

Taking the car analogy one step further you would say that you should still be able to build a car with those same characteristics as long as you can add other design elements to make it look different - which is what Sony and Nokia have done but Samsung have (deliberately) failed to do.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 08:10 2

46. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Agreed. Their patent describes many prior things. Clipboards, appliances, pencil boxes, laptops, erasers, remote controls, some floor tile... It's a ridiculous patent. I'd live it if a lawyer for Samsung would have taken a generic clipboard, had it painted to match the color of an iPad, put a piece of tape in the middle to cover where the logo would be, and ask the witnesses and apple folks to identify it, then reveal that it's just a clipboard. Better if it's an old clipboard, like from pre-apple days

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:36 4

9. shuaibhere (Posts: 1657; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


And there is no need that only one phone should have face centred rectangular screen with moulded edges.....

Is there any rule like that??

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:47 9

10. wendygarett (unregistered)


both iphone and n9 design are old but why n9 looks way better than iphone? maybe it just me :)

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:23 6

14. i_am_aman (Posts: 13; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


Judge: F**k iPhone... where can I get one of these?? :P :D

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:26 1

16. haseebzahid (Posts: 1836; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


from which side does lumia looks like a iphone(which actully looks like a brick)

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:29

18. Mittal (Posts: 434; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


LMAO... u r not alone...read the first few comments!!

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:35 3

20. i_am_aman (Posts: 13; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


Now a days, We've so many Einsteins crawling all over the web.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:38 6

22. smallworld (Posts: 438; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


HA Even Apple acknowledges that Sony makes unique phones!

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 09:23

48. .POLICE. (banned) (Posts: 7; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)


The world acknowledges that SONY makes unique design's!

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:39 3

23. Awaragardiyan (Posts: 39; Member since: 17 May 2012)


Not every iphone(after 3gs) needs to be look like Nokia HS 45 AD 54 that came with Nokia 5800 Xpress Music in 2008

http://mob744.photobucket.com/albums/xx85/pakistan81/earphones/images.jpg?t=1283372937

http://cnn.cn/shop/images/Nokia%20Music%20Headset%20HS-45%20AD-54%201.JPG

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:28

36. smallworld (Posts: 438; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


Yeah... but apparently the iphone 4 design is much older than that (2005).

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:49 5

24. Aeires (unregistered)


They could have held up a S3 and gotten the same point across.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:57 2

26. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


They coulda held up a G Nex too. I read that Apple plans to name the G Nex in an upcoming lawsuit....

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 06:22 1

27. Odeira (Posts: 15; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Surprising that Apple actually recognises that the Nokia Lumia became "successful without copying the design of the iPhone."

I won't be surprised if Apple gazes at Windows Phone next...

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 06:52 2

30. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


NOkia makes unique phones that are recognizable as a Nokia brand rather than any brand. That is why the N9 is recognized as a Nokia brand rather than an Apple brand.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:00 2

32. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


and lets see how many arcs sold.. and the nokia is rectangle shaped... all smart phones are basically that shape as is the iphone.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:57 1

43. jack1059 (Posts: 72; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)


I'm so sick of all this BS. Apple, or anyone else, does not own the black with rounded edges rectangle. Nor does it own an icon that looks like an old telephone. Nor a finger motion. Apple has set the standard that virtually everyone is now following. That's it. End of story. Everyone needs to stop using this antiquated patent system as a way to protect their market share.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:58

44. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


it brings to question why would you want to?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 09:22

47. jibraihimi (Posts: 695; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Samsung should have brought original Prada phone to court, in response to this............ :) Apple should also Learn to be original..........

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 10:49 1

51. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 245; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


The only reason why they're not suing Nokia or Sony is because Apple doesn't see them as a threat.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 19:28 1

53. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6675; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


They only show those phones because it doesn't THREATENED Apple's stock/sales of the iPhone. Look at HTC it doesn't looks like the iPhone but yet they BAN THEM and HTC is loosing sales because of it

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 22:45 1

54. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


nokia and sony always make different looking phones... samsung always copies!!!

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