Samsung announces that it produces the Snapdragon 820 SoC using its second-gen 14nm FinFET process

2. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

Sd820 VS E8890 Is Completely Fair Because Of It.

3. NonFanBoy (Posts: 175; Member since: 28 May 2015)

Exynos 8890 will probably have a more powerful CPU but Snapdragon 820 will have a better GPU. Currently CPU performance of SoCs are fast enough already, but its the GPU performance that matters with the high resolution displays and VR gaining momentum.

Also a SoC is not just about the CPU and GPU, the Snapdragon modem will likely be superior to the Shenon modem used in Exynos as Shenon is still relatively young.

There are other things as well like improved security offered by Snapdragon with Smart Protect, the new finger print sensor and a few other things.

Snapdragon would likely be more power efficient as well because of the lower number of cores. All in all, Snapdragon seems to be a better choice but then again, until both the SoCs are in the market, everything is mere speculation.

4. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

Exactly Whichever Soc Has The Best GPU Is The Better Soc.

10. johanbiff (Posts: 414; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)

is there any info on how the t880-mp12 hold up against the adreno 530?

14. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

I Don't Think Any Gpu Benchmarks Have Been Leaked. Well There Is This But It Doesn't Include E8890 Scores Tho.http://www.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_820_off_the_charts_on_antutu_scoring_131000-news-15468.php
Better To Wait On Official Scores By Released Devices.

21. vincelongman (Posts: 5068; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)

We have the Kirin 950's T880 MP4, which gives us a rough idea of how the E8890's T880 MP12 could perform

T880 MP4
Manhattan 3.0 Offscreen: 18.2 fps

So if the E8890's T880 MP12 was also clocked at 900MHz it could get roughly around 54 fps (18 fps*3)

But its not that simple, we need to take into account:
e.g.
*GPUs almost scale linearly, but not quite 100% linearly
*Thermals/efficiency, Samsung probably wont clock their T880 MP12 at 900MHz otherwise it may throttle, maybe something like 500-700MHz
*TSMC's new 16FF+ vs Samsung's new 14LPP
*Samsung's E8890 probably has more memory bandwidth
*Kirin's 3 year old ARM CCI-400 vs Samsung's new custom SCI interconnect

And much more

34. may_czos (Posts: 847; Member since: 22 Nov 2014)

@vincelongman
You can't simply add cores and their performance. It's not that simple. Only 70% of the next core's performance adds up. So even though E8890 will have many GPU cores, it won't uoutperform Adreno 530. They will be pretty close with a small edge to the Adreno in terms of performance and huge edge thanks to lower power consumption.

41. vincelongman (Posts: 5068; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)

That's what I said

Source for:
"Only 70% of the next core's performance adds up."
Pure BS
If there's no thermal issues or bandwidth issues, GPUs almost scale linearly
E.g.
The A9X/A8X performs twice as well as the A9/A8
Only major GPU difference is the A9X/A8X have twice the GPU cores and bandwidth of the A9/A8 (also the A9X does lacks the A9's L3 cache, which should worsen GPU performance)

23. joseanand (Posts: 27; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)

there was a gfx benchmark leaked on weibo earlier they both have just 1fps difference.

gsmarena.com/samsung_prepares_exynos_8870_chip_for​_meizu_as_2016_chipsets_get_benchmarked-news-15740​.php

15. vincelongman (Posts: 5068; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)

I'd prefer the most efficient SoC
Minor speed differences in CPU and GPU speed aren't as noticeable in normal usage
I want the SoC that uses the least battery and remains the coolest

18. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

That's Very Important As Well. I Feel Like The Efficiency Of The Sd820 And E8890 Will Be Similar Since They Will Be Using The Same 14nm FinFET process. Guess We'll Just Have To Wait And See.

17. medtxa (Posts: 1341; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)

Battery life matters more, even if its for gaming you would rather have lower fps but longer play time. Right?

19. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

Yes I Would Rather Play Longer If Possible, As Long As There Is Little To No Lag.

20. TyrionLannister (unregistered)

Both will have almost exactly equal GPUs:

http://thedroidreview.com/snapdragon-820-and-exynos-8890-gpu-comparison-which-chipset-takes-the-crown-6266

22. vincelongman (Posts: 5068; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)

This is what I'm expecting
Samsung are fabbing Qualcomm's 820, they will know how it performs
I reckon they will set their clock speed to just beat the 820's GPU

24. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

I Don't Think It Will Be That Similar. We'll Just Have To Wait And See Won't We.

25. johanbiff (Posts: 414; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)

if I don`t remember wrong, where there not a leak on t880 with over 100FPS in T-rex OS?

26. johanbiff (Posts: 414; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)

http://wccftech.com/samsung-mongoose-core-details/

here it is, prob just a test of what it`s capible off..think samsung will tone it down to Adreno 530 score

29. alex3run (Posts: 715; Member since: 18 May 2014)

Pretty much sure that Mali as usual will outperform Adreno. Or they will equate.

31. marorun (Posts: 5029; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

Also SD 820 support both the ultra high speed onboard memory and SD at the same time with no slowdown.

Also has an hardware based anti malware.
Better Camera processing chip ect.

As NonFanBoy said CPU are now more than fast enuf we need bigger GPU instead.

33. may_czos (Posts: 847; Member since: 22 Nov 2014)

@NonFanBoy,
Exynos 8890 is going to score higher in multicore benchmarks because it has more cores. SD820 will be better in single score performance. They also "fixed" the Adreno GPU to achieve the best all around performance. Combined with incredible memory bandwidth SD820 should mean very fast and snappy real world perfoemance. 8890 will be no slouch either but I'm worried about the power consumption. 8 CPU and 12GPU cores will need a lot of energy. Samsung claims that 8890 will be 10% more power efficient than 7420. Thing is - with 50% performance increase it means significant increase in power consumption under load..

37. johanbiff (Posts: 414; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)

one thing I don`t get is Samsungs new finfet 14nm is by it`s own 15% more efficient then the old finfet 14nm. so how is 8890 only 10% more efficient then 7420? it should be atleast 25% if im not mistaken :\

38. Fardon (Posts: 96; Member since: 24 Nov 2014)

Key word is "up to" :)

7420 was already quite efficient.
The 810 > 820 jump in efficiency should be quite significant however!

5. combatmedic870 (Posts: 931; Member since: 02 Sep 2015)

Well with one being quad and the other being Octacore. It's really not going to be that interesting. The GPU's will be interesting.

16. wargreymon (Posts: 763; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)

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