Snapdragon 810 delay rumors emerge again as the chip's heading towards the Samsung Galaxy S6 and LG G4
posted by Luis D. / Jan 08, 2015, 8:29 AM
A trio of J.P. Morgan analysts from South Korea claims that the Snapdragon 615 and 810 processors are overheating, with the problem being especially present in the latter, whose Cortex-A57 cores reportedly heat up excessively when their frequencies go past the "barely there" 1.4 GHz stage and enter "performance beast" mode. According to Geekbench results, this causes a "serious throttling problem" that severely limits graphics performance. In addition, the 810's clock rate was reported as lower than the current generation Snapdragon 805, and memory controller problems were present as well.
Thus, the analysts believe that Qualcomm and manufacturing partner TSMC will have to delay production by a quarter, spending an additional month prototyping and re-designing metal layers on the chip, and an additional two completing the final product's metal layer mask. This means the chip won't be in circulation until May 2015 at the earliest. This is quite concerning, as the report claims that both the upcoming Samsung Galaxy S6 and the LG G4 will be using the Snapdragon 810. This is hardly surprising, but it shows how the industry will be impacted by Qualcomm's inability to deliver the processor on time.
While nothing stops Samsung and LG from announcing their flagships as planned, it could take longer than expected before they reach customers' hands. Meanwhile, Qualcomm's Chinese partners, such as Xiaomi, could opt for powerful processors from MediaTek and NVIDIA, while Samsung might be giving its own Exynos 7 Octa chips a run. So we'll have to wait and see what the future spells for Qualcomm and its dominant grip on the mobile processor market.
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i do know that the desire 820 which has snapdragon 615 heats up lnsane. and at the end apple's low clocked better architecture seems the way to go.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 8:39 AM 3
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seems like only apple know how to develop armv8 architecture mobile chip without issues. even ARM own designed core has so much issues and canot face the market up until now. i doubt samsung exynos 7 which is using ARM"s designed core will have no issues, lets hope qualcomm come up with their own design.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 9:15 AM 2
The exynos 7 on note 4 has absolutely no heat issues. In fact, it heats up less than and doesn't throttle like snapdragon 805. Also the 14 nm technology is ready at samsung's plant so the 7420 will most probably be 14 nm. That will even increase performance. Samsung knows how to use big.LITTLE now after initial failures in s4 and note 3. The galaxy alpha and note 4's exynos chips have 0 issues and insane performance. P.S. I own ipad air 2. So I'm not a samsung fanboy or so. The A8 and A8x are awesome but the 5430 and 5433 are great too. It's qualcomm who's lagging.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 9:59 AM 8
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The exynos in galaxy note 4 has disabled 64-bit processing, maybe beacuse of those heating issues. Maybe enabled 64-bit processing makes snapdragons overheat and also makes exynos 7 late (same chip as 5433 but with 64-bit enabled)
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 11:44 AM 0
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Exynos 5433 is running in 32bit mode (AArch32) that's why it hasn't heating issues. We'll see what's next when Lollipop with its AArch64 ready ART (Android RunTime) will kick in ;-) Source:http://browser.primatelabs.com
/geekbench3/1666545 (Geekbench 3.3.1 for Android AArch32)
When it will be used at its full capabilities it will be way hotter :D
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 3:31 PM 0
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What GPU should they use ? There is a difference between benchmark world and real world. Mali GPU are good in real use, not benchmark. Look at the last Gamebench post on Asphalt 8. Exynos : Median FPS : 55 S805 : Medan FPS : 42 BUT, if you prefer having great numbers on Antutu, you should take Snapdragon :)
posted on Jan 09, 2015, 5:19 AM 0
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I'm really not a fan of the big little architecture. I believe that well designed and optimised 4 cores would mitigate a lot of issues that big little tries to solve.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 8:42 AM 7
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How ??? The entire silicon valley with all their experience and IQ of over 160 can't figure out the solution which you seem to done so.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 8:55 AM 1
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If you look at Qualcomm since the SD800 came out, performance was there, but they always suffered from throttling issues. Same with Exynos and Tegra, if you read Anandtech. Apple is the only chip designer who seems to be able to sustain performance. That leads me to believe that big.little and quadcores, in phones, are only great in benchmarks.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 9:53 AM 2
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What about the Xperia Z4? WIll it have Snapdragon 810 or maybe Tegra X1? But please, don't give us Snapdragon 805.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 8:43 AM 3
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yeah i really wish it is not equipped with S805 also but also not with a 'bugged' S810 If you want the truth, i am being sure that it will equip a 4 GB RAM more than that it will equip S810 but i really wish it has any other processor than the S805, and mediaTek of course i hope that it comes like we want
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 9:18 AM 5
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The guy in the snapdragon shirt is a iphonearena writer I bet.
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 8:49 AM 0
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how the f**k snapragon have thats problems and samsung dont have this heating isuues with exynos 5433 ( the same cpu cores ). snapdrogon is behins exynos processors in this moment....
posted on Jan 08, 2015, 9:22 AM 7
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