South Korean technological alliances anxious about Microsoft's Nokia acquisition
Microsoft's Nokia acquistion has sparked concerns among the associations of South Korean technological manufacturers about possible opportunities for patent abuse. As the two companies are undergoing business combination reviews in the country under supervision by the Fair Trade Commission, local manufacturers have petitioned the bureau about the possible consequences of the merger. Reportedly, they fear that Microsoft could utilize Nokia's large patent portfolio in anti-competitive practices.
This sounds quite ambiguous, as Microsoft doesn't actually own Nokia's patents - it has only licensed them for use in products. Likewise, Korean firms fear that Nokia has the ability to use MS' mobile patents to sue or demand increased royalties from Korean firms if it chooses to do so. Or in other words, to become a "patent troll". Again, this seems unjustified, as the company only has “reciprocal rights” to use Microsoft patents in its HERE services.
Earlier this year, Nokia's CTO Henry Tirri explained that after handing over its mobile business to Microsoft, the company will turn its focus to technological research, development, and patent licensing. Nokia has one of the largest communication portfolios in the industry and it's understandable that it will be looking to turn it into a revenue source. It seems that the company's new patent-centric business is making Asian manufacturers feel uneasy about its presence. However, Tirri insists that Nokia will not become a patent troll, but it will follow other licensing companies' good business practices.
Nokia's Microsoft acquisition has already been approved in the USA, Europe, and India, but it's yet to get an "yes" from Korean and Chinese authorities.
1. Altair (Posts: 325; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Irony here is, that these copycats and thieves are worried about the most honest mobile OEM in the world.
Imagine all those patents in hands of shameless Shamesung, yeah its easy to see what they would do with them. A copycat knows all dirty tricks and knows how to be worried too.
Problem here is, that not all are the same. Not everyone act like shameless thieves and copycats.
3. joey_sfb (Posts: 3003; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
With all the Samsung patents, I have yet to hear that they sue any one with it other then the ones that are actively fighting them like Apple and LG.
Altair is a bitter Samsung hater. Lol! I wonder what kind of kick he gets from trolling Samsung.
I will just keep buying Samsung like the rest of the world and leave the bitter hater to drown in their own misery.
5. papss (unregistered)
I agree with the first part. The Koreas that have many of the worst copycat offenders and china that is the biggest offender of copycats. They had no problem with patent troll google stripping a legendary company of its only real asset and then sold the carcass to a foreign mfg. If I were a betting man I'd say google did some persuasion here. It reeks of there nonsense
31. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Did you really just call Google a patent troll but you proudly defend one of the biggest patent trolls on the planet in M$? And wasn't it Microsoft that engineered the downfall of one of its greatest rivals and are now going to strip it of some of its most valuable resources, watch it twist in the wind and scoop up whats left? Dude, you're as funny as the day is long. Seriously, someone call Palpatine, the HATE is STRONG in this one!
33. papss (unregistered)
Nice spin on reality and stop with the star wars references.. Its pretty lame dude.
did m$ take Nokia's patents? No okay then
36. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3556; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
No, that was Microsoft, and Nokia, that "engineered the downfall of one of its greatest rivals".....
40. Finalflash (Posts: 1802; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Just MS and their mole actually, the poor saps working at Nokia had no real say in it. Also, MS did take some of Nokia's patents and will likely use them for trolling purposes guaranteed.
41. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3556; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Was it Nokia's decision or not? Yes! That is fact.. Because the cleaning crew didn't like it doesn't mean that it wasn't a conscious, lawful, and competent decision made by Nokia....
.............. How immature is it that you would think of MS as some kind of pirate, like they overtook Nokia in some kind of unjust way, against Nokias will.. Lol! Grow up......
It's called business whether you like it or not.
12. ph00ny (Posts: 606; Member since: 26 May 2011)
So which current handset from Samsung looks like nokia? Problem is with MS more so than Nokia since MS is already collecting royalties from every android manufacturer
27. lyndon420 (Posts: 1769; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
I don't know about you, but I sure wouldn't mind knowing what these 'secret' patents are that ms uses to bully OEM's into their 'Android Licence Fee' program. And why are they secret in the first place???
34. a_merryman (Posts: 685; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
Yes, god forbid that if companies use technology that you developed they should pay you royalties to use it. That just makes no sense. /s
23. lyndon420 (Posts: 1769; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
I don't think anyone is really worried about Nokia themselves, but more so the negative push they will get from ms who is a well known patent troll.
29. Finalflash (Posts: 1802; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
MS is the most honest mobile OEM in the world? Well now I've heard everything.
2. pwnarena (Posts: 936; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)
why should they be afraid if they are not violating any of those patents? nokia is dying and windows phone couldn't make big strides. they should expect what they should expect.
6. tech2 (Posts: 2200; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
except that it will.
And once the transition is complete and Nokia is a part of MS they'll also let the Nokia X rot. They'll probably stop the release of a successor or discontinue the support and updates for the device (which BTW is built upon AOSP 4.1, released ages ago).
7. papss (unregistered)
I think that largely depends on how profitable the x line is .
8. tech2 (Posts: 2200; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
MS doesn't care about customers or sales. Remember what they did to WP 7 owners ?
Also, I am yet to find a reason why someone would chose Nokia X over Lumia 520 which is a very successful, well-supported phone. Not to mention way better app store than Nokia X's. Also, AOSP 4.1 is not that great on lower specs and might lag unlike Kitkat. Also 4.1 was very vulnerable to malwares as it didn't had Google's Bouncer which routinely checks your phone for suspicious apps.
10. papss (unregistered)
They don't care about customers or sales? Now that's just silly talk.
17. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3556; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Doesn't care about customers or sales... Foolish!... Tell that to the millions of people using, and continuing to purchase, MS products everyday...
They are buying a devices division and they don't care about sales?... Ok.
9. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2694; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
I don't think so, but if this things happens then no one will trust Nokia and this would also affect MS. As most of the WP 7 / 7.5 users moved to Android because of no support or got only or restricted to 7.8.
16. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3556; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Most moved?... Proof please.. And, I won't argue with you if its valid.
20. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2694; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
I don't have any online proofs to show you my friend :) but couple of my friends out of 3 (in Mumbai where I stay) moved to Android.
The reason was no upgrade to 8/8.1 and yes Apps.
25. papss (unregistered)
I've moved a few from android to wp8 because of malware and lagging.. I don't have proof but it happened ;)
37. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3556; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
A couple of your friends.... Ok.... Clock out, dude.. You're fired.
24. elitewolverine (Posts: 1731; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Hey how are those android devices that cant move from 2.xx to 4.xx doing? I see them sold as new devices every day...welcome to reality
47. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2694; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Reality was apps and support at that time as WP was nothing or very less as compared to Android a year and a half time ago. Now we can get many major apps on WP, I'm not against WP and I love it. I Wanna buy WP but after releasing of 8.1. Just eagerly waiting for it.
Lumia 800 time (2011-12) for my friends was bad.
13. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
Every phone on the planet earth uses Nokia patents, because Nokia has been pioneer in phones for decades. Companies worry, because Nokia, used to make a living from manufacturing cell phones, and patent fees weren't company's main focus. Now it looks like it's going to be its only profit.
22. joey_sfb (Posts: 3003; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
In full agreement. Nokia focus was phone. In the future just patent. A team of engineers focusing on creating patents and collecting royalty.
If every companies think in this manner we are all screwed.
26. papss (unregistered)
What about google buying Moto for its massive amount of patents and selling the company skin to a foreign company? That's okay for you?
30. joey_sfb (Posts: 3003; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
No. Google should use their 12.5 billons for research, bringing great products into the market and promotion of their own services.
But because of patent aggression by Apple, and Microsoft showing signs of following Apple business practice by doing every thing on their own.
Google is forced to buy Motorola and Android.
Android to protect their Ads revenue if Microsoft choose to completely cut them loose.
Motorola to create a patent shield against Apple attack on Android. Google did give Motorola a chance but they failed. Motorola X and G is still bleeding lots of money. They are not an hardware company but its good that they pass it to someone that knows hardware. Lenova has acquired from IBM Computing their PC business and thrive. Remember the Thinkpad series. Its still Lenovo premium models.
I know its impossible for me to convince you but you can do your own research and form your own opinion.
Its ok everyone is suppose to have their own opinion.
15. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3556; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Nokia isn't dying... That's dumb, and uninformed.. Not true at all.. Are you saying that 5 years from now there will be no Nokia?
19. joey_sfb (Posts: 3003; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
After the sales to Microsoft, Nokia don't sell phone anymore. They are selling what we don't know at this time. Maybe rubber tires like they used to.
What the OEM is afraid of is paying large amount of royalty to two entities, Microsoft and Nokia. Such sales traditionally transfer the patents as well. People may finger point Google is doing it as well. Yes, the OEMs are not worry about Google perhaps they are yet to get sued by Google plus they even view it as an advantage, extra protection from Google.
28. papss (unregistered)
Dude it still isn't different in nature.. Google did the same thing but since they sold to an Asian country they have no problem with it. This whole thing reeks of google influence
39. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3556; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Nokia isn't all about phones.. Are you serious?... They didn't get bought by MS, and aren't dying... What?
49. colonel (Posts: 9; Member since: 22 Jun 2013)
How can a company with HUGE patent base die? this is what i hate about phonearena. this site is filled with hypocates and blind fan boys.
"Nokia has one of the largest communication portfolios in the industry and it's understandable that it will be looking to turn it into a revenue source."
Did you read the article.
21. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1100; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
hmm again I say did Google get into all this flak when it bought Motorola I do not think it did?
it seems to me maybe the creation of the Nokia "X" Phones has scared the hell out of Google because it's a variation of Android OS smart phones it cannot control. likewise
Samsung and others do not want Nokia Android OS smart phones around at all. The "X" phones are no threat now but it can side load Googles Play store apps with the right software packages which are being developed as we speak and then it will be a threat. the Koreans want to keep the low end market to themselves they do not want Nokia/Microsoft to be in it and will
fight against it
32. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Google recieved tons of flack when it brought Moto. The Chinese government being one of the main ones that was weary about it and needed extra assurances. Google also caught flack from its Android partners. And I'm quite sure Google nor any Android partner is worried about Nokia developing an Android phone. If M$ does not kill the phone outright once the deal goes through(IF the deal goes through and I'll be surprised if M$ doesn't kill the X line) it will never be sold in North America or Western Europe due to M$ not wanting competition there for its Lumia devices by yet another Android device. A device that if M$'s strategy backfires, could lead the consumers they're trying to get straight to Android.