Sorry Windows Phone, you just don't matter right now
13. sgodsell (Posts: 3247; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Michael H. You clearly haven't been looking at tablet sales. Android still sells more tablets combined than Apple. 100% a fact.
29. TerryTerius (Posts: 1542; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
That's true. But as far as a device from any single manufacture goes, the iPad tops everybody. That's what he meant.
44. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)
Microsoft should rip mobile win and migrate to android with their phones..
80. grbrao (Posts: 278; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
MS need not to migrate to android, just bring the surface phone with 6"inch display with surface pro stlyus support , 4GB RAM, 64GB internal storage, best cam from nokia tech with 4500mAp battery and get the major popular apps to windows store... Its as simple as that, than they making a android phone........
19. AkoSiKuting (banned) (Posts: 88; Member since: 09 Dec 2015)
waiting Michael to say sorry android tablet, sorry chromebook, sorry android wear... oh wait, Micheal article never against Google and Android :)
25. AkoSiKuting (banned) (Posts: 88; Member since: 09 Dec 2015)
Because Apple devices are OP period :)
69. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)
And outdated, selling at high price.
34. TerryTerius (Posts: 1542; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
Chromebooks have been improving YOY as far as sales go whereas PC and laptop sales have been declining/flat. Android is the most popular OS on earth by miles (and is still gaining marketshare) and Android tablets are in the majority even though Apple sells more tablets than any single manufacturer.
In order words your complaint makes no sense outside the context of wearables, updates or fragmentation. Reality is reality. Windows Mobile is currently contracting in both sales and market share, Android is the opposite. That's how things stand for the time being.
73. hemedans (Posts: 460; Member since: 01 Jun 2013)
android tablets are declining while windows tablets are rising, there is some sense in his comment
109. TerryTerius (Posts: 1542; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
All tablet sales are falling. That's like bragging you're the biggest fish in a drying pond.
59. Pavarottipig (Posts: 17; Member since: 29 Jan 2016)
Its LINUX, Linux will never die! Its open source!
31. Jairus24 (Posts: 48; Member since: 20 Jan 2012)
Yet, Microsoft is still rich regardless of their mobile status because they get money from patent royalty on every Android device activated.
113. joey_sfb (Posts: 5345; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
One of the top reason why Windows Phone fans are pawn by Microsoft.
85. Piyath_ale (Posts: 79; Member since: 02 Nov 2015)
Y so paragraphs? This is the exact few words have to be told. Windows phone OS was not intuitive and beautiful. Sometimes it's less practical than others too. Low app count plus ungly UI + fierce competition made windows phone os RIP. Android is cheap and functional for the most part. IOS is beautiful and has many many quality apps even though it's expensive. That's why people continue to live with Android and IOS. Keep in mind, iOS is beautiful than android and it has the app advantage too over android. Android is more functional than iOS and way cheap than iOS. Windows phone OS is just ugly, no apps and less functional.
2. WillieFDiaz (Posts: 114; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I think with Bill Gates comments on siding with the FBI, users recognize that Windows is likely an unsecure device, and the company Bill formerly ran, the one he created, will give information over to the government - that alone right there says to me to stop using his operating system on devices, including my Windows 10 laptop which I am in the process of swapping to a Mac.
7. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 1597; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)
Bill Gates did NOT side with the FBI. It was a sensationalized headline that was inaccurate. He stated that in this particular case, it was okay for the government to hack the phone.
60. joey_sfb (Posts: 5345; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
It's already spell out in Win10 software licensing agreement. User of Win10 has to consent to they capturing your data, backing up your local documents to their server.
And if they deem necessary they will hand it over to the authority without the need to inform you.
87. elitewolverine (Posts: 5085; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Same as Google...next? Also MS is already in fights with the Gov over non US based servers, and them wanting access which they have denied.
108. joey_sfb (Posts: 5345; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Google don't make backup copy of my local files. This is unprecedented only happens in Windows 10.
I am surprised a lot of people are ok with that.
110. elitewolverine (Posts: 5085; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
They are not backing up any local documents unless you tell it too. Where it will treat photos, documents etc, that are normally system level into onedrive. So that when you save to the default pictures you are actually saving to onedrive/pictures. This is not automatic, this is accepted by the user. You can still save locally without win10 backing them up.
It is the same thing as person saying yes to google when you start up the device and say yes to backup.
And yes time and time again I have shown how Google is the exact same as MS and even worse in their cloud storage and user collection than MS. But you keep flying blind.
111. joey_sfb (Posts: 5345; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Google is providing a free service while Microsoft I am willing to buy a copy of Windows 10 pro.
How can they be comparable? Microsoft need to come out to shoot down all this negative press that is surrounding their privacy invasion.
114. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
I've always, and even in the Beta of 10, have always disabled one drive and any data collection services besides usage data which what they collect with that allowance being primary things such as data for system crashes (which after the beta have to be deliberately sent in), application crashes (which you have to accept every time it happens and almost have to demand get sent in), Then they collect information for things like the xbox live stuff which....dur, it's part of their services and your login information, virtually nothing is collected unless you accept it to be so, or are to stupid to actually read through the settings and turn nothing off during the system first time setup process, and even then is easily turned off later from the system settings section. Google is next to no different aside from their ad collection, which you can't really opt out of and have to go out of your way to block, not that it's really vital that they don't get this anyway as it doesn't really affect much.
3. another1 (Posts: 157; Member since: 25 Dec 2015)
Phonearena, although I completely agree, this article is absolutely awful.
It's written poorly throughout. Almost reminds me of a techie rant.
4. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 1597; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)
I had to stop reading when the author claimed that the PC world no longer mattered. Sure Skippy, keep living in Fantasyland.
8. IAMBLCKJ3ZUS (Posts: 218; Member since: 29 Sep 2015)
He doesn't realize that the 11,220,243 people on Steam most likely are playing from a PC. Thing is that just the gaming side.
41. adecvat (Posts: 246; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
11 million people on steam? Check this:
Fallout Shelter generated 4 billion sessions; 82 million vaults created, most played Fallout game of all Fallout games combined
56. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1111; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Well, I think what Michael should've noted is that there is a steady, but very real, rise in the number of Linux users in the desktop realm. In fact, if you look at the current makeup of PC operating systems, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 only make up about 20% of the total number of PCs.
Now, you might be saying "So what? Windows 10 is pretty new and the user base is not there yet." But, the overwhelming majority of Microsoft OS users are stuck on Windows 7 (at 40%). This wouldn't be alarming if it wasn't for the fact that Microsoft has offered free upgrades to prior Microsoft OS users. I think this says a lot about the fact that Microsoft users do not like the direction they have taken after Windows 7. It's going to be interesting to see where that 40% of Windows 7 users will go once the operating system is no longer receiving support or updates.
Factor in the arrival of Steam OS which may gain a lot of interest for those that primarily use their desktops for gaming on Steam and you are looking at a complete disruption of the marketplace that Microsoft has dominated.
75. hemedans (Posts: 460; Member since: 01 Jun 2013)
1/3 of steam gamers use windows 10 thats good news, more people love windows 10 and they use it.
most business user still use old version of windows but they did agree to migrate to 10. so after 2 years windows 10 will have large marketshare than previous version of windows.
115. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
I think you may want to back track on that Steam OS statement "phil", if you've ever tried it, it's really, REALLY bad and you're honestly better off going with a regular Linux Distro as Steam OS has ALOT of problems, but that's not to say these might not be fixed later, but I have my doubts.
14. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2059; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)
I have a gaming pc, using it right now lol. Smartphones will never be as powerful so PCs will always have a place.
21. Bernoulli (Posts: 3741; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Michael Heller is known to be biased against windows phone, he never fails to disappoint me.
47. nasznjoka (Posts: 394; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
C'mon men! Even the windows fanboys site like PW and WC post alot of articles like this, even worse than this. You have not seen an article saying "Windows Phone is Dead" here have you? Now visit WC
48. Bernoulli (Posts: 3741; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
I visit them daily and I have yet to see an article there which basically says windows phone is dead. The way they write is extremely optimistic and not at all like Michael Heller, who looks like has given in to the trolling crowd of windows phone.
55. nasznjoka (Posts: 394; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
windows-phone-dead-whats-next-000112238.htmlthis is biased
29/windows-phone-is-an-ex-platform/this as well
So why attack MH?
65. meanestgenius (Posts: 9751; Member since: 28 May 2014)
None of those are not Windows Phone "fanboy sites".
79. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)
Because jealous fanbois can't see reality of Wp and WM are declining and public are not interested.
98. Bernoulli (Posts: 3741; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
None of them are the tech sites you brought up, what's your point in bringing random links?
70. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)
But you said you didn't know Michael H? Whose Michael H?
36. TerryTerius (Posts: 1542; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
PC sales are declining, and laptops have been flat. Almost all of the energy has been in mobile devices. Seeing things where they stand and where the trend lines are heading are two different things. PCs are by no means irrelevant, but take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
61. MrElectrifyer (limited) (Posts: 2192; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
So are Tablet sales declining, they've reached the same situation as the Desktop/Laptop PC market...so does that mean they don't matter either?
Simply put, that was an ignoramus and naive statement from Michael.
63. TerryTerius (Posts: 1542; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
I don't know about naïve. Because honestly, I'm not convinced desktops and laptops are going to be around in the future. But I don't think they are currently irrelevant either, and that a substantial change won't happen anytime soon.
82. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)
The kids of today (who will replace our dead asses tomorrow), will make sure desktops and laptops as we know it dissolve into irrelevance. Our generation still love it yes, but that is what we are familiar with. We weren't born with touch screen tablets in our hands, no we were born with DOS. And that is why it will become irrelevant as time goes on, but to imply it has already reached that stage is just a tad bit premature.
101. MrElectrifyer (limited) (Posts: 2192; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
Desktops, Laptops, Tablets and SmartPhones are just form-factors of a PC (personal computer). The only way one or the other are going away is once 1 device is able to transform into them on demand. Otherwise, their mono versions would be here to stay forever.
That's what devices like the Surface Pro are doing (but with a Thunderbolt port); a Tablet (on their own), Laptop (with their Type Cover), and Desktop (with their Thunderbolt Docking Station with Desktop Graphics).
112. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)
Right, right, the same way oil cars will be around forever right? Or maybe the same way that Horse and carriage was around forever right? s**t evolves, and that entails change. One cannot judge the rate of future expansion based on past achievements and technologies. And if you choose to be in denial and believe that ANYTHING at all will stick around forever, that's your problem dude. Good luck.
122. MrElectrifyer (limited) (Posts: 2192; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
"Right, right, the same way oil cars will be around forever right? Or maybe the same way that Horse and carriage was around forever right?"
Those are such retarded and inapt analogies...try harder.
Since you're clearly too daft to realize it, the purpose of ALL those your analogies were replaced with something that 100% achieved what they were built for (transportation), without compromising on anything. That is, their replacement was all-around an enhancement.
Bastardized ARM tablets like the toyPad definitely don't fit that category when it comes to replacing Desktop PCs. Steve Jobs and iSheeps have had that same dream since 2010, yet 96% of people that own an iPad still carry around a Laptop PC (bit.ly/14UvTA6)...but keep iDreaming if you think they'll ever make the Desktop extinct without accomplishing what the Desktop does.
123. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)
Wrap your head around this fcuk face, who calls people daft simply because you have a different viewpoint: We base our ideas of the world on our personal experience, and that experience has ingrained the rate of growth of the recent past in our heads as "the way things happen". We're also limited by our imagination, which takes our experience and uses it to conjure future predictions - but often, what we know simply doesn't give us the tools to accurately predict the future, what is certain however that the rate of change is faster with each passing day. You can either live in denial as you are and wait to be proven wrong or you can accept it, not be a naive a hole, and expand your mind. Your choice, either way I couldnt give a s**t.
124. MrElectrifyer (limited) (Posts: 2192; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
Look at the hypocrite preach, disproves name calling 'cause of having different point of view, yet the retarded numbskull keeps saying I'm in denial 'cause I have a differing point of view...so daft, doesn't even realize when it's contradicting itself.
Regardless, you can keep dreaming of that iFuture of yours, I can guarantee you, in the real world, Desktops wouldn't be replaced by toys like the ipad. Maybe there'll be a more advanced iPad, worthy of the Pro name like the Surface Pro, then that'll be what replaces Desktops.
125. HonestRealist (Posts: 196; Member since: 25 Jan 2016)
I called you a fcuk face because you called me daft, not because you have a different viewpoint, tit for tat in other words, how you fit hypocrisy into that rather simple equation... is daft. So you're choosing the naive route I take it? Oh well all the best fcuk face, like I said I couldnt give a s**t.
86. 47AlphaTango (Posts: 273; Member since: 27 Sep 2015)
Are you sure that they have the same sales declining impact? I know android tablets and microsoft tablet sales are declining. Since majority of users would go on the ipad. Whether it is called a toypad or not.
102. MrElectrifyer (limited) (Posts: 2192; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
Remain in denial all you want, but it's toyPad sales that are declining overall:
68. hemedans (Posts: 460; Member since: 01 Jun 2013)
-according to netmarketshare windows 10 has 11.8% of marketshare.
-microsoft anounced win 10 has 200m installation
so lets do simple calculation
if 200m = 11.8%
just imagine someone said 1.7 billion pc dont matter, lol
6. IAMBLCKJ3ZUS (Posts: 218; Member since: 29 Sep 2015)
I really don't understand how a person that doesn't use the phone on a daily basis can say something doesn't matter. Iphone users could easily say Android doesn't matter or because they don't use one. Although google dominates mobile problem still is only 2 offer a solution for a complete package Apple and Microsoft. It seems more like you really do like Windows Phone and just mad at the lack of support, but want click bait.. It works though proud owner of Lumia 950xl