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Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 clock speeds revealed: up to 2GHz for A57 cores, up to 1.6Ghz for A53 cores

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Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 clock speeds revealed: up to 2GHz for A57 cores, up to 1.6Ghz for A53 cores
The Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 is expected to be the brain that powers practically all of the best Android smartphones of 2015, and now the first details about the clock speed of the octa-core chip have surfaced.

The Snapdragon 810 will come with four Cortex A57 high-performance cores and four power-efficient Cortex A53 cores. The performance-driven A57 cores will run at a clock speed of up to 1958MHz (1.96GHz), while the A53 power-savvy cores will be clocked at up to 1555MHz (1.56GHz).

Interestingly, those are clock speeds that are actually lower than the running speeds of current generation Snapdragon 805 Krait 450 cores that are tuned at up to 2.65GHz. However, we should note that while the 805 is a quad-core chip, the 810 is an octa-core one.

The cores themselves are no longer the custom Krait cores that Qualcomm used to develop, but rather the company has used ARM’s processor license, featuring the A57 and A53 cores.

Snapdragon 810 is an octa-core chip

The major difference between the upcoming Snapdragon 810 and the Snapdragon 805 is, of course, the fact that the 810 is a 64-bit chip, built on the new ARMv8-A instruction set, while the 805 is a 32-bit SoC, using the ARMv7-A ISA.

The 810 is also built on the more efficient, 20nm process,while the 805 is manufactured on 28nm lithography.


source: Andrei Frumusanu

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posted on 04 Dec 2014, 02:54 11

1. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


I remember Qualcomm calling 64-bit, Octa cores and big.LITTLE useless
Now they are releasing exactly that lol

I'm pretty disappointed they didn't release the 810/808 this year
They are quite far behind Apple and Nvidia who already have their own custom ARMv8 cores
They should have designed some ARMv8 Krait custom cores

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:17 2

6. thienson (Posts: 8; Member since: 09 Oct 2012)


I'm guessing they release these to buy time while still designing ARMv8 Krait cores...maybe couple more years...

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:27 4

9. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


even mediatek is closing on them now

snapdragon 210/410 gets beaten by mt6732
snapdragon 610/615 gets beaten by mt6752

snapdragon 805 gets beaten by mt6595

MT6795 will probably beat snapdragon 810

though in high end chips their gpu's are weak

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:00

27. cezarepc (Posts: 714; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


Yeah mediatek is killing it everywhere except from the GPU front. If they somehow manage to fix that they may actually start chipping away at qualcomms pie on the high end segment.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:57

33. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1371; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)


Ye all that is nice but mediatek is known for not realising drivers for new android version, thats why you see most of of chinese phones with mediatek stuck on 4.2, 4.3 etc

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 07:12 1

37. sgodsell (Posts: 3224; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Interesting that this source said that the Snapdragon 810 is running at 2 GHz, whereas Qualcomm's site states that the 810 can run at 2.8 GHz.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:18

7. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


They are designing their custom 64bit cores, but those chips will be out by the end of 2015, or maybe early 2016.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:24

8. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


custom cores from qualcomm will arrive at mwc 2016

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 07:05

36. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Didn't they fire the guy who said 64 bit was useless? Also, they never said octa cores were useless, they said Cortex A7 based octa cores were useless because even though they had high multi-threaded capability, their single-threaded performance was terrible compared to a high end quad core. However, this implementation of an octa core has both high single thread and high multi thread performance.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 07:36

38. renz4 (Posts: 317; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)


i think that guy still with qualcomm. they just reassign him to another part of the company. as for the octa core qualcomm admit that they bow to market demand. that's why they make it. personally i still don't understand why you need so many low power core in big.LITTLE implementation. since the low power core will only handle light task is there really need many of them?

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 09:34

40. ThirdEye (Posts: 31; Member since: 31 Oct 2012)


That guy was Anand Chandrasekhar, formerly the head of Intel's mobile division which unsuccessfully tried to unseat Qualcomm from its perch.

With respect to why so many low power cores are needed, I think by design there should be the same number of low power cores as there are high power cores. Even if the OS+ Governer is capable of distributing the tasks to all cores at a time, there needs to be a basic symmetry, I suppose.

The only attempt of a Asymmetric low power core was done by NVIDIA with Tegra 3 and for practical reasons, done away with Tegra 4 as well as Denver.

Personally, I would like to see some diversity like 2A57+2A53 and compare it against 4*A57 or 4*A53 to see how thinks stack up. But none of the SOC manufacturers are willing to produce products of that kind....

posted on 05 Dec 2014, 04:44 1

46. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


No, the CA53 is a dual issuing, in-order one, comparable to the CA8.
Apple's A7 easily smokes it with 6-issuing, out-of-order design.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:01 5

2. brrunopt (Posts: 742; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Suport up to 55MP
Lumia 1030 - 50MP

Lumia 1030 most likely with a 810.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:31 3

10. fouadqr (Posts: 326; Member since: 21 Nov 2012)


Nope , MS will disappoint everyone by release it with SD400 -.-

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:41 3

12. deanylev (Posts: 204; Member since: 11 Mar 2014)


No not necessarily. The Lumia 1020 had a 41MP camera on an SoC that only supported up to 16MP sensors. Dedicated ISP.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:00 1

28. cezarepc (Posts: 714; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


exactly.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:06 4

3. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)


This in the Z4 and we'll be happy.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:08 1

4. mayur007 (Posts: 563; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


2015 ces will be exciting......!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:14 1

5. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


When SD 810 got announced I thought "Oh wow, Qualcomm is in big trouble now. They are behind with their own 64bit cores and now have to use stock ARM. And why would vendors pay extra for that when everyone can and is just slapping A57+A53 together. Mediatek, Rockchip, Samsung, Huawei, Allwinner - all of them will be building such 20nm chips"

But here we are a year later and everyone is again using this Snapdragon.
I guess no one can match the overall package Qualcomm is bringing.

This will probably be fully 64bit enabled(the Exynos 5433 isn't) , with the most advanced connectivity package, will have almost double the bandwidth, and GPU performance (compared to Exynos 5433 which uses the same CPU setup) .
Also the CPU performance will be greater, not by much but I expect over 1300 /4300 in Geekbench.

Good job Qualcomm

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:34 3

11. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


in low end , OEM are switching to mediatek.. .. sony,htc,google ,asus all using mediatek now

in high end mediatek didn't have any high end chip and tegra k1 was not meant for phones so you see OEM didn't have choice .. it will take time for other companies to make a mark in high end but it will start this year don't worry, especially now when mediatek is producing high end chips and probably tegra k2 will be ready for phones this time

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:45

15. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


That's not what I am seeing.
The Snapdragon 410 is powering the majority of new lower midrange phones, while the 810 is picking up all big contracts (S6, Z4, One M9, G4, Xiaomi Mi5)
And by the time Tegra M1 comes out, it won't have any big contracts left, even if it can run in phones.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 04:36

22. Cicero (Posts: 854; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)


Because of performance/price ratio?

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 05:03 3

25. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


snapdragon 410 has been out for 3 months now .. while mediatek new chips are coming out from this month.

the most recent example is htc with old chips.. they are launching 2 models of same phones .. 1 has snapdragon , the other has mediatek
for eg - desire 620 and 620g
desire 820 and 816, desire 616

asus is ditching intel in favor of mediatek

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Trip-to-GFX-Benchmark-site-reveals-switch-to-MediaTeks-64-bit-LTE-SoC-for-next-Asus-ZenFone_id63433

sony is working on 5 phones that will use mediatek and they will launch in mwc

http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/07/04/sony-to-use-mediatek-mt6732-chipset-in-4-to-5-models-next-year/

and as you already know android one is mediatek itself

thing is the new chips from mediatek are awesome but are 3 months behind the schedule from snapdragon 410 ..

even now there aren't many Chinese phones that have 6732 chip yet.. so you will see many launches at CES and MWC with mediatek chip

yeah true but 810 is already out to OEMs.. so 810 is meant for launches at mwc .. so right now OEM didn't have choice in high end... so s6,z4.m9 will have 810...

what i was talking about was the launch time at september ( note5,g4,z5)

its at that time you will see more of mediatek and tegra in high end..

mediatek high end chip with cortex A57 ( mt 6795) isn't ready yet and neither is tegra m1

in low and mid end, qualcomm is already having a hard time now .. in high end things will change by the end of 2015 ..

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:40

29. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


Good info, thanks

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:58

34. pmugghc (Posts: 39; Member since: 11 May 2014)


Thanks, that's interesting. Do you have any info on the expected performance of Mediatek vs 810?

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 07:42

39. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


your welcome

810 competitor will be Mt6795

which will be quad Core cortex A57 + quad core Cortex A53

the performance will be similar to snapdragon 810 ..

but snapdragon 810 will be in phones costing 700 $
whereas Mt6795 will be in phones costing 300 $ only

take a look at lenovo vibe X2 benchmarks ( google it )

it only costs 320$ and equals snapdragon 805..

you will see the similar thing between Mt6795 vs 810

Cpu wise they will be equal as both of them are using same stock ARM cores..

in GPU there will be a difference of about 60 % .. adreno 430 will be 50-60% more powerful than mediatek chip

but that is just theoretical advantage
because almost all of those 700$ phones will have 2k displays
and 300$ mediatek phones will have 1080p displays

so all that extra power will be wasted in powering 2k displays .. and they will end up performing almost equal in real life..

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:43 3

13. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Exynos 5433 is fully 64-bit capable. it just needs a 64-bit kernel.

Wait for the lollipop and note 4 exynos will go 64-bit. It's bootloader already has 64-bit code.

Exynos 5433 at 32-bit already goes 1300/4300 in geekbench so this chip with LPDDR4 RAM and 64-bit will easily reach 1600/5000.

The catch here is that 5433 was a s805 competitor and by the time qualcomm launches 810, Samsung will launch 7420 with the same or better features as s810. Also it will have the traditional wolfson DAC.

Samsung has a huge chance in GPU too. 5433 uses hexa core mali T760 which matches adreno 420. 430 is 33% faster than 420 so samsung can either move to MP8 to match adreno 430 or move to MP10 or MP16 to trash it into the ground.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:56

16. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


Samsung can't just "move to MP8" because that will use more power.
The 20nm Mali T760 has actually proven to be slightly inferior to the 28nm Adreno 420. So, 20nm Adreno 430 cannot be matched by what Mali currently has to offer, on the same node.
And the bandwidth of Exynos is just 11GB/s compared to over 25GB/s in the SD810, which makes me doubtful that Samsung can outdo the 810 with their 7420.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 04:55 2

23. Freecableguy (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Jul 2014)


Mali T760MP6 matches Adreno 420 in most benchmarks (minor difference -5 / +5% - check link below). Also there have been reports from people who have used both models that Exynos delivers a more fluid experience in actual games. Not to mention the fact that Note 4 28nm S805 throttles like crazy after the 1st benchmark run (and gets hotter) while 20nm Exynos fairs a lot better in longer gaming/bench sessions - S805 scores goes down to a ridiculous 12 FPS @ GFXBench T-Rex (Exynos maintains ~21 FPS, check C4ETech YouTube comparison). They could easily fit a lower-clocked T760/T860MP10 in a more mature 20nm planar process or even 14nm FF to match or beat Adreno 430.

forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36944492&postc​ount=89

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:45

31. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


I see, thanks for the info

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 04:56

24. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


But the next Exynos will be built with their 14 nm process, which is more efficient than their current 20 nm process
Also will most likely have the T860 MP6 or T860 MP8, the T860 will also be more efficient than the T760
They could also increase the bandwidth in their next Exynos as well
And Samsung are supposedly designing custom ARMv8 cores for their next Exynos
I'd be surprised if the next Exynos (or the Apple A9/A9X or Nvidia M1) didn't outperform the 810

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:43

30. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


But isn't the next Exynos for the Galaxy S6 supposed to be built on the 20nm as well?

If it's 14nm then I agree SD 810 should be outmatched easily

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 04:34

21. Cicero (Posts: 854; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)


All your reference (expectations about SD810) is about Exynos 5433. Stay tune to be disappointed. Later QC was lost the shine in faster approach of new tech.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 10:37 1

41. ThirdEye (Posts: 31; Member since: 31 Oct 2012)


Qualcomm's strength has always been baseband and radios. They have 3 categories of products for the mobile market

APQ - Application Processor Qualcomm
This is basically the SOC alone in a single chip sans modem
MDM - Multistation moDeM - This is the baseband radio as a single chip. (Gobi series)
MSM - Multi Station Modem - This is a SOC with built in baseband. Most Popular one.

In the last 4+ years, only during a few window periods they were unable to produce a MSM at the same time as AQP with the same CPU core. First time was during the Galaxy Note II time frame. At that time Note II as well as HTC One+ was released in the US with Exynos and Tegra3 respectively.

The second time was when S4 Pro was released. By this time their Krait cores were better in performance/power that even Samsung did not bother to release a new Exynos + MDM phone.

Slowly competition is catching up in the LTE space. Both MediaTek and Huawei have home grown LTE baseband. Their beginning products were not integrated to the main SOC like MSM. Instead they are the traditional APQ+MDM combination

Huawei- Kirin SOC + Balong MDM (Cat6 LTE)
Mediatek - 6592 SOC + 6290 MDM

Recently Mediatek announced their first MSM equivalents with both LTE the latest ones with CDMA modem capbability too integrated into 1 SOC chip. But their LTE is still Cat4. Qualcomm is Cat 6 with 805 and above.

MT6595 - 4xA17 + 4xA7 + LTE
MT6752 - 4xA53 + LTE

MT6735 - 4xA53 + LTE + CDMA
MT6795 - 4xA57 + 4xA53 + LTE + CDMA

So Huawei has parity with QCOM on the modem side (but still only as a separate chip). Mediatek has closed the gap with QCOM on integration but only at the Cat4 level. The processor would be close in performance as both are ARM designed ones not custom ones like Krait.

Mediatek should seriously work overtime get their chips certified by US carriers. They now even have CDMA EvDO compatibility and hence can be a choice for both Verizon and Sprint.

That will be the first meaningful competition QCOM will have in the US market and we consumers will win. I am salivating for the following

SD410 vs, MT6735 - 4A53 + Cat4 LTE (Evenly matched except for Gfx chips)
SD810 vs. MT6795 - 4A57 + 4A53 (Cat6 vs Cat4 LTE, Mali vs. Adreno)

If it did that then Mediatek would have done what many bigger companies failed to do like TI, INTC and NVIDIA in dislodging QCOM from its lofty perch.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 11:00

42. nokia12 (Posts: 464; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


great info :)

between sd 410 and 6735 , already 6732/35 are winners ...

mali t760/720 mp2 is 2x stronger than adreno 306

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:44 2

14. deanylev (Posts: 204; Member since: 11 Mar 2014)


Kind of disappointing. This thing would've destroyed at 2.5GHz on the A57s and 2GHz on the A53s.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:57 4

18. yUlek (Posts: 43; Member since: 14 May 2014)


Yeah, I like 1 hour battery life and burnt hands too!

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 06:53

32. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3713; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)


You are a noob. If you really think that simply upping the clock speeds on these processors will tune up the performance, just stop pretending to tech right now.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 03:57 1

17. yUlek (Posts: 43; Member since: 14 May 2014)


Would be good if I finally could play games laglessly, Exynos > Snapdragon.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 04:02

19. vuyonc (Posts: 987; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


No word on exact power efficiency improvements :\

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 04:27

20. .KRATOS. (Posts: 307; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


I guess the 2015 will be revolutionary for android, i jst skipped all the high end phones of this year thought there are very good phones out there to see the new generation with the 64bit

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 05:32 2

26. mostafawael.1998 (Posts: 240; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


well i still like snapdragon, as it is not closed source like exynos. I may sound a bit old, but the exynos equipped S3 has too many troubles in the AOSP world. Untill now they are trying to fix the hardware composer, for instance, i was using a cutting-edge AOSP ROM called 'ArchiDroid' by JustArchi. This great guy is working on this ROM for the S3 for more than a year and he had bought a low end Xperia M and said that "ArchiDroid on the Xperia M after a week is better than on the S3 after more than a year!"
And i think this S810 may be a good deal, but i am not sure if it is better than exynos or not (i am not that good in the processor stuffs and i don't know that much :o )
and what we can not get with the frequency of the S810, we can easily root the device and get a higher frequency

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 07:02

35. Predator1701 (Posts: 108; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)


Not everything is about clock speeds, I mean I hope Qualcomm will get some more competition because it's not looking to good.The more players in the game the more benefits for us, consumers.My only concern is will app developers use 64-bit properly.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 14:36

43. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Exynos new 64bit and Snapdragon 810 arent even as advanced as the Cyclone cores in the A7.

And thats almost a year-and-a-half old.

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 15:44

44. justsayit (Posts: 256; Member since: 09 May 2013)


finally ddr4 ram!armv8!
and i remember i have read an article before,a57's maximum clockspeed is up to 3ghz!

posted on 04 Dec 2014, 18:02

45. fzacek (Posts: 2486; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)


big.LITTLE is such a disappointment... How hard can it be to make a PROPER octa-core chip?...

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