Motorola Shamu aka Nexus 6 gets benchmarked, indicating a 1080p display and Snapdragon 801
1. PressStart (Posts: 119; Member since: 08 Apr 2014)
Looks like I'll be sticking to android for now and I'll definitely be upgrading my Nexus 5 if the price is right. Hope TMo offers this device.
6. CyberFalcon (Posts: 177; Member since: 17 Apr 2014)
i think i ll wait for next year's nexus coz it ll have a 64 bit processor...
13. BLUEBLASTER (Posts: 140; Member since: 23 Feb 2014)
Nope it wont. This one should have had the latest 805 processor. So next years model will have an 805 note 64 bit.
55. Suo.Eno (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)
"So next years model will have an 805 note 64 bit."
If they really do that next year, then it's auto DOA on just leaks let alone when official bro.
64. sgodsell (Posts: 2080; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
The 805 is not 64 bit. The thing is I heard rumors before stating that the nexus 6 will be a 64bit CPU. I also heard rumors that it could be mediatek processor. Not to mention Google has team up with them to make a sub $100 smartphone offering.
15. Finalflash (Posts: 2095; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Won't really make much of a difference since you have to remember, most of the 64 bit nonsense that went around was just Apple marketing points. 64 bit, even with the ARM v8 will make an almost negligible difference as it did for the iPhone. Android will benefit from it more because of 3+ GB of RAM but even that will be kind of useless for a while since most app developers have to keep RAM usage low to cater to the low end as well as top end.
24. jove39 (Posts: 1442; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Instead, oem should concentrate on improving battery tech.
53. Suo.Eno (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)
Have to respectfully disagree here. People ragged on Apple solely due to the fact on their insistence to blow up their Apple A7/Cyclone SoC's 64 bitvaganza debuted to drive apps on a sub 720p 4" screened device + sub optimal RAM count (Anandtech said this not me) AND of course that pitiful batt capacity, not because it's "completely useless". Different thing...
You gotta start somewhere when the envelope gets pushed and even ARM as opposed to x86-64 computing has to move forward, so should we no?
26. Dr.Phil (Posts: 981; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Well how can you tell if this one does or does not have a 64 bit processor? It doesn't mention at all what the processor is. It just lists that the GPU under this certain benchmark returns this certain result.
Now, everyone, tell me how many times have you seen a benchmark for even a new CPU/GPU return average results? Answer: It happens quite often. This could be an early build of Android that it's running or the CPU/GPU may not be optimized yet. So, while I'm not saying it may not be the 801 chipset, I would hold off until there is more definitive proof one way or the other.
41. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
GFXBench says it has a 1440p screen, yet it has similar performance to 1080p screens. If Google stuck with Snapdragon, it has to be the 810, it fits perfectly. 1440p has 77% more pixels than 1080p, and the Adreno 430 has about 80% better performance than the Adreno 330 according to Qualcomm.
50. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
50gigaflops extra than A330 which has 120gf.
71. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I thought the Adreno 330 was rated at 166 GFLOPS? And even if it was 120, that doesn't mean the Adreno 430 would be 170, it would be 216. But since the Adreno 330 has 166 GFLOPS, it's actually closer to 300
61. sgodsell (Posts: 2080; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
The 810 won't be available till next year. However the 410 and 610 will be available very soon. Also there is mediatek 8 core 64bit CPU available right now. Not to mention a tegra K1 64 bit available as well.
70. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Snapdragon 410 and 610 both have weaker GPUs than the 801. Same with the 64 bit Mediatek SoCs, and the Tegra K1 actually has a much better GPU, so if this Motorola device had the Tegra K1, it would get a significantly higher score than Snapdragon 801 devices, even with a 1440p display. It has to be the Snapdragon 810. It just fits so perfectly in line with what these results are showing.
It wouldn't be the first time a device got a new SoC a few months before the official Qualcomm release date. The 2013 HTC One had the Snapdragon 600 in February, but Qualcomm said S600 devices weren't supposed to be announced until Q2, at least 2 months later. And with Google pushing 64 bit in Android L and their recent track record of using Qualcomm SoCs, I wouldn't doubt it if Google got Qualcomm to give them the 810 a little early.
72. AciMars (Posts: 20; Member since: 04 Jul 2013)
no 810 until 2015 dude. if nexus release in the end of the year it must be 805 or another soc.
1440 vs 1080 = 78% more pixel doesnt mean it must be 78% more powerful GPU to be on par performance.
Adreno 420 on 805 which is 40% more power compare to adreno 330 (450Mhz) on Snapdragon 800 already enough to be on par with (1080p/330) performance.
74. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yes it does. Resolution is directly related to performance.
Galaxy S5 (1080p, S801 AC version) - 11.6 fps in Manhattan on screen.
Oppo Find 7 (1440p, S801 AC version) - 6.7 fps in Manhattan on screen.
Same hardware, but the Find 7 has a 1440p screen.
6.7 x 1.77 = 11.85.
Small variance, but that's expected. So, a GPU with about 80% better performance than the Adreno 330 would make up for that. The Adreno 430 is the only GPU that fits.
65. engineer-1701d (Posts: 2177; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
I want it but if it's 6 inch screen no hell no 5.1
68. BReND0 (Posts: 73; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
This is an off topic reply to your statement. Just wanted to express my point in this lack luster arguement of processor... But ONE, why have a company you sold off make a nexus device for you? TWO, being that moto is known for sub par camera's. Why have them make it and THREE i think this is not a nexus device
3. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Same old Snapdragon S800 series
Google use and try something better and different... Tegrak1 or the Exynos5433. Pure A15 clusters, not halfbaked Snapdragon.
4. Zomer (Posts: 120; Member since: 31 May 2013)
It probably has something to do with the integrated 4G/LTE modem of those Snapdragon processors and the price of chips.
8. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1058; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I'm seriously pissed off at the lack of choice cause by Qualcomm's monopoly. We are getting recycled SoCs instead of powerful jumps in processing power. Why did Nvidia have to stop focusing on smartphones... I still remember Qualcomm's words a year ago when they released the S600.
"but we believe our Snapdragon 600 outperforms Nvidia’s Tegra 4. And we believe our Snapdragon 800 completely outstrips it and puts a new benchmark in place.
So, we clean Tegra 4′s clock. There’s nothing in Tegra 4 that we looked at and that looks interesting. Tegra 4 frankly, looks a lot like what we already have in S4 Pro..."
That guy was so wrong, Tegra 4 whipped the floor with S600 and was neck and neck with S800 despite being a S600 competitor. I won't even talk about K1 as that slaughters anything that Qualcomm has to offer. And this is coming from a Snapdragon 801 device owner.
18. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Tegra4 at 1.8ghz is on par with S801 at 2.3ghz. So even the Tegra4 at 2.3ghz will whip the S805 at 2.7ghz.
37. uzimafioso (Posts: 131; Member since: 15 Jul 2014)
Tegra eats up more battery and Qualcomm is the SoC of choice for most manufacturers cause they have built in wifi glonass modem etc. chips
51. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
S800 is based on Arm Cortex A9, that's why, not A15 clusters.
54. Suo.Eno (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)
The day you ask for Samsung to coop to Google's full AOSP/GPL compliance, is the same day years ago when all of xda devs hollered loudly for them to do just that back with Exynos4
aka NOT GONNA HAPPEN buddy and trust me when I say that even El Goog's not even considering this option.
5. yowanvista (Posts: 338; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
That doesn't seem legit considering that the S801's gpu won't support some of Android L's improvements to the graphical subsystem such as AEP or ES3.1. What would even be point of releasing a Nexus phone with dated hardware that can't showcase the Android L's new features?
7. take1sub (Posts: 15; Member since: 24 Jan 2014)
You missed that this device is QHD
So, it's at least SD805 or Tegra K1
9. Heatfan316 (Posts: 497; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
Aka Nexus 6! Please! I would be mad as f**** if this was the Nexus 6. Whoever makes the Nexus 6 please have snapdragon 810 in it or a k1!
10. pmugghc (Posts: 21; Member since: 11 May 2014)
Could it perhaps use the Qualcomm 410 so it's at least 64- bit? Don't know if the 410's performance would be similar to 800? Otherwise what's the point with it?
27. Iodine (Posts: 831; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Snapdragon 410 is a rushed out 64-bit chip, because it was rushed out can't use highend 64-bit cortex A57 core, just low end A53 which is not that much faster than cortex A7, which is slow as hell. Low mid end/low end level of performance.
11. Scott93274 (Posts: 2073; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
Hmm... I was somewhat expecting a chip that would support a 64 bit OS. Though with project Volta, the larger form factor of this phone, and the simple fact that they have Motorola working on the Nexus 6, I'm willing to bet this phone will have monster battery life lasting maybe 3+ days of use on a single charge... just suspicions on my part is all.
12. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Good grief, HTC don't screw this up if you are OEM!
20. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
My bad, I typed HTC while meaning Moto.
28. nathan.carter (Posts: 414; Member since: 11 Aug 2014)
lol you meant moto. but HTC will be the first nexus with android L, since it was the first android period.
69. JC557 (Posts: 1228; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
Well, HTC is making the Nexus tablet with an nVidia Tegra K1. They both better not screw it up lol.
14. nathan.carter (Posts: 414; Member since: 11 Aug 2014)
Now I know the motorola is the focus of this article, but EVERYONE LOOK AT THE HTC M8, I think motorola is just a big distraction from the real nexus device. google only uses the best. and I foresee HTC as the maker of the HTC L? HTC G ONE? Nexus ONE... google is good but a real google fan would see the light.
17. DefinitiveKid (Posts: 164; Member since: 15 May 2013)
Please no giant screen, I find it ridiculous how screens get bigger and bigger. It's come to the point where 5 inches screens will soon be considered small...
21. syncronyze (Posts: 103; Member since: 26 Apr 2014)
Apparently it's going to have either a 5.9 inch or a 5.2 screen. :/ I hope it's just a fake rumor. I'd much rather have 4.7"
36. DefinitiveKid (Posts: 164; Member since: 15 May 2013)
Yep 5.9 is definitely too much. I agree 4.7 is kind of a sweetspot for me.
19. Commentator (Posts: 2792; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Well, looks like I'll be sticking with my Nexus 5 then...
30. Commentator (Posts: 2792; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Although I do find it hard to believe that Google would release a Nexus device with a 32 bit processor when Android L is supposed to mark the "64 bit revolution"...
39. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
There's no information on the processor yet. People just assume it's a S801 because it has similar scores to other S801 devices, but in the results on GFXBench it shows the device having a 1440p screen, so that must mean it has a GPU about 80% more powerful than the Adreno 330 in order to have similar results to a 1080p screen. Assuming they're sticking with Snapdragon, this must have a Snapdragon 810, because the Adreno 430 is almost exactly 80% faster than the Adreno 330.
pThe alleged Nexus 6 is on page 2 near the bottom.
57. Suo.Eno (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)
Yup... especially efforts are already being made at this >>>
~ so it doesn't compute to have to wait for a 2015 Nexus to really make that worthwhile...
22. newbey123 (Posts: 518; Member since: 19 Mar 2012)
Can't wait for the Nexus 8 tablet, been waiting for google to team back up with HTC to get a good quality tablet. Hope it releases soon.
23. .KRATOS. (Posts: 164; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
Hope it will have the new snapdragon 805, n the camera would be better, plus water resistant, that would be perfect.
25. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
I just got the Oneplus One, and am going to get the iPhone 6....but I'm totally getting this or the x+1 too. Go Moto Go!!
31. Scott93274 (Posts: 2073; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
What the crap? How many phones do you need?
42. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
Well, my 1+1 is for business. So they paid for it. iPhone 6 will be my personal phone and will be bought on contract, and hopefully the Nexus 6 will be similar to the Nexus 5 so that I can switch between using it as my work phone or personal phone. We'll see, but it really isn't all that much money for the phones I listed since one is on contract, the other was paid for by my company, and the last is only 350 anyhow.
Ultimately it depends how good the nexus 6 or x+1 are for their price and if they meet what I want.
29. nathan.carter (Posts: 414; Member since: 11 Aug 2014)
Good job google on confusing everyone. at least i know HTC will be the next nexus device. HTC the originator
43. DocOc (Posts: 138; Member since: 23 Apr 2014)
Google is not confusing anyone. They have not released any information about the next Nexus phone. It's all these half-baked rumors that are confusing people.
49. nathan.carter (Posts: 414; Member since: 11 Aug 2014)
youre definiteley right on that note. HTC NEXUS ONE......
32. rnagic (Posts: 78; Member since: 13 Jul 2014)
This is not the nexus 6! This will probably be the moto xl or something.
33. Scott93274 (Posts: 2073; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
I've been very content with my Moto X until I tried to capture the "Super moon" in a time lapse video a couple nights back. Low light image and a very stark contrast object (The moon) made for a very poor quality video. I can't really say that I have any experience with cameras on other phones, but I would have liked a higher quality video. Hopefully the X+1 or this Nexus improve the camera quality.
38. uzimafioso (Posts: 131; Member since: 15 Jul 2014)
You cant capture the moon in a good enough video even with lumia 1020. You need a dslr for that.
40. Scott93274 (Posts: 2073; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
So my expectations are a bit too high? Damn. lol
35. nathan.carter (Posts: 414; Member since: 11 Aug 2014)
Dont call this moto a Nexus any more please... HTC PEOPLE......HTC NEXUS ONE
45. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The HTC Nexus One already exists. It was the first Nexus. And I doubt HTC would be making the Nexus 8 tablet and Nexus 6 phone. Google has always had different manufacturers for phones/small tablets/full sized tablets