Monster quad-core HTC phone with 1080p screen headed to Verizon?
The mystery device with the model number HTC6435 would appear to be numbered as if it were a follow up to the Rezound, but it’s apparently packing something insane under the hood. While the device is clocked lower than the AT&T mystery device (at a “mere” 1.5 GHz), it beats the GLBenchmark scores of that other device by an astonishing 60%. For example, on the GLBenchmark Egypt Offscreen 720p test the AT&T mystery device scored a very impressive 8214 frames, but the Verizon mystery device scores an unheard of 13685 frames.
But wait, we’re not done with the “what the heck is this device???” reveals – this Verizon mystery device has a screen resolution of 1794 x 1080. Yup, we’re looking at a 1080p device here. What’s that you say? 1080p is actually1920 x 1080? True enough, but that leads us to the next point – it’s apparently going to be the first HTC phone with with onscreen buttons. At 1794 pixels high, there would be 126 pixels left over for navigation buttons.
Given the unprecedented performance at unparallelled screen resolution, it would seem that we’re looking at an entirely new chip here, perhaps a quad-core S4 chip with the Adreno 320 GPU? Only time will tell, but there can be no doubt that this mystery device is packing some serious silicon beneath its Full HD screen. Also, given that we are talking about a Full HD screen, it seems likely that we aren’t looking at a 4.3” screen here; we’d say that 4.6-4.8” is more likely, and we may be talking about a 5”+ device that is entering into true phablet range.
We’ll certainly keep you posted as we learn more, but one thing is certain; if the rest of the industry is keeping pace with HTC, we are going to be treated to some serious hardware upgrades in the second half of 2012.
source: GLBenchmark via Droid-Life
1. Commentator posted on 12 Jul 2012, 22:39 12 3
Um, I would imagine that this would be a tablet... I read somewhere recently that HTC confirmed a Flyer 2, maybe this is it.
3. KingKurogiii posted on 12 Jul 2012, 22:43 13 1
there's also that 5" HTC Phablet that was rumored to come to Verizon, maybe this lines up.
6. Scott_H posted on 12 Jul 2012, 22:49 14 0
The device number doesn't match HTC's tablet numbers, and does match some of their Verizon phone numbers. Also, unless it's a 7" tablet it doesn't make sense that the onscreen buttons would be on the bottom of the device. And with lots of rumors of an upcoming HTC phablet the facts seem to jive more with over-sized phone than tablet.
10. Commentator posted on 12 Jul 2012, 22:58 12 2
Whatever it is, if it's packing an Adreno 320 it should be Playstation Certified. According to Qualcomm's roadmap, the Adreno 3xx series should be able to render PS3-caliber graphics.
If it is a phablet, I wonder if it will be using LG's recently-unveiled 5" 1080p screen.
11. Scott_H posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:07 11 0
Given the numbers we're seeing here, I'd say that seems utterly plausible.
22. IamYourFather6657 posted on 13 Jul 2012, 00:42 6 2
Might be The 1st ever HTC Tab for Verizon
31. TylerGrunter posted on 13 Jul 2012, 04:24 3 0
The Soc is the one of the S4 Pro series, either the MSM8960T (dual-core) or the APQ8064 (quad-core).
In the tab of the test, under the "GL Environment" tab you can see the GPU:
GL_RENDERER Adreno (TM) 320
30. TylerGrunter posted on 13 Jul 2012, 04:20 1 0
That's what they say, but when I did some actual calculations the Mobile GPUs are still a long way till they get to that level. They don't even match the Wii in GPU power.
So that you make an stimation, only the PoweVR SGX543 MP4 @250 MHz in the iPad is even NEAR the Wii GPU (and still around 30% short)
37. downphoenix posted on 13 Jul 2012, 11:29 0 0
yes, because the hz is the only stat that matters.
Most phones are beyond the Wii in graphics capabilities. If this isn't the case, why are 95% of Wii games looking like something from the PS2/Gamecube era? There's a slim few that actually try to do something with its hardware to put out some pretty good visuals like the mario galaxy game, Metroid Other M, Super Bros Brawl, Xenoblade Saga, but most games opt for the same usual crummy graphics.
41. TylerGrunter posted on 13 Jul 2012, 12:44 0 0
I never said that I was judging the GPU by its MHz, I know that much. I´m basing my opinion (educated, but opinion nevertheless) in the Console-PC graphic card equivalents and the Mobile-PC card benchmark testing.
I was just curios about the claims of the SoCs manufacturers, so did a little study and that´s what I found: still far from PS3 graphs. Such power will have to wait at least two generations of mobile GPUs. End of 2014 or beginning of 2015.
Ah! And the games may look like it, but the Wii GPU is 3 times more powerful than the Xbox and 4 times more than the PS2. Mobile GPUs have just past over the level of those two consoles.
60. downphoenix posted on 20 Jul 2012, 13:28 0 0
I don't think they're as far behind as you'd think. Have you seen Infinity Blade 2? Dead Trigger? Shadowgun? They blow away anything on the last gen consoles and the Wii, without question. Infinity Blade 2 utilizes the same engine that Gears of War 3 does. Unreal 3 can't even work on the Wii, Ubisoft tried to use it for Red Steel 2 but they had to just use a modified Unreal 2 engine because it was too much for the Wii to stabilly handle. I still give it a year before we have current gen level graphics, but by then the next gen will be out of course.
61. TylerGrunter posted on 22 Jul 2012, 14:39 0 0
I have seen those games in the tablets and think they are still some way to the console games. Probaly the difference is in the eye of the beholder.
If you want some links that support my claims:
(check the comment " Correction? by ltcommanderdata on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 ")
(check the position of the mobile GPUs, while a Wii would be an ATI Radeon X1400 equivalent, and yes, I also think they are understimating them)
Anyway, we´ll check if I´m right or not after the new Clover Trail and OMAP 5 SoCs go to market this fall, as they use the same GPU and it will be possible to directly compare Windows Benchmarks with Android ones.
13. KParks23 posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:16 8 0
With that model number its a phone most definitely ... And my next phone bye bye galaxy S3
19. Droid_X_Doug posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:47 6 0
Could be bye-bye RAZR and hello HTC for me as well. I hope HTC follows the form factor and materials they used in the EVO 4G LTE. That is a sweet handset, just limited to Sprint.
28. KParks23 posted on 13 Jul 2012, 02:43 7 0
HTC and motor are known for excellent build quality and feel... And for me they way the phone feels is one of the most important things and this S3 is a really nice phone so far ill admit it's wayyyyy better than i was expecting but it feels like a cheap piece of plastic
4. Joshing4fun posted on 12 Jul 2012, 22:46 12 0
With a screen at 5 inches, the phone would have a ppi count of 418. That'd be insane.
7. Hammerfest posted on 12 Jul 2012, 22:51 0 7
Galaxy Note 2 TYVM...
After the Titan fiasco and continuing issues even after...
Thats an old wound however, I enjoy my Galaxy Note, as long as the Galaxy Note 2 keeps a 16:10 aspect ratio youll find me there as well in the future...
9. Sackboy117 posted on 12 Jul 2012, 22:53 0 0
Can I ask u a question about the Note, do you find it too big to fit in ur pocket or andywhere. Because I'm really leaning into a Note-sized smartphone.
15. g2a5b0e posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:17 3 0
Pisses me off, too! I'm eligible for an upgrade in 3 months & I can tell that this is the phone I've been waiting for (my G2 is looking pretty long in the tooth right now). I really hope T-Mobile gets this or some very close variant of it. I would probably pay more than it's worth...
20. crankyd00d posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:58 3 0
It looks like all you're going to get in T-Mobile is the first gen Note, when the new one is just around the corner
23. IamYourFather6657 posted on 13 Jul 2012, 00:43 1 2
Buy unlocked is always the better choice
14. Commentator posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:17 6 0
It'll be interesting to see how this stacks up against the LG Eclipse and the Samsung Galaxy Note II, and how well they actually do in the market. Is 5" really going to be the new 4"?
17. ojdidit84 posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:40 4 0
Hmmm... If this is true, I may not be leaving Verizon after all... Time to hurry up and wait...
18. MorePhonesThanNeeded posted on 12 Jul 2012, 23:47 8 0
Have people complaining that it's going to VZW, what gives? The SG Note went to ATT and T-Mobile, not point in HTC going where it's already going to have competition. Be the first on VZW with a 5" Note like phone boasting insane capabilities and the latest version of Android and you can probably make some pretty brisk sales. This is definitely the HTC reply to Galaxy Note, no doubt about that. I just hope that it doesn't launch with HTC laundry list of software issues because of sense, like the battery gobbling power issues and buggy WiFi and things of that sort. Now that is out of the way, Motorola's next up to announce a beast of a phone...guaranteed it is going to be something guaranteed to trounce the Atrix just released on ATT and it's more than likely a Droid(guaranteed to be powerful and carrying top of the line specs when announced).
25. ohiwastedmylife posted on 13 Jul 2012, 02:15 4 0
Why is the Adreno 320 a question? The benchmarks clearly say that IT HAS Adreno 320 -->http://www.glbenchmark.com/com
pare.jsp?benchmark=glenv&showh ide=true&certified_only=1&D1=H TC%206435LVW
26. Fayeznoor posted on 13 Jul 2012, 02:17 3 0
@phonearena: Sad to see you people dont take TIPS seriously, I sent u this tip 24 hours ago but you didnt bother to read it nor post it. Sad
27. Owlet posted on 13 Jul 2012, 02:28 4 0
Where do I preoder this thing? Where do I send a check, please???
29. blinkdagger posted on 13 Jul 2012, 03:13 1 0
This is truly MONSTER! I hope there is global version of this.
32. darac posted on 13 Jul 2012, 04:43 3 1
Yo Remixfa, where are you?
Cat got your tongue? :D
Meet the Snapdragon S4 quad!
39. KingKurogiii posted on 13 Jul 2012, 12:28 1 1
and who didn't know it was going to be good? xD
42. darac posted on 13 Jul 2012, 15:19 1 1
Sadly, seems that you need a memory refresh.
No one said it's not gonna be good.
You and Remixfa said that this chip won't be out this fall, and I dared you for a bet it will.
And that it will be the most powerful phone chipset released this year.
It absolutely demolishes the Exynos 4.
Given that the dual core A15/Exynos 5 shouldn't be that much more powerful than quad core Exynos 4, and quad core Exynos 5 is for now reserved for tablets, and we're still talking a pre-release units, it's prety indicative I might end up right on both accounts.
45. KingKurogiii posted on 13 Jul 2012, 17:19 0 0
oh you seem to think that the Pro is out and you think you know how it stacks up to the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5xxx because of this. i see. of course any of the next SoCs will be impressive, the S4 is impressive, but are these scores indicative of it being the best of it's class? no. PA themselves say the Adreno 320 struggles against the PowerVR SGX543(MP4) and the OMAP5 will pack a 544(MP4) and ACTUAL A15 cores and there is no solid info for when these Pro packing devices are coming out so don't get too excited.
48. XiphiasGladius posted on 14 Jul 2012, 04:19 0 0
So basically were looking at Beastly level chipsets in a few months from now, either way all those chipsets with those GPU's would be like the Veyron's in different special edition versions. . .
50. KingKurogiii posted on 14 Jul 2012, 13:20 0 0
pretty much but if you want to argue which is the best i still wouldn't pull for Qualcomm (even though they probably SHOULD be being that they have such a lock on the US Market)
52. Hunt3rj2 posted on 15 Jul 2012, 16:11 0 0
The OMAP5 will have an SGX544MP2 at just a tad over 500 MHz, which means it's just slightly faster than the SGX543MP4 in the iPad3. The OMAP5 will have two Cortex A15s at 2 GHz, for devices next year. Qualcomm will either be going with quad cores at similar clock speeds or going with massively overclocked dual cores.
In other words, you can probably expect these to be neck and neck.
53. KingKurogiii posted on 15 Jul 2012, 16:37 0 0
even if the entry level OMAP5 comes with an MP2 the later versions in the series will come with MP4s.
this Krait architecture of Qualcomm's is only slightly better than Cortex A9. I'd still wager that dual A-15s will beat quad Kraits.
54. Hunt3rj2 posted on 15 Jul 2012, 16:42 0 0
The only version of OMAP 5 announced for mobile phones is an MP2, nothing there about MP4s.
The Krait architecture is a pretty significant jump over Cortex A9, and is either equivalent in per MHz performance or just slightly slower, and the Cortex A15 only achieves performance superiority at the cost of more power consumption.
55. KingKurogiii posted on 15 Jul 2012, 20:45 0 0
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they no doubt specified the GPU as an MPx because the design will use different multi-core configurations which means that the OMAP5430 will use an MP2 and something probably like an OMAP5460 will use an MP4 configuration.
it's certainly good but it's no A-15.
33. vladd100 posted on 13 Jul 2012, 06:35 1 0
HTC must strike back with a solid android TAB over Microsoft decision regarding windows 8 RT.....
35. nedooo posted on 13 Jul 2012, 07:48 0 0
New iPads PowerVR SGX 543 MP4 scores 140 fps in GL Egypt offscreen test. Now where it the breakthrough?
43. darac posted on 13 Jul 2012, 15:32 0 0
You shouldn't compare a phone version GPU with the tablet iteration of another GPU.
Ipad has the 543MP tuned and revved up to the maximum- and that's possible because of iPad's huge battery.
The phone version of the same GPU is what you need to look at..and it's easily beaten by adreno 320.
Adreno 3xx architecture is just starting in its most basic, downclocked/ minimal core number iteration..the full development potential and overclocking/core adding abilities will be shown in laptops and tablets.
47. KingKurogiii posted on 13 Jul 2012, 22:18 0 0
so how do you know what version this is i wonder. :P
remember the same GPU is in the PSV which has a much smaller battery and it can cross platform with the PS3. i think that voids your argument.
49. darac posted on 14 Jul 2012, 07:44 0 0
Um, a phone version? :p
Qualcomm slated the adreno 320 also for laptops and tablets. Do you really think it will have the same configuration for the laptop and phones?
Use your brain.
And vita is a gaming device.
Its GPU would make a smartphone run out of juice too soon.
Smartphones are still a matter of compromise.
That being said, the iPad 3 games are visually more impressive than the Vita games.
Take into account the huge difference in number of pixels the ipad has to push, and do the math.
51. KingKurogiii posted on 14 Jul 2012, 13:33 0 0
yeah, i actually looked back to see if i missed something but i just see numbers, not the configuration of the SoC. i know that there's different versions but you can't really say for certain that this has the lowest clock values. if it is the Phablet it would actually have a larger than average battery.
the Vita is coming in 4G and is available with 3G now so what's the difference?
i don't think so and if they were it would be a memory issue and not a GPU issue and with SoCs this powerful pushing pixels isn't really much of a chore for them. the difference would be negligible.
36. androiddownsouth posted on 13 Jul 2012, 08:53 1 0
/drool.......... *wipes chin* yeah I think I'll be waiting for this phone to replace my Rezound...... just wow.....
38. downphoenix posted on 13 Jul 2012, 11:48 1 1
wow, that sounds amazing. Hopefully Sprint gets something killer like this soon, they took forever just to get dual core phones, hold its not the same for quad.
40. Berzerk000 posted on 13 Jul 2012, 12:32 2 0
HTC's answer to the Note maybe? Or perhaps a tablet? 1080p isn't necessary for a phone, but good marketing... Glad it's an S4 quad though, nice to finally see some benckmarks for it, looks like it's as impressive as ever. Hope they come out with a device packed with the S4 quad soon, hopefully with a smaller screen since I'm not really into tablets or phablets. 4.8" is my max probably, if they keep the bezel slim. And I hope they stick with 720p for the smaller version, don't need to waste any of that power pushing pixels that I can't even see.
46. richardyarrell2011 (banned) posted on 13 Jul 2012, 21:57 1 1
I stick to Samsung especially with the Galaxy Note 2 coming soon. I wish Htc well in entering the challenge against Samsung in the phablet market. Htc better bring it's A game because 5.5inch screen will be hard to beat...
56. Deylune posted on 16 Jul 2012, 16:09 0 0
i can tell that this is going to be my next Android phone by the sound of the specs and i like HTC phones a lot
57. CreeDiddy posted on 16 Jul 2012, 16:33 0 0
This is nice breakthrough technology. However, I am going to guess that Samsung is the first to 1920x1080 screen. Ipad has already doubled what is available in tablet market now. The smartphone is next...
58. g2a5b0e posted on 17 Jul 2012, 00:27 0 0
Possibly, but LG has the technology.