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Ming-Chi Kuo: iPhone 7 Plus may have a dual-camera version with optical zoom

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Ming-Chi Kuo: iPhone 7 Plus may have a dual-camera version with optical zoom
Remember the rumors that Apple is working on a dual-camera setup for a future iPhone? Well, that future might be as soon as this year, according to the reputable Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. According to a research memo he sent out to clients today, the iPhone 7 Plus will have an extra special version with two rear camera sensors.

Apparently, Apple has shoehorned technology from the Israeli firm LinX, whose acquisition it announced last year, which allows it to produce high-quality images from relatively small sensors in a multi-lens, multi-aperture configuration with a unique software algorithm. LinX wasn't shy to describe this invention as being able to produce pictures bordering on DSLR quality, especially in low-light scenarios.

Apple's compact optical zoom patent

Apple's compact optical zoom patent

According to Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple's dual-camera setup for this iPhone 7 Plus model will include two 12 MP camera sensors from Sony, but one of the lenses will have wider aperture than the other. Here things get a little crazy - the analyst says that one of the camera modules will be equipped with optical image stabilization. So far so good, we have OIS on the 6s Plus now, but he also claims that the other would sport 2-3x optical zoom lens. Apple actually patented such a setup last year, so this suggestion is not totally out of whack, and will be a true game changer in phone cameras if it materializes.

When it comes to pricing and availability for this camera-centric version, whatever it gets named eventually, Ming-Chi Kuo expects it to account for 25-35% of total iPhone 7 Plus shipments, and we'd wager to guess it would cost more than the regular single-lens model. Samsung is also said to experiment with dual-camera technology, and is expected to introduce a brand new 12 MP unit with larger sensor with the Galaxy S7, so who knows what is in the cards for the Note 6, for instance, if Apple indeed comes out blazing with a dual-camera iPhone 7 Plus model.

source: AppleInsider

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posted on 27 Jan 2016, 06:20 4

1. Jimrod (Posts: 997; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)


Ming-Chi Kuo talks a lot of bollocks half the time, states the obvious the other half and just regurgitates every rumour going - For this he's become a "reputable analyst".

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 07:11 1

4. nctx77 (Posts: 1717; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


Sure, I bet you only beleive him when he talks negative things about Apple. What a way to cherry pic! Troll of the day!

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 07:26 3

5. Jimrod (Posts: 997; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)


I have an iPhone 6 and iPad 2, never owned an Android device. I just think he repeats every rumour, all the things he gets wrong are forgotten and he's seen as some kind of "industry insider" for it.

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 13:13 1

11. AlikMalix (Posts: 5095; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


I'm with jimrod on this one.

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 10:24 1

8. Tanujtiwari (Posts: 76; Member since: 18 Mar 2015)


If what they say is true, every Android manufacturer will follow suit. But first, Samsung. Then LG. Reinventing cameras you see.

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 11:17 4

9. xfire99 (Posts: 794; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)


You mean the opposite, that Apple follows suit!
Google HTC one M8, ZTE Axon, Axon pro, Xolo and whatever more that already have dual camera.
But sure, they will claim they are first that invented dual camera at the back as usual.

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 13:10 2

10. AlikMalix (Posts: 5095; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Would you enlighten us when Apple claimed they did something first but they didn't. Direct quotes please, dates, and examples. I keep hearing you guys saying Apple "claimed" when I never hear them saying "we invented the first ever....." Except for when they actually did have the first ever.....

Please at least 3 examples. I don't mind to be proven wrong.

posted on 28 Jan 2016, 00:39 1

13. AlikMalix (Posts: 5095; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


So...? Anything?

posted on 28 Jan 2016, 12:50

14. xfire99 (Posts: 794; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)


A famous quote by your God:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,”
- "first major computer company to make Open Source"

Rest you can google for it.
I dont live here and read iSheeps vs Fandroids bash on each others.

posted on 28 Jan 2016, 15:04

15. AlikMalix (Posts: 5095; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


1st quote: um, what? And what does it have to do with your lies?
2nd quote: When did Apple claim that and for what product?

I'm not gonna google anything? For two reasons: it's a wild-goose chase, but specifically, I keep hearing you people claim this crap that Apple "claims all inventions for themselves" but never prove your s**t. You haters keep repeating the same thing "watch, Apple is gonna call it their OWN innovation" and then reference back to your own spewed nonsense as fact.

"Rest you can google for it" = "I have no idea what I was talking about, I can't find proof for for my own, can you prove my point for me". You're pathetic, if you think you're above someone after you say that biased BS.

Prove your own damn lies. And stop with this religious BS too.. It's not insulting, it's annoying.

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 06:34 6

2. AkoSiKuting (banned) (Posts: 88; Member since: 09 Dec 2015)


keyboard warriors from android club will gonna rage soon, but it doesn't change the fact that iphone is getting better and better in every aspect that will piss them off :)

Go Apple!!!

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 06:39

3. Rhinoface (Posts: 176; Member since: 05 Dec 2014)


Generally with I think of the a successor to something, it gets better and better after each iteration. Literally everything does. That's the whole point of releasing another version. GG

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 07:41 1

6. Guaire (Posts: 500; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


1/3" sensors which Apple prefers so far fits 8.5mm wide, square camera modules. That would be z-height if sensor placed parallel to optical axis as presented that diagram, I guess.

Likely iPhone 7 will be thinner than iPhone 6, not the other way around. Unless they would settled with way too much smaller sensor which is pretty unlikely, I don't think that optical zoom mechanism gonna be implemented in iPhone 7.

DSLR quality claim probably is just marketing. Before acquired by Apple, Linx was explaining how their dual cam setup produce better images at their own site. To getting better images they has been using two identical image sensor, but one of them was mono. Lack of color filter means better light sensitivity, consequently better image quality. Linx was using 2 sets of 4MP sensors with 2um pixel size and was producing 8MP images. Obviously their algorithm was recreating a colored image and scaled it up.

According to Linx, if dual cam setup hasn't a mono sensor, it couldn't produce better images, only would have produce low quality depth map.

So it can be used as some special sort of digital zoom with cropping instead to upscaling whole image as once Linx proposed.

I'm not sure where different apertures stand in that equation.

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 08:44 4

7. submar (Posts: 369; Member since: 19 Sep 2014)


Inspired by Android OEMs

posted on 27 Jan 2016, 20:14

12. ibend (Posts: 3548; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


yeah right, zenfone zoom use the same zoom mechanism and already announced on jan'15..
and then apple get same patent with that on mar'15 :-/

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