Microsoft's big announcement slips, company to enter tablet business to compete against Apple
the latter would have a huge advantage over the other manufacturers considering that the company is also producing the software that is running the hardware. While the tablet manufacturers could turn to Android for help, Google's acquisition of Motorola Mobility also puts them in the hardware business.
We will probably get some responses from the other manufacturers soon which will give us an idea what they are thinking.
1. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Huh, should be pretty cool. Can't wait!
50. appleDOESNT.com (Posts: 435; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
So slow to react MS... you coulda been a contenda, if you hadn't let Apple run wild in the 2000's but even now, too little too late methinks... if it weren't for Google we would all be in the herd by now :(
60. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Dude, MS designed windows XP in 2001 - which still has a larger world wide market share than ALL of OSX right now. Let's not even talk about the 500 million windows 7 users.
For Microsoft, Apple is nothing more than an annoying buzzing little bug, waiting to be squashed. Seeing how OSX turns more and more into iOS - that bug WILL be squashed by Microsoft and Google's Android.
63. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5793; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
One problem with your analysis is that the iPad was an evolution from the iPhone and Apple was leveraging the iOS ecosystem. Maybe MS can leapfrog the requirement for a large foundation upon which to build, but it is doubtful.
Annoying buzzing little bug, waiting to be squashed.... Good one. That is why Apple has a larger market cap than MS - a bug just waiting to be squashed.
65. tegradragon (Posts: 68; Member since: 23 May 2012)
You can't compare those 500 million windows users with OSX users! Windows based computers are significantly cheaper than Macs! And Apple's just a bug? Do you know which is the most valuable brand in the world? You may argue upon their products but there's just no way you're going to call Apple a BUG..
81. Pdubb (Posts: 239; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
You are right you cannot compare the 500 million WINDOWS7 users to the 26 million OSX users. MS just makes the software while Apple makes both. That makes for a hard to define comparison in and of itself. Also stop using the market value to decide how a company is doing because it is just a perception not a real metric. It changes daily and does not take a-lot of other things. Apple does not employ as many people as other companies with a much lower market value. I will agree with you however that Apple is no bug.(unless it is one of those Journey2 bugs)
77. appleDOESNT.com (Posts: 435; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
@ila dude, if you are replying to me? I am a MS and Google supporter (well all technology really other than the narrow vision of Apple's eye). That doesn't change the facts tho.. in this last decade, MS and Apple traded places. Apple was a mere 13billion market Cap and MS was in the 400billions.. 10 years later, iPod, iPhone, iPad have just stole those markets and vaulted Apple into ridiculousness.. Basically MS has had no competing products worth a damn in this space... Google saved us all, without android we all would be in the herd. MS should be ashamed of themselves, letting Apple just run wild all these years. Balmer is soooo far from Bill and Steve it isn't even funny.. he basically took MS and ran it into mediocrity
2. steven252000 (Posts: 64; Member since: 10 Feb 2010)
Hope they do better with their tablets than they seem to be doing with their windows phones......
28. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Wish u not all the best to the coming years....
57. PAPINYC (Posts: 2284; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Ha-Ha, at the risk of being cynical, their tablets should sell as well as their phones. I'm not an Apple fan but, not even I, would forego an iPad for a WinPad.
It should be fun to watch Ballmer swim out of another sink hole.
4. networkdood (Posts: 6267; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I am not sure what to think of this, but it makes sense. Maybe a Nokia Windows 8 tablet would be pretty cool.
20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5793; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Especially with the $85/copy license fee. Maybe Nokia can get a special 'dicount' from MS?
35. chrischau1308 (Posts: 53; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
Like 84.99$ ?_? (Price after discount)
64. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5793; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Exactly - the $84.99 is Nokia's special discounted price. Friends and Family and whatnot.
5. mas11 (Posts: 1029; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Good luck with that. The only hardware Microsoft should make is the Xbox.
36. ieronz (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)
i couldn't agree more mate. by the way, i remember their execs saying different nays about the iPad and the tablet market. Talk about going back to eating their vomit..
7. Santi_Santi (unregistered)
oh these guys, dont they realize about the importance of the xbox?
8. Sniggly (Posts: 7047; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Sniggly surveyed the event from his perch up in the rafters.
It was almost time. His eyes hardened as his excitement built. After so long, after so much pain and suffering, he would finally have his revenge.
The laughter, the mocking, the expressions which triggered unbelievable rage...
Soon, Sniggly thought. Soon, he would have his payback.
Suddenly, movement behind the stage curtains.
"Target acquired," Sniggly whispered into his mic.
"Understood, Agent S. Good luck."
Sniggly stood, easily balancing on the steel rafters, taking quick, silent steps as he glided to attack position.
There he was. His target was right there below him. It was time.
Sniggly dropped down, landing easily in front of his target. He tossed tranq darts in all directions, knocking out the guards rushing to defend their leader. Ignoring the screams and terrified cries around him-not to mention the smell of urine coming from his target- Sniggly grabbed the petrified man and forced him to his knees.
"Why?" pleaded the man.
Sniggly stared at him coldly, his hard eyes boring straight into the man's soul.
His fist drew back, then drove forward as his muscles uncoiled, smashing into the hawklike nose.
"This," he roared, "is for thinking no one would buy the iPhone!"
Another punch landed, driving back the target's chin.
"This is for thinking Android would never succeed!"
A third punch, an uppercut this time, knocked the target on his ass.
"And THAT was for having an extremely punchable face!"
And with that, Sniggly laid down a card for a local plastic surgeon, turned, and walked off the stage and into the hearts of millions, leaving Steve Ballmer to choke on his goddamn teeth.
22. remixfa (Posts: 13909; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
sniggly.. i think we need to talk about some punchy anger issues.. lolol
44. DigitalBoy05 (Posts: 202; Member since: 04 Jun 2011)
i almost cried a lil at how awesome that was.
61. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Yeah Steve ball-less-mer is one of the worst CEOs ever. However Microsoft is still Microsoft. It has enough cash to always try something new if the old one fails.
9. Penny (Posts: 1159; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I second networkdood, not sure what to think about this. I think Microsoft is excellent at what they do and I'm sure they can make a great product, but at the same time, other manufacturers have be very irked by this. Microsoft has a huge advantage over them because they can A) better integrate the OS with their own hardware and B) enjoy a reduced manufacturing cost by saving on the OS licensing.
I just hope it doesn't turn other manufacturers away.
24. remixfa (Posts: 13909; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
OK.. explain to me MS's upper hand in this. The only hand they are gonna get is from branding not from hardware.
MS is going to use the same hardware as everyone else. Intel processors and the like. Its still a windows product. There is no "secret code" they are going to give themselves and deny everyone else. That has never happened and never will. I am talking specifically of Windows, not RT. Though I doubt RT will have any real "favorites" either other than Nokia.
At best its a "nexus" style product. Self branded and guaranteeing certain updates. At worst, its exactly the same as everyone else, just with an MS logo on it instead of Dell/Asus/Sammy
People get up in arms over nothing.
39. Penny (Posts: 1159; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I do agree with you that Microsoft is unlikely to customize the code for their own tablets. This, above all else, would be the one action that would alienate manufacturers. The point, however, is that they will have the ability to do so. They're selling a closed OS to their partners, but to them, it could potentially be wide open. Again, they are unlikely to do this, but it is bound to be a concern for their hardware partners.
The second advantage they have is manufacturing cost, and this is an automatic advantage -- not one they may potentially utilize. Whatever the price that they are selling the OS to their partners for, their cost per unit will be that much less.
It isn't analogous to a Nexus product for these two reasons. A Nexus is based off an open-source OS, so each manufacturer has equal ability to customize and integrate it. At the same time, each manufacturer has equal cost to license the OS = $0 (not considering IP infringement costs).
46. remixfa (Posts: 13909; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Windows is a licensed "open source" OS. You pay for the licence then you can do pretty much whatever you want with it.
I dont see where MS gets a price advantage on parts. They dont manufacture anything. They will be buying for someone else to make it. Asus, Samsung, Dell and others do in house manufacturing. More than likely any competitive advantage MS might get for not having to licence itself to itself will be offset by not being able to match other's self manufacturing costs.
56. Penny (Posts: 1159; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
From my understanding, Windows is a closed source operating system. Great access if you want to customize, but still closed source. However, I do think Ballmer and Microsoft were planning to open up Windows at some point; don't know if that is happening with Windows 8.
Microsoft wouldn't get an advantage on parts. All else being equal, I was just demonstrating that Microsoft would have the reduced per unit cost of licensing their OS (for their own tablets). But, as you correctly pointed out, all else is not likely to be equal. Other manufacturers probably have a leg up on Microsoft when it comes to sourcing components at cheaper prices, or at least we would presume.
71. remixfa (Posts: 13909; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I dont know if you could call it "closed source". If Apple is "closed source" and android is "open source", MS would fall somewhere in the middle, but closer to the Android side. Yes, you pay a liscencing fee, but after that (as far as the W8 desktop version goes), you can mess with it to your heart's content just like any other windows system. If MS stays true to its roots, the windows subsystem should be pretty easy to get into and make changes. If it were freeware like android is, we would call it open source or mostly open source. I dont know that charging an upfront licence fee really changes that as long as the rest is still there.
Anyways.. I cant wait. My tablet decisions are on complete hold until we see what W8 (not RT) is bringing. I dont think I'll be upgrading my desktop to W8 any time soon unless they offer some kind of cross license bundle offer, but I really would love the extra functionality with tablet portability. It would make school on the go much easier.
26. snowgator (Posts: 3210; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Penny- I have concerns....
Does this show that Microsoft is truly focused on the Tablets over their WP support?? I am starting to worry. I had a problem with the software interface with my Wife's Titan, and after AT&T assured us it was a Microsoft issue (which I believe, without going into really boring details), I finally got a phone number for a MS tech. Did you know there is NO ONE you can talk to about WP? If you can't get help online, there is no alternative. Want help with XBOX? PC's? Freaking SERVERS??? They have trained operators for SERVERS, BUT NOT WP!!! It is CRAZY!!!
Now, we have MS taking the XBOX approach to Tablets, and tap dancing in the streets over it. They have Apps for XBOX live and Word to Android, the iPad and the iPhone (which I actually agree with), what does that leave for their WP experience?
I am all in on truly functioning Tablets. Especially seeing how the market has yet to truly take off. MS and their software is a natural for it. But, if MS is slowly moving to an Apple mentality, where does that leave WP? Where does that leave manufacturers like Samsung, HTC (already slighted by MS), LG (who has already slighted MS), and other WP producers? Especially if WP 8 makes strides, but not HUGE strides?
I am really tired of mixed signals from this company.
29. remixfa (Posts: 13909; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
WP is the glue that holds all the other pieces together. sure, ya get some W8 on your PC/tablet, your Xbox changes to it.. your Ford Sync starts lookin like it.. and who knows what else. But what will be the 1 device that stores all your important info and is always around you to sync to other W8 devices? Your Wp8 phone. Its a very important part of the Live Tile ecosystem that MS is trying to build. I always thought WP7 was the stepping stone to something bigger, and if I'm right, MS will put a lot more behind WP8 service wise than they currently have now.
No worries bud.
34. MindHead (Posts: 1; Member since: 15 Jun 2012)
Snowgator - I would love to offer you an answer to your concerns but I feel they are bit confused and mislplaced.
You may be among a small percentage of people who recevied a defunct Windows Phone UI where the issue was with Windows Phone OS and not the implementation by the OEM. If that is the case, perhaps Microsoft feels the amount of resources for such a call are not warranted. (Possibly a sad reality)
This is the same thing that happens on Android for that matter, and to a large extent iOS. Phone UI's largely are not fixed with call support. It is rare someone can walk you through UI bugs the same way they do on a full blown OS. Normally there is patch released by the developer or the OEM to address such an issue. It would really be up to HTC to speak with Microsoft about the number of UI calls they are receiving and for Microsoft to send the appropriate patch to HTC to implement (which has happened on several occasions).
The WP experience is an in-house project, that once completed, is then shipped to OEM's to implement. HTC has a notorious record for bad implementation of many OS.
As far as being slighted, Samsung, HTC, and LG have not. They were among the first WP developers and chose not to invest adequate resrouces into the platform. Nokia, is actively seeking APP partnerships, using quality design and offering a Mapping solution that benefits the entire ecosystem. I feel if HTC, Samsung, and LG feel slighted, it is only at their own behest they do so.
41. Penny (Posts: 1159; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I did not realize that Microsoft does not have phone support for their WP7 product. That's the bad news. The good news is that I didn't know this because I've never had to use it, and I think this is probably true in general for most WP7 users. As MindHead stated, this is probably the result of a calculation by Microsoft that it may not be worth the resources, sad as that may be.
Personally, I am not too disappointed by this. In this business world, I have been getting used to more and more B2B companies offering only e-mail support, or optional phone support at added cost. While this may not be considered a good thing, it is a natural result of more and more services being moved to the online/digital realm. Another trend that goes hand-in-hand with this is the shift of help resources to online, in the form of FAQs, e-mail support, and forums.
As for Microsoft focusing on tablets, you have to understand that this is actually a POSITIVE sign for what's to come with Windows Phone devices. What it means is that Microsoft is going all in with this ecosystem that they started with WP7. It means that we really could be looking at, in the near future, an OS that is integrated across all platforms, and seamlessly at that.
That's also the vision that we have to hope and assume the manufacturers are seeing. While Microsoft joining the hardware fray may bother some of these manufacturers, they are businesses that will not want to pass up the opportunity of cashing in on an ecosystem with so many different access points (phones, tablets, computers, games, business solutions, and more).
So, I appreciate your concerns snow, and they are very appropriate for the occasion. If all goes poorly in Microsoft's execution, then we end up with a situation that validates your concerns. But if Microsoft executes their game plan and succeeds, then we are looking at a huge opportunity for Microsoft. Either way, if Microsoft is putting all their eggs into this basket, you can rest assured that they are not going to ditch any aspect of the game plan (such as support for WP8 devices).
10. steven252000 (Posts: 64; Member since: 10 Feb 2010)
Hmmm.....will it be called the Microsoft Kin 3? lol
11. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
Maybe this is good. Samsung tablets are not very good, slow and lot of bugs never fixed - i own one, and i never buy apple. So the ms tab is interesting
13. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
If Google can make their own tablet (Nexus Table), why cant MS do the same???
19. Chronos (Posts: 257; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
Google is only working on the software. ASUS is working on everything else.
66. -box- (Posts: 3797; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
True, but the premise is the same, be it Microsoft, Google, Apple, Best Buy (Insignia), etc. Apple doesn't make their own equipment, but they (and some non-U.S. companies) develop the software and general design for their devices, then they have companies like Foxconn manufacture them.
14. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 294; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
So that was Monday's announcement? An official outing of the industry's worst kept secret? I'm underwhelmed.
15. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
Hey Alan F, you should post this:
16. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
I bet there will be quite a focus on smartglass with Ms tablets. Exciting.
17. RichieRich379 (Posts: 21; Member since: 23 Mar 2012)
I think microsoft should just buy nokia and make their own cell phone. WIndow 8 tablet is going to be a big success no matter what. Removable battery, sd card slot and hdmi out. Plus the most advance ui of all tablets by far, its a no brainer, however by them making a tablet it could irate their pc partners who was hoping to cash in. Big time for microsoft; seems that they have learned from their mistakes and now quality and advertising are priorties going foward.
30. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
But there still will be over 50 restrictions....
18. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
This is the same thing that Android OEMs wondered about when Google acquired Motorola. We'll see what happens shortly, it's going to be a hard sell for MS to get OEM to support them whole heartedly especially the likes of Samsung, Motorola, Sony and other top tier manufacturers. Hope this works out better for them than their smart phone business.
21. putes (Posts: 38; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
I think Microsoft's hand has been forced since third party vendors have been lousy at creating Windows PCs and tablets.
IF Microsoft can integrate and created a superb tablet because it also makes the OS and it sells it at a low price then MS could have a winner.
But MS has to deliver... and here is the problem...
Is MS just creating a tablet to say we have a tablet or is MS creating the most amazing tablet since the iPad3?
If this tablet doesn't surpass the iPad3 then it is another loser.
25. RichieRich379 (Posts: 21; Member since: 23 Mar 2012)
Removabe battery, threre it surpassed ipad3
38. thedarkside (Posts: 652; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
so just because it has a removable battery its better than the new ipad?
68. -box- (Posts: 3797; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
All Microsoft (or any other tablet manufacturer for Windows8) has to do is make a tablet that is on par (at least) with a netbook or nettop (in terms of functionality, performance, portability, battery life, etc) with a touchscreen, make it good looking, well-built, well-balanced, not too heavy, and everything else that's essentially standard on a tablet or netbook, and it'll outperform (and possibly outsell) every other tab on the market, if it's priced accordingly. Price them the same as a netbook, say $200-450 depending on specs, and offer docks like for Asus' Tranformer line at a reasonable cost. Do that, and I'd be waiting to preorder one and forego the extra cost of getting a convertible notebook/ultrabook
27. roscuthiii (Posts: 1803; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
I'm thinking not so much an iPad competitor, but more like 7" Kindle Fire competitor. Maybe running Windows Phone, the next version, Apollo or whatever. Don't they have some kind of deal with the Nook or Barnes & Noble too?
31. remixfa (Posts: 13909; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Honestly. I think we need a new Balmer pictures for MS articles. Poor old sniggly is going to have a myocardial infarction if he sees Balmer too many more times. :)
maybe something with him smiling.. and wearing something cute... and frilly.. lol
32. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
But would Androids, Fandroids, iFans buy this...
59. BREvenson (Posts: 207; Member since: 17 May 2012)
You never know until it happens. If Microsoft markets this well and shows that it can offer something that the iPad can't (which is tough, to be honest), then they have a chance. They probably won't take a lot of market share away from Apple, but if it works, they'll have an opportunity to gain something new and show that they still have what it takes to give people good products that can hold their own in today's market. As I have mentioned before, there's only one way to find out.
42. jove39 (Posts: 1285; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Though...manufacturers have done wonderful job with win8 tabs at computex...I like Acer's w7000...not sure what extra MS will bring...apart from saving licence fee...and "the latter would have a huge advantage over the other manufacturers"...what huge advantage writer is talking about here?