Microsoft Surface with Windows 8 Pro may have hit the FCC
1. MeoCao (unregistered)
I think this is very dumb idea, Surface pro is a laptop but can't replace powerful laptops. It is also not convenient to hold as tablet.
Very confusing product.
3. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
This is really v. 1.0 of the concept. This is an example of how a tablet like the Surface needs a more capable CPU (i7 quadcore analogy) that draws the same (or less) power as an S4 Pro.
Maybe v. 2.0 does a better job of meeting the requirements?
5. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i5 surface isnt bad at all i think its balance between performance and power managment besides if it can run hig end games well then it can run any software u put in
6. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Plus there is the matter of weight. i5 requires a larger battery, which equals more weight. If v. 2.0 can provide i7 computing ability at S4 Pro (or better) electricity consumption, battery size (and weight) can be reduced. Hopefully Surface v. 2 can meet the challenge.
8. MeoCao (unregistered)
lol, I think u r talking about 2014 tablets
the point is the market for so so portability and not so powerful as laptop tablet is very small.
Most people are better served by a really powerful laptop and/or a true tablet.
9. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
MS has recognized how tablets are cannibalizing the netbook and some part of the notebook markets. If memory serves, the Surface Pro was targeted at users who want more than a Surface RT - kind of bridging tablets + notebooks with desktop OS. Right now, that means a heavier product than people want in a tablet form factor.
The challenge for MS and its partners is to deliver. Sammy seems to be in the lead with its 14nm chipset. Maybe Intel can leapfrog Sammy (LOL!)? Competition is the mother of innovation....
28. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
which one is a true Tablet u are talking about those toys get over it even a phone can do what those TRUE tablets can do in less price
12. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
no doubt i7 is better but i7 is more get more heated i think :P
18. MeoCao (unregistered)
To know which 1 is better we must know what they are used for. for desktop i7 are better as they are more powerful, for tablets ARM chips are better as they are much more efficient.
20. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
The problem with ARM chips is that you can't run legacy software on them. That is the whole point of the Surface Pro. Whether it is a successful endeavor remains to be seen (it is more of a niche device), but I believe that there is a demand for such a device and MS is at least attempting to meet that need.
22. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I may be overly optimistic about the demand for a Surface Pro type of device that can run legacy software. Then again, there were all manner of doubters when people were talking about tablets 2 years ago. At one point back in time, even Steve was dismissive. And then the iPad was born.
MS still needs to get a number of things right, and their batting average isn't the highest, but.... A Surface Pro that has the computing power of an i7, weight and battery life of the current gen iPad (less weight would obviously be better), retina display with LTE connectivity could see sales taken away from a bunch of competing platforms.
It might even become the standard for a whole new market segment. MS no less. What a novel concept.
23. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i think ur totall point is only android should be ok to do things, all others can leave their buisness to hell and u are so mean that you dont like different thing not coming from google. othervise its best thing MS could have ever done
i7 ingetration can get way to expensive at moment they not using heatsink fans for surface so let the technology grow and its the perfect direction not some toys that Ipad and droid tablets are to date it is actually for professionals thats why it named PRO
and besides ur beloved android was garbage when it was out no one said it is underrated so drop it and stick to iphone back then. opposing this tech shows ur ignorent and biased
and Technical people are gonna throw their ipads and android tabs in store rooms when they realize that those are toys for games and media stuff, documentation and end of story
but surface is what even i imagined the true tablet long before MS announced. back when only ipad was here limited with larg screen overpriced and underperfomer .
and even if Pro turns out lags and slow people wont give a s**t if it can do all latpot stuff too not just movies and creating a document which a phone can also make
So question what can ipad or Android tablets do that Iphones and Android phones CANNOT then tell me what can PRO do
21. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I am not talking about using an i7 chip, just using the i7 level of performance as a benchmark. i7 is a non-starter from both electricity consumption and heat generation perspectives.
24. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i think u are correct my knowledge is not upto date on new procesors but dont u think i5 is already expensive maybe thats why MS might have delayed i7 just to catch the market first with some level of competetive price with laptops then latter they might move to all level i3,i5,i7.....
25. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I am just using i7 as a reference point for computing power. A chip that combines the computing power of the i7, electricity consumption, heat generation and cost of the S4 Pro is future-ware. IF MS and its partners can pull it off, IMO MS has a shot at being relevant in a new market segment.
But that is a lot of ifs. Of course, MS tends to do a better job of focusing itself when faced with existential challenges, so it may yet pull success from the jaws of defeat.
4. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
atlest they started in new direction rather following the toys games like Ipads and other android tabs that do nothing but games and media stuff. and it is not dumb idea it is what tablet needed its u who think that idea is dumb although Surface is not out to tell how it performs but the idea is better then being an open system
7. MeoCao (unregistered)
Can you say what can we use this Surface Pro for?
As I see it portability means for entertainment or light busines jobs which does not need a powerful CPU but demands long battery life, light weight, ergonomic design...
Most heavy jobs are better performed with desktop mode. even hard core gaming.
10. Shino (banned) (Posts: 196; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
No, my friend. I am so anxious to get a Surface with real Win, just because I need a reliable machine, on which to use fully AutoCad, Office, a lot of programs made for Windows and etc. None of these can be done properly with an iPad or especially with some sort of Android. And beseides all that, I need some balance among the upper, the weight, performance and batt life.
13. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i take it as a office use for developer suits like .NET PCB Shematics designing , C/C++ , Embedded system coding, intall Virtual machine and get full linux in the Pro running u name it and more it also can do MAYA Adobe coral draw i hope and other things and maybe u are limited to movies and games which pro can do f9 games for android is no match for games from Desktop if u ever played them so Pro is really something ahead of tablets in functionality and Laptops in portability
19. MeoCao (unregistered)
I think there are many geeks want Surface Pro, but not many more beyond that. I can predict that Surface Pro will fail badly: it can't compete with either tablets or laptops for the mass market.
26. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i think u are total biased or dont want to understand the limitaion of ur open android in tablets u see android phones and tabs are no different except for the screen size thats a joke but technically true
surface RT surface PRO are totall different u can compare RT with tablets PRO doesnot have any direct competetion
my projection says it may not catch sales in first 6-10 months but when people see what it brought people who will want to buy laptops will also look at PRO those who want tab will also look for PRO
in one year it might take off stronger then u expect it
and geeks u are talking about are not geeks they are profestionals working. if u nothing but a high school kid u probably not know it but in office pro is perfect ipads are not android are not.
only thing that failed was android tabs i say Epic fail to compete Ipads so get over ur lames with nothing special but customization hahahahaha bravo. their are only few hundered or thousands of guys like u who would say that.
and uptill now people only get tabs cuz it makes them chick magnet or they are probably show offs or want to try something differnt. dont see a reson for getting ipad or nexus when u already have iphone or sgs3
15. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
The same old same old, this won't make no diffrence! When sales for this is declining, theres no demand for Pro! Unless they use Nvidia Gtx and along with 3Gb Ram and iNtel i3 clocked at 2.5 Ghz and has side air vents so the Cpu and Gpu can be cooled down, till then an epic fail! its all about power and specs™®®
27. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
u are just mean and biased and closed minded. you dont know a jack about things. my advice please leave PA get a admission in school and lets hope they let you in.
or if u so awsome and genious why dont you show us all how will u do it the things u crying about
11. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Actually, upon thinking about it some more, I've changed my mind about the usability of the "heavy tablet / hybrid " category.
Just imagine sitting on the sofa with a two pound + touch device on your lap.
You'll see that you need a proper angle of interaction with the screen, without supporting it with your hands (because of the weight ).
How do you achieve that?
With a kick stand!
It just needs to be thicker and comfortable.
Such device with a high end specs would be an absolute laptop killer..
The significance of keyboard is overrated and manufacturers should just go for the detachable solution instead of doing stunts like Dell XPS 12 or Sony Vaio Duo 11.
..is a much better idea imo, but needs to streamline that keyboard into something much flatter.
My point - surface pro has a really usable concept, just needs to make that kickstand lap-friendly.
With high end specs, such device would absolutely kill the laptop as we know it, in every way.
16. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1536; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Well Folks within 2 weeks if it already has not happened Microsoft will send out it's Windows 8 Pro "Surface pro" to Internet tech site reviewers. I know the ones who will damn it Already because if they did not like the Windows "Surface RT" because of design reasons they wont like the Microsoft "Surface Pro" but I hope none of these reviewers Fail to point out that the Microsoft "Surface Pro" will run full desktop/laptop Windows 7, Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows NT and some windows 95/98 Programs in compatibility mode. This is why it will be a hit for a lot of People like myself who would want to use it to occasionally run our Old PC Desktop/laptop Programs. Folks there are Windows fans out there. they are not be as Kooky, vocal, or will stand in long lines to buy Windows products but they are out there and negative reviews of the "Surface pro will mean nothing to them because this Tablet will run full Windows programs and happens to be well built in a style that is uniquely it's own. Now if Microsoft sells it at the right price
man Oh man they will have a winner among us Windows fans. The Windows fans need
their Hero product. Android fans already have theirs, the Apple fans have their Ipad and Ipad Mini now the Windows fans have theirs which will probably be the "Surface Pro" tablet
computer how ever Dell, HP and Lenovo and others have some nice Windows 8 Tablets out there too!
17. gljvd (Posts: 1; Member since: 23 Dec 2012)
Currently I need to travel with a laptop and tablet. I use the tablet for light tasks like web surfing or watching movies and use the tablet for work. My laptop is about 3lbs and my tablet is 1.5 lbs. That brings me to 4.5lbs. A surface is less than 2 lbs so lets just call it 2lbs and the type keyboard weighs very little about .35 lbs. So I can shed a good 2 lbs off my travel requirements and reduce space. A dual core i5 is great for getting work done and the ocasional game. The hd 4000 will let me play source games and stuff like batman just fine and will blow through the metro games on the store.
I certianly don't see the surface pro selling as well as the ipad but I think for alot of people they need x86 for work and so it will sell well to those who travel alot for busniess and those who just want a more capable tablet.
Some of you guys say its two heavy or thick. But in all honesty .5lbs more than other tablets isn't much. Battery life should be about 5 hours of watching video and 8 hours of web surfing based on other i5 ulvs with similar battery sizes.
29. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
There is a whole market segment of people who are traveling and looking to lighten the load that gets hoisted on their shoulders. You see them at the frequent flyer lounges tethered to the electrical outlets as they recharge their batteries that have run down on the flight they just got off of. If they could trade their 4 to 5 lb. load for say a 1 to 1.5 lb. load and have the ability to do everything they are doing on their tablet + notebook, they would do it in a heartbeat. That is the opportunity in front of MS.
The big unknown is whether MS can pull it off.
30. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Forget the surface pro!
This is it!! :)
31. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1536; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
The surface pro will not be for everybody but there are still People who want a tablet that they can use to occasionally run full featured PC Desktop/Laptop on to do serious work
or play a PC game on. Lenovo, Dell , HP, and Samsung have cheaper Windows 8 and Windows 8 pro tablets for sale out there.The built in kick stand and design of the Microsoft
"Surface RT'' I saw on sale and used a little at staples was really cool and it has MS Office
software on it too so you can do something with it right out of the box. it has Netflix and Hula plus for TV and Movie viewing and other interesting Apps. if you do not have use full featured Desktop/laptop software it's not a bad tablet. the "Surface pro" is for People who do want to use full featured PC desktop/laptop software on a Tablet but they must understand that they will have use a mouse and keyboard to use windows 7, Vista, XP and windows 2000 and NT programs which were not designed to be used on a touch screen.because it's awkward to try to run them with a finger.