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MediaTek Helio X20 with deca-core CPU to hit the market next month; faster Helio X25 now official

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MediaTek Helio X20 with deca-core CPU to hit the market next month; faster Helio X25 now official
Just yesterday, we told you about an upcoming handset that will be the flagship model for a new smartphone brand. The Vernee Apollo is expected to be unveiled next month powered by the MediaTek Helio X20 SoC and its deca-core CPU. MediaTek confirmed today that devices carrying the Helio X20 will start hitting the market next month.

At a media event in Shenzhen today, MediaTek's co-COO and EVP Jeffrey Ju also introduced the slightly faster Helio X25 chipset. Instead of a clock speed of 2.3GHz for the Cortex-A72 high performance cluster found on the Helio X20, the clock speed is 2.5GHz on the Helio X25. Another change includes a hike from 780MHz to 850MHz for the Mali-T880 MP4 GPU used on the chip. The Helio X25 will be found exclusively on the unannounced Meizu Pro 6 for a few months before the SoC has a wider release.

Returning to the Helio X20 for a moment, its tri-cluster design allows it to use 30% less power than traditional dual-cluster chips. Computational power is 15% higher. Another feature of the Helio X20 is SilkSwipe, which improves touchscreen response. And MiraVision CrystalView offers smooth 120fps video.

The MediaTek Helio X20 and Helio X25 chipsets are competing with the Snapdragon 820 for the high-end of the market. As a study in contrast, MediaTek went for a deca-core CPU while Qualcomm reduced the number of cores from eight to four. The Snapdragon 820 employs a quad-core CPU that uses the company's home grown Kryo cores.


source: MediaTek via Engadget

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posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:01

1. S-R-K (banned) (Posts: 304; Member since: 15 Mar 2016)


This Cpu kick butts the S820 and E8890.
Even S820 and E8890 are not A72 cores. Still A57.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:09 5

2. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1384; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)


And the GPU? they were always on the weak side.

posted on 17 Mar 2016, 04:13

29. ibend (Posts: 3760; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


this chip use Mali-T880 MP4, while E8890 use Mali-T880 MP12.. there is a big gap between them (while SD820's GPU is even more better, lol)

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:15 2

4. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Exynos 8890's mongoose is a custom core built with Cortex-A57's Instruction Set Architecture, but not a Cortex-A57 core.

Mongoose is reportedly about 30% faster than the stock Cortex-A57 core.

You think the core's architecture is everything?

Is Helio X20 built on 14nm? The E8890 has twice the memory bandwith of the Helio X20 and Mali-T880MP12 vs MP4 in the Helio X20.

What about LTE Cat.12?

Helio X20/25 are both inferior to Exynos 8890 and Snapdragon 820.

Hands down.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 18:54 1

22. ThirdEye (Posts: 31; Member since: 31 Oct 2012)


No Helio X20 is built in 20nm TSMC process. Was surprised too as 20nm TSMC is not that great per Huawei and the reason the latest Kirin 950 was made in 16nm FinFET was because of the characteristics of the latter. Refer to Huawei Kirin 950 presentation from a while back.

Cortex A72 is 25%-30% better than a A57 core. MDTK alone has been wise in avoiding A57 and directly going to A72. Every other company tried the A57 and either went back to custom core or incorporated A72 later.

I am pissed off the MDTK went with the Deca Core marketing jargon. I wld have loved to see a 4xA72 + 2*A53 high frequency + 2*A53 Low frequency cluster and that would have been more equitable in competing with 820 and 8890 and kirin 950

posted on 17 Mar 2016, 01:03 2

26. vincelongman (Posts: 4150; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


"Exynos 8890's mongoose is a custom core built with Cortex-A57's Instruction Set Architecture"
Do you have a source for that?

But yea, the M1 are definitely faster than the A57

7420 vs 8890
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/5681199?baseline=5681383

820 vs 8890
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/5680579?baseline=5681383

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:31 1

6. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2193; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


Snapdragon 820 cores are faster than A72 cores. E8890 might not be but they are definitely faster than A57 cores.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:52

8. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Arch_Fiend

Is there any issue you have against me? You called me a dumbass in the S7 and S7 Edge Q&A article.

What is it, really? Because I do not recall to have said anything offensive against you.

Chill out, my dude!

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:01

9. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2193; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


I'm done messing with you so chill, you were acually right in your post #4. I guess you aren't such a dumbass after all huh lol.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:28

15. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)


you are both wrong lol

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 20:38

23. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2193; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


NAH...

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:42

16. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


I know how to counter-attack those who mess with me. But I chose not to, because this isn't the right site to do that.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:05 1

10. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)


nop, costum A72`s

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:16 1

13. OdysseasP (Posts: 63; Member since: 08 Aug 2014)


The Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 features four customised A72 Cryo cores, while the Samsung Exynos 8890 features four cystomised A72 Mongoose cores for the demanding applications and four A53 cores for the less deemanding appplications. The performance difference as far as the CPU is concerned is negligible, in comparison to the performance difference as far as the GPU is concerned. The Adreno 530 found on the Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 is about 50% faster than the GPU found on the Samsung Exynos 8890 which is one of the most powerfull GPUs found on a smartphone. Traditionally, the GPUs found on MediaTek SoCs aren't very powerfull. Considering the ever increasing importance of the GPU in the general performance of the SoC, this could be the factor that will determine which SoC is the best.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:23 2

14. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)


its not even 15% faster mate!(adreno 530) otherwise you are correct.
where did you get the 50% from? also the exynos Cpu is approx 25% faster than sd820.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:44

17. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Mongoose is a custom Coryex-A72???

Provide links please!

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 16:17 3

21. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)


A72 is modified A57. So modified A72 or A57 is saying the the same thing since the design is very similar.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:44

18. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Mongoose is a custom CORTEX-A72?

Provide links.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 15:48 2

20. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)


look at floating points and intergre on geekbench with 8890 and compare it with the kirin 950 A72`s..there is NO WAY the A57s can do that....ever..

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 23:11 1

25. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Do you really believe that A530 is 50% faster than Mali T880?

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:13 5

3. zeeBomb (Posts: 1834; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)


The GPU still ain't sh*t...

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:20

5. aman5mathur (Posts: 52; Member since: 28 Mar 2014)


To be called a "Flagship", yes it is.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:05

11. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2193; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


I'm pretty sure by aint s**t he was saying the GPU sucks. For example, if someone said you couldn't fight for s**t, meaning you suck lol.

If in fact he means the GPU doesn't suck(unlikely) Then you are right.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:50

19. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


zeeBomb alone can bedt explain what he really meant.

Lel.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 20:39

24. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2193; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


True.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 13:35 1

7. csoulr666 (Posts: 114; Member since: 04 Nov 2013)


The Achilles' Heel of Mediatek chipsets has almost always been the GPU. They are good, but cannot compete the likes of it's competition.

posted on 17 Mar 2016, 04:10

28. Guaire (Posts: 500; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)


People didn't realize that X20 gonna be a Snapdragon 650/652 competitor rather than being a SD820 competitor, costwise. Just like X10 has been a SD615 competitor.

Sure, Mediatek itself presented those chips as premium, but the market correctly understood what really X10 is (only except HTC).

Everything about the X20/X25 indicates that it isn't a high cost chip like SD820. No FinFET, no LPDDR4, no UFS, lack of top notch GPU and only 2 A72 cores (both means smaller die area).

Lowest price of a Snapdragon 820 phone from a reliable Chinese brand is 1999 yuan ($308). X20 phones probably will be low as 1499 yuan ($231) or even lower.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 14:07 2

12. Ordinary (Posts: 2203; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Hopefully this one is built on 16 or 14nm cause it could overheat easily on 20nm.

posted on 17 Mar 2016, 03:55

27. sceamgid (Posts: 23; Member since: 12 Nov 2015)


cortex a72>>>mongoose core , believe or not samsung forced m1 cores to work @ 2,6 ghz, so they can achieve single core and antutu scores close to sd820.cortex a72 can achieve this score@lower freq and it's built with 20 nm.

browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4631020​?baseline=5682590

posted on 17 Mar 2016, 04:14 2

30. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


The main question is efficiency. If A72 would have been really metter than M1 then Samsung would have used A72s.

posted on 17 Mar 2016, 04:18 1

31. ibend (Posts: 3760; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


even if it cant beat SD820 or E8890, its still fine if it can make 10h SoT possible, 240fps 720p recording, and 30fps+ for some heavy game at 1080p, (its for sub$400 phone afterall :-/ )

posted on 17 Mar 2016, 10:23

32. KingSam (Posts: 166; Member since: 13 Mar 2016)


Competing with 820 is marketing hype. That GPU can't push a quad HD. But to me this is for upper midrange 1080p at most. Other than the GPU it seems like a capable chip.

posted on 25 Apr 2016, 01:09

33. Tech-8816 (Posts: 19; Member since: 18 Apr 2016)


Hong Kong Global Resources Electronic Expo, Oukitel K6000 Premium also carries Helio x20 SoC and 6GB RAM.

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