HTC beats Apple, Samsung in smartphone shipments in the US, RIM collapses in Q3
1. abdane (Posts: 469; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
apple is 3rd ! LOOOL GO SAMSUNG AND HTC ! :D
3. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5148; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
RIM's market share evaporation doesn't surprise me. What o you expect when the best they can do for 'new' product lunches is something that was where Android was at back in 2010? A day late and a dollar short. Oh, and now RIM has problems with their 'new' phones with BBOS 7 bricking....
Now, the best that RIM can do is to send out a customer satisfaction survey?! At this rate, there on't be many customers to poll about their satisfaction - they will have left BB/RIM....
13. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I see so many parallels to the PC industry ca. 1990. You've got:
iPhone = Mac (duh)
Android = PC
- Motorola = IBM
- Samsung = HP
- HTC = Dell
RIM = Commodore
- BBX = Amiga
Things don't look so good for RIM in this analogy. Give them 3-4 years at most.
5. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Wow. Even Motorola is only two percent behind Apple. Considering that both Moto and HTC deal almost exclusively in smartphones now, I'd say these numbers are pretty damn impressive.
I'm not saying Apple didn't do well, by the way. I'm only remarking on how well everyone else is doing.
May I respectfully request that we keep the flaming down to a dull roar?
7. snowgator (Posts: 3149; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Flaming Sniggs? On Phone Arena? Perish the thought....
6. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5148; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
The real news is how badly RIM's market share evaporated. RIM's evaporation is what made everyone else's numbers look so good.
8. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
it is very urgent that apple spend all his money in lawsuits if not apple is going to be behind nokia
12. snowgator (Posts: 3149; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Okay ..... That is a little flaming ......
But Apple does need an iPhone 5 that really grabs attention this summer. They wiil be fine and extremely successful for the short term with the 4S.
9. snowgator (Posts: 3149; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I do wonder how much better Samsung would have done had they and the carriers had gotten the GS2 on the market at a decent time.
But I do agree with everyone else, and this statement is a big turnaround for me: RIM is done as a major consumer player. I still wouldn't bet against them as a corporation and government top option, but the high end, basic consumer base does not care about Blackberries. They have their 2 top dawgs in charge to directly thank for that.
10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5148; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
2011 is going to be the year that RIM succumbed to the Android (and to a lesser degree, iOS) onslaught. 2012 is going to be the year that Nokia comes into the crosshairs. If MS doesn't step up it's game with WP7, Nokia will see the same market share evaporation in 2012 that RIM is seeing in 2011. Mark my words.
15. terabyteRouser (Posts: 396; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Windows Phone is in no way remotely similar to Blackberry OS. That comparison is far-fetched. Microsoft has been making top-notch quality software for decades, one of which is world-renown operating systems. They will not fail when it comes to OSes. It may take a long time for them to become competitive. But from an engineering perspective and long-term competitiveness, it much more prudent to do everything right at a slower rate than to create poor engineering designs that you will have to fix in a hodgepodge manner later. The ending result is almost always superior to the rushed approach.
29. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5148; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
You are applying a PC-centric model to support your contentions. The world has moved way beyond PC-centric. If PC-centric applied, Apple would be locked into milking iTunes for everything it was worth and Google would be just a search engine company. The world has changed. You need to update your understanding of current technology and where MS fits into the new world.
WP7 is about 1 to 2 years behind the curve compared to Android. Android is seeing 1 million activations A DAY, while WP7 is struggling to get to 600,000 activations in A QUARTER. Nokia is not going to get WP7 into position to challenge Android. Maybe iOS, but not Android.
32. terabyteRouser (Posts: 396; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I was not applying a PC-centric model. I was applying a software development centric model. Microsoft has some of the best engineers in the world. Microsoft does not only make software for PCs. Microsoft makes software for video game development, Direct X, Visual Studio; cutting edge technology like Kinect and Microsoft Surface. The breadth of competent Microsoft software is immense. Microsoft started with the Xbox years after the first video game system was made. Are they still here?
11. ardent1 (Posts: 1968; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
That's for now. By the same time next year, the ZTE and Huawei et al will gain share at the expense of Samsung, HTC, and Motorola. Apple has a long term strategy and will continue to gain share as android becomes more commoditized. Samsung's Exhibit 2 is a $200 4G device meaning we will see more low price android devices over the next 12 months. It's going to be harder for HTC or Samsung or Motorola to justify their expensive handsets. It's going to be an ugly bloodbath for android OEMs.
16. terabyteRouser (Posts: 396; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Not if the carriers begin to collude on high-price fixation.
23. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
concidering Apple's marketshare has been all but stagnant, i fail to see where you have a point. Android is taking everyone else's market share. Apples has barely changed in 4 quarters. Eventually android will start taking from apple if the i5 doesnt present a large change from current models.
24. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Does this go hand in hand with your prediction that low cost prepaid carriers will completely take over, even though they couldn't survive without the high cost postpaid carriers who have actually built the networks the prepaids rely on?
38. ardent1 (Posts: 1968; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Sniggly, do you know why you constantly have your foot in your mouth?
If a major carrier like Verizon is offering $50 a month prepaid plans for unlimited everything, that is because Verizon has to compete for customers. Prepaid plans are now becoming very compelling offers versus contract plans.
If the network carriers could make money of their exisiting customers, then they wouldn't have to lease the network to the tracfones of the world. But don't tell Sniggly.
One more thing, if you checked the data, the low cost prepaid plans are continuing to taking share, which is exactly what I am predicting. In the next 12 months, you will see cheaper android phones in the prepaid market and that will increase penetration. Right now, android phones in the prepaid market costs as little as $100.
39. gallitoking (Posts: 4623; Member since: 17 May 2011)
thank you that was lovely......(standing ovation).. clap clap clap
"Sniggly, do you know why you constantly have your foot in your mouth?"
42. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its not about "having to lease".. its about having "tons of spectrum and noone using it". its also about "not losing potential customers". Technically most postpaid style companies do not like prepaids. its part of the business that they can not control and predict future growth and revenues on because its constantly in flux.
I remember working at VZW and how much they put the screws on the reps to keep the churn obnoxiously low. Prepay was only there so they didnt lose a potential sale to someone else. It wasnt pushed, and it was generally relegated to a back corner of the store. Heck, it was a "big deal" when VZW finally gave reps the ability to activate a pre purchased phone on a plan without forcing a contract.
Sprint has a huge network and wide swaths of spectrum that go mostly unused because the network was built to handle many more customers than they currently have. Sprint sells off to prepaid companys so that they can get a ROI on all that spectrum and all of its operating costs. Do they make money on them? Sure, absolutely.. but its nothing to write home about compared to what they make per contract customer.
14. tra101 (Posts: 1; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
lol htc still has to pay apple 5$ for every handset sold. im no apple fan an i find that pretty funny
18. androidsbiggestfan (Posts: 76; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Yes, it is Microsoft, I love when people post when they don't know what they're talking about! =/
19. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
What I don't get about HTC, they produce smartphones only, and you'd think they could spend a lot more time and resources optimizing Sense UI for the underpowered S3 chip. Samsung's Touchwiz is smoother than Sense and its mobile division is far smaller then HTC.
20. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
This is quite sad considering RIM has been putting a lot of effort into expanding their App store and making their devices smoother.
The Playbook had everything, great screen, great CPU, good camera and great multitasking.
If it was bigger and of it had more apps it would have been a better success.
25. gallitoking (Posts: 4623; Member since: 17 May 2011)
my biggest surprise is RIM... Q4 will be Apple... for sure.. and HTC right behind
26. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Q4 will be
Apple, with samsung right on their heels, and then HTC. samsung has the US release of the SGS2 on 3 carriers, the nexus prime, and whatever else. Nothing in HTC's portfolio is anywhere near as hot at the moment.
40. gallitoking (Posts: 4623; Member since: 17 May 2011)
correction Samsung will be a close second.... agree with remix for once...
27. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
Lol HTC and Samsung beating Apple clear. And Apple has legal spats with both of them, and with Motorola too. Maybe next year will be RIM's turn to be sued by Apple lol
31. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5148; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"Maybe next year will be RIM's turn to be sued by Apple"
I doubt RIM will be much of a threat to either Android or iOS. RIM is basically a zombie.
35. roscuthiii (Posts: 1658; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Zombies?! Oh no!!! The zombiepocalypse really is here!
RIM needs to do something if they want to stay afloat as a company. Given Nokia's example, might 2012 herald the announcement of a RIM WP7 and/or Android phone?
They may have to...
30. Immolate (Posts: 235; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
Apple will do better in the 4th quarter without a doubt, but I expect that it will be their high water mark in the smartphone world. We can expect them to slowly but inexorably wane to their normal 10-15% niche status unless someone in Apple gets their hands on something revolutionary. At least they'll still be able to kick RIM around.
33. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5148; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Meh. Move your timeline out a year or two - 2013/2014 will be when iOS has to defend itself from encroachment by Android. I predict that 2012 will be the year that Nokia gets the RIM experience. There was erosion in Nokia's install base in 2011, but not on the scale that RIM's install base disappeared. IMO, 2012 will when Nokia's install base really goes south.
34. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Apple is falling off the tree and everyone knows what happens to an Apple when it falls off the tree......
My surprise with this article is that HTC surpassed Samsung. While I was a big fan of HTC in the past, some of the more recent disappointments like the Thunderbolt made me wonder about their future.
41. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Everyone's so damn eager to proclaim Apple dead. It's not going to happen. Apple still sells Macbooks even though there are many many cheaper and more capable choices out there. Apple has made itself an icon of American tech and will not go quietly.
Now that Jobs is no longer holding the company on a short leash, I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing changes to their iPhone strategy. They don't need to sell 10 different versions, but they should be better able to shift with the market and keep competing. They'll never be #1 (I had to laugh at the 4S presentation slides that insinuated they just had to work harder to dominate the market), but they'll always be a formidable presence.
36. roscuthiii (Posts: 1658; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Good job HTC... I did not see this coming at all. I do like your phones but I was starting to worry.
37. twocentsonrim (Posts: 1; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
From speaking to a rep of RIM the feeling so nothing official of course is BBX(QNX) is pushing to new equipment all the while they are trying to tie themselfs in with android app market with some sort of porting of android apps to Blackberry.
Looks like Blackberry is trying to become some spin off of Android with apps. So new Blackberrys are looking like duel core 1.2 and 1 gig of ram, 16 gig internal with most of Android app market avalilable all the while keeping better security and giving Enterprize server access for up to 300 phones for free(limited of course) where IT can have full control over phones.
I don't think they will go quietly from the biz area which will flow over to reg customers as it did when they started.
Keep in mind none of the new phones are part of these numbers and RIM was coasting without any releases other than at&t torch if I remember corectly.
My point if anyone is still reading is this is not the death blow it seems to be.