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Apple v. Samsung jurors are told not to update devices or load apps during deliberation

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Apple v. Samsung jurors are told not to update devices or load apps during deliberation
Those sitting on the jury for the Apple v. Samsung trial will be given a number of different devices to try during deliberations. Judge Koh has ordered the jurors not to update any of those devices that are sent into the jury room. Nor is any jury member allowed to install an app on any phone or tablet being examined by the jury. The devices, considered evidence, are being provided to the jury without SIM cards

"The physical devices you received are evidence in this trial. You may use them in your deliberations, and may connect to the Internet through the Web browser application, but must not alter or modify the devices in any way. Koh said jurors are not allowed to insert SIM cards into the devices, if included with the packaging, but may connect to the court's Wi-Fi network to access the Internet. Once connected, you must decline any software update notifications that may be presented to you. You also must not download any content, such as apps, music, photographs, or games, to the devices."-Judge Lucy Koh.
The reason for Judge Koh's warning to the jury makes sense. She fears that if any of the devices being used for evidence are updated or changed in any way by a jury member, it could affect the way a device works and how it looks. Since part of the case revolves around infringement of design patents including icons, updating the devices could change what a juror sees and believes. While the jury won't be allowed to install SIM cards to use on the devices while deliberating , they are allowed to connect to the internet via the court's Wi-Fi network as long as they are not watching news about the trial.

Judge Koh told the jury that if they see a screen on any device offering a system update, they must decline it by selecting "install later" or by pressing the home or back button.

Jury deliberation will begin Wednesday, but their decision might not be the end of the case. Both sides have been taking notes of decisions made by Judge Koh that could be the basis of an appeal.

source: PCWorld via SlashGear

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posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:06 8

1. tedkord (Posts: 3921; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Finally, getting to play with tech. The reward at the end of a long, drawn out, boring and often silly court case.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:17 13

5. Aeires (unregistered)


This is where Samsung's big displays will really shine.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:11 1

2. gallitolimitededition (banned) (Posts: 18; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


the good thing about Apple is that none of their devices uses a sim card.. or use OTA updates..I could be wrong , but since my iphone needs its BFF.. the cable..

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:28 9

6. blazee (Posts: 240; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


iphones do have sim cards, but what is the good thing about a phone not having a sim card or OTA updates?

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:37 1

8. gallitolimitededition (banned) (Posts: 18; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


just thinking about not haing to worry about the removable sim cards.. is a good thing..

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:41

37. phitch (Posts: 214; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


iPhones have SIM cards what about that aren't you understanding? Wait, do you actually have an iPhone?

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:32 12

7. johnbftl (Posts: 163; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


Ummm, all of Apple's devices use sim cards. The iPhone, iPhone 3g, and iPhone 3gs all have a standard sim tray located on top in the middle. The 4, 4s, and all iterations of the iPad have a micro sim located on the right side toward the top. For someone that runs their mouth about Apple as much as you do, one would think you would know those facts. I don't even own an iPhone and I know that. Shows how much the average Apple consumer knows about the products they own.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:38 4

9. gallitolimitededition (banned) (Posts: 18; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


I am sorry I was reading another article that forgot to mention the word removable, sorry for the confusion

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:53 8

11. johnbftl (Posts: 163; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


Still wrong, they're all removable. All you need is a safety pin to push the tray open.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:56 2

12. gallitolimitededition (banned) (Posts: 18; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


yes I have recently learne from here. I havent remove it myself.. and neither have remove my spare tire in my car.. go figure...

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:58 2

14. crankyd00d (Posts: 191; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Hmm cards are removable/portable by definition, otherwise it would be just a SIM, not a SIM card :-)
Just sayin'

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:51 2

10. skymitch89 (Posts: 983; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)


The CDMA variant of the iPhone 4 doesn't have SIM cards. I have a friend that was given a Verizon iPhone 4 from his boss. He's not that big on technology, and that's how I knew what iPhone he had without having to look at anything about software.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:24

24. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Not all apple devices , just the iPhone and 3G/4g iPads with the exception of the Verizon iPhone 4

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 20:20 5

15. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i could have sworn iOS5 allowed OTA updates. hmmm...?

sure the sim cards are removable, you just need a pin to push the button to eject it.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:13 1

18. JessJess (unregistered)


It does indeed.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:56 4

19. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Gallito, if you've been banned on your main account, how the hell have you not been banned on this one yet?

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 23:00 4

21. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


he's been pretty good with his new account. So far I've only known one person to get auto caught trying to use a different account. pretty much every other person that has been banned has made multiple accounts to get around it.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 23:11 4

22. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I was told after two posts that I wasn't allowed to use a second account period and my second account was summarily banned.

I just f**king hate double standards.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:25 4

25. PhoneArena Team (Posts: 238; Member since: 27 Jun 2006)


it would have been better if you reported this, instead of cursing...

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:29 3

28. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Dear phonearena , do you think we are a couple of 5th graders that report to the teacher every time you see your classmates do something wrong ?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 09:02

49. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


Very good question!

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:34 2

30. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Okay, I'll do that next time.

I mean, it's not like I actually want anyone banned in the first place, but if I'm going to be told there's absolutely no way *I* can't post for a week because I use certain wording, I want to know you guys are consistent.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:37 1

33. tedkord (Posts: 3921; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Sniggly, when you got caught circumventing your ban, was the ban on your initial amount extended? Are we going to be without Gallito even longer?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:52

39. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


No, I was allowed to post again exactly seven days after my ban began, much to my relief. It's hard not being able to reply to the stupid and set the record straight.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:03

46. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


it was pretty quiet without taco & gallito here to keep pissing everyone off. pretty relaxing week.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:27

27. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Sniggly , it's easy to get around this , just use a different name and different picture and be nice to everyone . It works for me

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:30

29. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Remix , is that 1 person taco ?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:01

44. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


nah, it wasnt taco.. at least it didnt used to be. last time he was banned for a long period he had something like 7 side accounts banned because he could never hide who he was for very long. If he was around this time, he was hiding it much better.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:51

48. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


he use different names right ?
I guess he is no longer a young reckless teenager like me . He grew up and got smart

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:26 1

26. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


You are an idiot

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:35 1

31. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


"Sniggly , it's easy to get around this , just use a different name and different picture and be nice to everyone . It works for me"

In light of the comment I am responding to, this is ironic. :D

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:36 1

35. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Galito is such as idiot . I don't think he ever owned any apple device but if he don't own the iPhone why is he such as apple fan ?

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:40 1

36. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


He bought an iPad. He became a snob pretty much right after that.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:54

41. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Oh , apple don't use sim card just because my iPod nano doesnt have it , f**k logic !

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:42 1

38. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Your avatar goes EXCELLENTLY with your comment.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 04:53 1

40. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Yeah my account was banned after typing out that middle finger so now I got smart and just upload that photo

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:17 1

42. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


xD Win.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:02

45. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you have an obsession with the middle finger, dont you? lol

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:49

47. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


yeah , i am 17 , what do you expect ?

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:12

3. mercorp (Posts: 954; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


Fair enough,Judge.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:14 2

4. sinple (Posts: 87; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)


i hope the jury is able to tell that samsung phone has a home screen unlike ip

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:57 1

13. ricodroid (Posts: 16; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


idk ... i would like to laugh when reading this .. like (really ... is this whole thing real .. it sounds like a child fight in the elemntary school)

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 20:21 5

16. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no updates! you cant see what android and touchwiz actually look like! you can only see what it USED to look like!! lol.

What would be funny, is if that rule didnt exist, and tomorrow we wake up to the news that all SGS1, SGS2 and SGS3 devices are updated to vanilla ICS lol

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 22:43

50. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


It would be nice to see my dad's old galaxy s1 getting ics

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 20:29 1

17. jgcaap (Posts: 35; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)


the judge should rule samsung to update all their devices to jelly bean. And apple should pay for those updates :D Would be awsome for galaxian users. hehe

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 22:09

20. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)


keep dreaming -.-

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 05:21

43. jgcaap (Posts: 35; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)


was a nice dream...

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 01:44

23. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 664; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


This will be interesting, what Android version are the devices in question using? 2.3.4 or 4.0.4?

The screen sizes, widgets and plastic build could really help Samsung in this case, the moment you fire up that homescreen its clear they look nothing like iPhones.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:35

32. tedkord (Posts: 3921; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Seriously, the only phone you could make a half convincing argument about is the original Galaxy S. After that, there's just no way you can honestly say Samsung phones look like the iPhone.

They named the Droid Charge, for Christ's sake. That looks nothing like an iPhone, with its round bottom.

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:45

34. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


jury is not allowed to update those samsung devices to a new software. i guess there are really no exception from the andorid update program! LOL

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