Samsung making progress on producing a fingerprint reader embedded under a phone's display

Samsung making progress on producing a fingerprint reader embedded under a phone's display
Thanks to the Infinity Display employed on the Samsung Galaxy S8, Samsung Galaxy S8+ and the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, there is no room for a front-facing fingerprint scanner on these models. The manufacturer tried to have the biometric reader embedded under the display, but the technology was too complex to get this done. Instead, the fingerprint scanner was placed near the rear-facing camera on all three models.

Despite recent reports stating that Android manufacturers are now focusing on facial recognition instead of a display embedded fingerprint scanner, Samsung is not giving up on putting the scanner under the front glass. KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo sent a note to clients today in which he reiterated an earlier prediction he made back in August. At that time, Kuo said that the 2018 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 would be Sammy's first phone to sport a fingerprint scanner embedded under the display.

According to someone who has seen Kuo's note dated today, the analyst says that there are four companies seeking Samsung's business for an under-glass fingerprint scanner. The four firms are Synaptics, BeyondEyes, Samsung subsidiary Samsung LSI and Egis. While the latter supplies Samsung with standard fingerprint scanners, BeyondEyes and Samsung LSI have already passed along samples to Samsung; those two are considered the front runners to supply Samsung with the technology.

Kuo now sees the under-glass fingerprint scanner as a placeholder until Samsung develops its own version of Face ID. While Samsung does have an iris scanner that can be used to unlock its flagship models, it does not use 3D sensing and 2D can easily be tricked by photos and other methods.

source: BusinessInsiders



29. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

"While Samsung does have an iris scanner that can be used to unlock its flagship models, it does not use 3D sensing and 2D can easily be tricked by photos and other methods." It seems you are confused as to the difference between face recognition and the Iris Scanner. Your eyes physically are not 3D. Meaning unlike you face, you eye sit flat in your face, so thus a 3D sensor would not even work. Face recognition doesn't need 3D sensing to work, as many Android phones have the feature. You cannot spoof the face recognition with a photo. It's already been proven, that the phone that the person uploaded a video in Best Buy showing him unlock the display with a photo, was a phone in demo mode. It cannot be unlocked with a photo. Before you post your fake facts, you should actually go and read the facts about how bio-metrics works. If this was the case, then the US Gov't would not use facial recognition, because anyone could get access to things they shouldn't with just a photo. Twins? Obviously a person who has an identical twin, they can unlock such. Duh! They look exactly alike. Nothing is a accurate as the present FPS and Samsung doesn't need some gimmicky, less accurate option.

28. darkkjedii

Posts: 31817; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Bring it Sammy.

27. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

I honestly don't see the benefit in this. Compare. How is the under the screen sensor gonna work? We use our phones 100's of time sin a day. We literally do thousands of touches in a day. The screen near the bottom will be covered with prints from mostly typing and other gestures. How is the sensor gonna read your print, with tons of other dirty prints all over the screen? Will we have to constantly wipe the screen for it to work? They already have a solution that works. Maybe the placement is because of the wireless charging coil on the back of the phone, leaving no space for the FPS. Notice how the Pixel's, LG V series and other phones with rear mounted FPS, don't have wireless charging support. Am sure that's not coincidence. FPS only has 3 points of failure, dirty fingers, moisture and dryness/wrinkles. Iris Scanners, face recognition all have several points of failure. Shadows, to much light, expressions, skin color and more all cause those types of options to fail. Samsung, let's just keep what works.

25. hamaidx

Posts: 100; Member since: Apr 28, 2015

Well... long time cumming !!!

22. RoyalMike unregistered

As I said samsung won't give up on inbuilt fingerprint scanner. It'll continue delivering the best experience in a smartphone

19. cnour

Posts: 2305; Member since: Sep 11, 2014

As ususal, if Samsung does it first it will with a plenty of lags and autorestarts. Samsung, wait Apple and then imitate it. Do what you always did, following Apple.

20. iushnt

Posts: 3191; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

It’s Apple who follows not the other way round.

24. tedkord

Posts: 17544; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Were you asleep the past five years? During that time, Samsung has done the leading, Apple the following. They'll crack this in display FPS, and Apple will copy it.

32. ShaikhJGI

Posts: 361; Member since: Jan 10, 2014

Exactly. Even in Iris scanner it was well 13months ahead of Apple (considering you need to keep your eyes open to unlock iPhone X) so Apple is doing the catch-up here. And Samsung is just an update away with implying those studio portraits & stuff because technology is already there but may be it is just working on a better one with S9.

15. tedkord

Posts: 17544; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

I doubt it's a placeholder. I suspect if Samsung does incorporate 3D facial tech, it'll be in addition to the in-display FPS. They realize we want options.

11. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1493; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

If they manage to embed a full-size fingerprint scanner in the screen it would be more secure than Face ID. Current FPS only use about 1/6th of a fingerprint to confirm the identity of the user. A full one would be 1 out of 64 million, so way more reliable than Face ID.

7. worldpeace

Posts: 3135; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

CES 2018 will be interesting with in this subject, Some manufacturers probably showcasing their on-screen FPscanner prototype, or even finished products :D

9. exynosOcta

Posts: 1; Member since: Oct 09, 2017

CES 2016 Qualcomm showcased the super Sonic fingerprint ...

16. worldpeace

Posts: 3135; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

Right, but at that time the scanner is under glass, not screen.. At MWC 2016 qualcomm show on-screen FPscanner (as in VIVO Xplay6) but it's slow and not always work

6. HansP

Posts: 542; Member since: Oct 16, 2011

The fake news posted yesterday was debunked, so let's try a new angle....

2. MrShazam

Posts: 987; Member since: Jun 22, 2017

"While Samsung does have an iris scanner that can be used to unlock its flagship models, it does not use 3D sensing and 2D can easily be tricked by photos and other methods." Very misleading. The iris scanner can't be tricked by merely a photo, you guys even wrote an article showing it requires more than just a photo:

3. JMartin22

Posts: 2429; Member since: Apr 30, 2013

This site is very unprofessional

4. izim1

Posts: 1622; Member since: Feb 04, 2013

I didnt even look at the "author" of this piece, but my money is on Alan F. Edit: how sad is it that his "work" is easily recognizable? He's achieved the level of both the chrises from bgr, when it comes to recognizable garbage. Maybe he's shooting for a job over there? Anyway, as is his M.O. expect him to come on here and explain how you're wrong and he's right by only quoting the part about using the photo, while completely leaving out the part about needing a contact lense to simulate the 3d part for the scanner.

13. phonefanboy

Posts: 51; Member since: Oct 06, 2011

Alan a fakkit

26. Darckent

Posts: 101; Member since: Sep 17, 2016

T this site spreads the most lies when it comes to any phone that isn't an iPhone Iris scanner cannot be fooled by a picture And face id is a stop gap till apple copy under screen FPS as we all know they wanted it but technology wasn't right yet This site gets worse daily it's really unprofessional

1. Medoogalaxy

Posts: 232; Member since: May 25, 2017

I use IRIS SCANNER so fast and secure on my Note8, but im so excited to see this technolog !

5. Pitrich

Posts: 239; Member since: Apr 13, 2016

I just use the regular face unlock. That's secure enough for my needs.

8. youssef44

Posts: 547; Member since: Apr 29, 2014

they can use any picture of you and your phone will unlock !! maybe a picture from facebook

10. AxelFoley unregistered

- the pucture has to be printed on a Samsung laser printer. - has to be a daylight photo taken in night mode - then have a contact lense placed over the photo - then thw photo has to have the eyes line up So, you're close when you say a photo from facebook...not really

14. worldpeace

Posts: 3135; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

17. MrShazam

Posts: 987; Member since: Jun 22, 2017

Not sure how it was setup in the following video, but the facial recognition did unlock with a picture @3:25: Not the Iris scanner though.

21. worldpeace

Posts: 3135; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

And you didn't even watch 10 seconds after that unlock? @3:34 he said (and showed) that there's a setting to prevent note8 unlock by picture

23. MrShazam

Posts: 987; Member since: Jun 22, 2017

He showed the setting, but didn't demo if it actually made a difference or not.

30. uncle_gadget

Posts: 1050; Member since: Sep 20, 2017

The face recognition has a setting called "faster recognition". Maybe if the phone has this on, it lets secure? It is off by default. The fact is, yes it can be spoofed likely if you have the right kind of photo and its maybe big enough. Like maybe if it was printed with a laser printer or something fancier. But just some everyday photo? No! Also, if someone steals your phone, what are the chances they have a photo of you? Unless its someone you know, what is there to worry about? Fingerprint scanners can be bypassed too. On the iPhone the FPS was bypassed with hours of the phone release. When a thief wants something, all they need is time. You eyes can't be spoofed, because the Iris Scanner is getting a digital string of you eyes and its as unique as your finger. Even identical twins can use the Iris Scanner. I think it should go without saying, that if you have a twin then its obvious if they are identical and you share the majority of the same facial features, they can unlock your phone. Again though, what are the chances they will? How many people in the world have a identical twin?

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