Samsung making progress on producing a fingerprint reader embedded under a phone's display
by Alan Friedman / Oct 09, 2017, 5:44 PM
Despite recent reports stating that Android manufacturers are now focusing on facial recognition instead of a display embedded fingerprint scanner, Samsung is not giving up on putting the scanner under the front glass. KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo sent a note to clients today in which he reiterated an earlier prediction he made back in August. At that time, Kuo said that the 2018 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 would be Sammy's first phone to sport a fingerprint scanner embedded under the display.
According to someone who has seen Kuo's note dated today, the analyst says that there are four companies seeking Samsung's business for an under-glass fingerprint scanner. The four firms are Synaptics, BeyondEyes, Samsung subsidiary Samsung LSI and Egis. While the latter supplies Samsung with standard fingerprint scanners, BeyondEyes and Samsung LSI have already passed along samples to Samsung; those two are considered the front runners to supply Samsung with the technology.
Kuo now sees the under-glass fingerprint scanner as a placeholder until Samsung develops its own version of Face ID. While Samsung does have an iris scanner that can be used to unlock its flagship models, it does not use 3D sensing and 2D can easily be tricked by photos and other methods.
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I use IRIS SCANNER so fast and secure on my Note8, but im so excited to see this technolog !
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 5:53 PM 13
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I just use the regular face unlock. That's secure enough for my needs.
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 6:39 PM 1
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- the pucture has to be printed on a Samsung laser printer. - has to be a daylight photo taken in night mode - then have a contact lense placed over the photo - then thw photo has to have the eyes line up So, you're close when you say a photo from facebook...not really
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 7:41 PM 6
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The face recognition has a setting called "faster recognition". Maybe if the phone has this on, it lets secure? It is off by default. The fact is, yes it can be spoofed likely if you have the right kind of photo and its maybe big enough. Like maybe if it was printed with a laser printer or something fancier. But just some everyday photo? No! Also, if someone steals your phone, what are the chances they have a photo of you? Unless its someone you know, what is there to worry about? Fingerprint scanners can be bypassed too. On the iPhone the FPS was bypassed with hours of the phone release. When a thief wants something, all they need is time. You eyes can't be spoofed, because the Iris Scanner is getting a digital string of you eyes and its as unique as your finger. Even identical twins can use the Iris Scanner. I think it should go without saying, that if you have a twin then its obvious if they are identical and you share the majority of the same facial features, they can unlock your phone. Again though, what are the chances they will? How many people in the world have a identical twin?
posted on Oct 10, 2017, 9:10 AM 0
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Samsung actually gives an option to make face lock more secure. if you go to face recognition setting there is an option called Faster recognition. If its on, its less secure but faster. If its off, it clearly states that it will be more secure and makes it harder to unlock using and image or video. I dont know why any reviewers or users point this option out when the topic of face unlock is discussed on samsung phones.
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 11:32 PM 2
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Because the reviewers on IPA don't know how to use Samsung phones. And they are here mostly to attack Samsung phones for things that are equal on others. But they specifically hate Samsung because they want or are gettign something from Apple.
posted on Oct 10, 2017, 9:11 AM 0
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"While Samsung does have an iris scanner that can be used to unlock its flagship models, it does not use 3D sensing and 2D can easily be tricked by photos and other methods." Very misleading. The iris scanner can't be tricked by merely a photo, you guys even wrote an article showing it requires more than just a photo: https://www.phonearena.com/new
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 6:00 PM 23
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This site is very unprofessional
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 6:04 PM 26
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I didnt even look at the "author" of this piece, but my money is on Alan F. Edit: how sad is it that his "work" is easily recognizable? He's achieved the level of both the chrises from bgr, when it comes to recognizable garbage. Maybe he's shooting for a job over there? Anyway, as is his M.O. expect him to come on here and explain how you're wrong and he's right by only quoting the part about using the photo, while completely leaving out the part about needing a contact lense to simulate the 3d part for the scanner.
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 6:30 PM 14
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T this site spreads the most lies when it comes to any phone that isn't an iPhone Iris scanner cannot be fooled by a picture And face id is a stop gap till apple copy under screen FPS as we all know they wanted it but technology wasn't right yet This site gets worse daily it's really unprofessional
posted on Oct 10, 2017, 6:30 AM 2
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CES 2018 will be interesting with in this subject, Some manufacturers probably showcasing their on-screen FPscanner prototype, or even finished products :D
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 7:17 PM 0
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CES 2016 Qualcomm showcased the super Sonic fingerprint ...
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 7:38 PM 0
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If they manage to embed a full-size fingerprint scanner in the screen it would be more secure than Face ID. Current FPS only use about 1/6th of a fingerprint to confirm the identity of the user. A full one would be 1 out of 64 million, so way more reliable than Face ID.
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 7:59 PM 0
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As ususal, if Samsung does it first it will with a plenty of lags and autorestarts. Samsung, wait Apple and then imitate it. Do what you always did, following Apple.
posted on Oct 09, 2017, 11:44 PM 0
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Were you asleep the past five years? During that time, Samsung has done the leading, Apple the following. They'll crack this in display FPS, and Apple will copy it.
posted on Oct 10, 2017, 1:03 AM 3
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Exactly. Even in Iris scanner it was well 13months ahead of Apple (considering you need to keep your eyes open to unlock iPhone X) so Apple is doing the catch-up here. And Samsung is just an update away with implying those studio portraits & stuff because technology is already there but may be it is just working on a better one with S9.
posted on Oct 10, 2017, 9:55 AM 0
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I honestly don't see the benefit in this. Compare. How is the under the screen sensor gonna work? We use our phones 100's of time sin a day. We literally do thousands of touches in a day. The screen near the bottom will be covered with prints from mostly typing and other gestures. How is the sensor gonna read your print, with tons of other dirty prints all over the screen? Will we have to constantly wipe the screen for it to work? They already have a solution that works. Maybe the placement is because of the wireless charging coil on the back of the phone, leaving no space for the FPS. Notice how the Pixel's, LG V series and other phones with rear mounted FPS, don't have wireless charging support. Am sure that's not coincidence. FPS only has 3 points of failure, dirty fingers, moisture and dryness/wrinkles. Iris Scanners, face recognition all have several points of failure. Shadows, to much light, expressions, skin color and more all cause those types of options to fail. Samsung, let's just keep what works.
posted on Oct 10, 2017, 8:10 AM 0
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