Samsung's facial recognition tech needs "four to five years" to become safe enough for mobile payments


Samsung's facial recognition technology which debuted on the Galaxy S8/S8+ will need more than four years to become secure enough for mobile transactions. Speaking to The Korea Herald, a source from Samsung said that high-level security actions are not suitable for the authentication method, as the technology still has some maturing to do:


Facial recognition isn't all that new of a feature. It has been available to Android devices since 2011 when it premiered with the Ice Cream Sandwich version of the OS under the name of "Face Unlock". Back then, the feature was denounced as being unreliable and prone to vulnerabilities, but Samsung has managed to revive it with its latest flagships by making the authentication process extremely fast and convenient.

The official stance of the Seoul-based manufacturer is that facial recognition currently only serves as a quick method to unlock the phone. The company freely admits that it has a lower security level compared to the iris and fingerprint scanning technologies. A Samsung spokesperson was quoted saying:


However, experts do agree that the ease and speed of use of facial and voice identification methods will make them the core biometric solutions of the future. The former are simply predisposed to become more common, as they don't require dedicated hardware components to work. Virtually every smartphone of today comes with a microphone and a selfie camera, while iris and fingerprint scanners aren't so broadly employed and add to the cost of production. 

source: The Investor

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1. razmahtaz001

Posts: 501; Member since: May 11, 2013

how do u know needs four to five years? LOL

6. Cat97

Posts: 1933; Member since: Mar 02, 2017

When you don't know anything about math, statistics, machine learning and educated guesses based on deep industry knowledge, all you can can say is...LOL :)

10. Export

Posts: 98; Member since: Apr 24, 2017

With all of those factors in play, this is Samsung we are talking about. Red screens out of box, half assed voice assistant on release, etc. I would not trust it on release.

13. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

"Red screens out of box" Is Samsung's handset the only one to have a flaw out of the box? The Google Pixel, the LG G4 and Apple iPhone 4 and 6 all had hardware flaws out of the box, no? How about cars and other gadgets too who have had flaws on release? "half assed voice assistant on release," That's because it is still beta. Apple's Siri and Google's Now were half-assed on release too, because they were in a beta form, but they got better with time... So what's your pointless point? SMH

16. Export

Posts: 98; Member since: Apr 24, 2017

Thank you, you proved my "pointless point." My ending statement was I would not trust facial recognition for mobile payments on release, regardless if it was Apple, LG or Samsung.

35. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Its a new technology. SO it should go without saying. That's what your fingers an eyes are for. They are more secure. Talking about a less secure method is just dumb. Are you one of these PA writers being a poster too? Because they are very stupid. How about you be less like them. Unless you are...like them?

38. Export

Posts: 98; Member since: Apr 24, 2017

I am in no way affiliated with PA, I've actually been browsing this site for over a year and just felt like commenting on a bunch of stuff today, you and Trojan_horse I always see as the most active.

30. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Trojan_horse apple and samsung device have the highest % of out of the box flaw of any OEM we sell at Telus in Canada. As for Samsung assistant we would had no issue if its was not forced on us as we cannot remap the key to a more polished one.

36. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

They also make the most phones...DO THE MATH. How many phones does LG make and sell in a year? Probably all their models combine for less than 10M. Apple and Samsung sell 10M phones in a manner of minutes. STOP being clueless. MORE PHONES EQUAL MORE ISSUES...This shyte must be rocket science!? Guess what? When car companies only made 100,000 a year,, they had less quality issues. Now that many fo them make 1M+ cares per year, they have more issue. Do you own a car? If so, how many times have you Google to see how many times your model had a recall in its lifespan? The Ford F150 is the top selling pickup truck. I can bet you $1M dollars, it also has had the most recalls.

42. iushnt

Posts: 3122; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

Because only Apple and Samsung sell so much.

14. Tarox

Posts: 114; Member since: Feb 17, 2015

you sir are what society calls an idiot^^

34. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Siri was a half-assed asiistant on release. iPhoen having yellowish screens out the box. You act as if products arent suppose to have issues?! Color calibration is a ocmmon issue with displays. Usually settign them to factory default solves th issue. But smartphoen displays dont have that, becaus ethey are calibrated during production and the calibration is handled by the software. So an update is needed to fix. But a phone having a simple issue, isnt a quality control issue. I'm curious, when your phone of choice has problems right after a release, do you say the same BS? Because if you dont then you're a hypocrite. What phone do you use? I am positive I can Google and find it had an issue right out the box after a mass release. You wanna place a bet on that? Put your money where you mouth is. In fact I am pretty sure you use an iPhone...right? So is it not a fact that EVERY SINGLE iPhone model had issues, right out the box? The Pixel had issues right out the box. :LG has had boot loop issues right pout the box. iPhones have had conenctivitity issues and UI issues, right out the box. iPhone 7 caught fire, right out the box. PA posted a article just a few weeks ago. A woman had just bought n iPhone 6S brand new and it caught fire in the same week...isn't that right out the box? Please don't be a troll. Don't turn a blind eye to the fact all tech toys have issues even in a new product. At least Samsung doesn't blame us for them. You guys who use other brands of phones always have ot be dicks to other peoples phones. WhyTF do you care about an issue someone else phone has that you don''t even own or plan to buy? I hit up Samsung and apple because I own both. I dont speak of issues when other OEM's have them because I dont own their phone. Even issue doesn't effect every person, so whats the big deal...?

37. Export

Posts: 98; Member since: Apr 24, 2017

I wasn't trolling if I was trolling you would know, this would be a troll "Well idk Samsungs Note 7 exploded so now I look like deadpool the last thing I want is their iris scanner laser beaming my eyes out and I turn into Cyclops."

26. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

MIcrosoft's windows hello is already ready. It's just too bulky to put in phones. If they could shrink it and sell it to other manufacturers that would rock. Even twins couldn't bypass in independent studies.

2. Danini1112

Posts: 70; Member since: Jun 22, 2013

You talking about "Facial Recognition" but you take an image of "Iris Recognition"...propaganda or incompetent here. I don't know

7. Bankz

Posts: 2550; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

They're probably just paranoid about the upcoming advanced 3d sensing facial recognition tech in the Iphone Edition tbh (which will be incoperated under the screen).. God, that phone will have so much new tech.

8. Bankz

Posts: 2550; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

Along with dual front cameras.

23. nikhil23

Posts: 469; Member since: Dec 07, 2016

and I bet still it will be disabled for mobile payments. IMO biometric security still needs to evolve before we can call it secure. Password/pin is the only high secure feature that I could think of now. For everyone who thinks fingerprint scanner is secure, Look at this video youtube.com/watch?v=2u4ZLGsw1zo&t=849s

32. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Password/pin with fingerprint scanner is 100% secure ( when used both at same time )

41. nikhil23

Posts: 469; Member since: Dec 07, 2016

youtube.com/watch?v=2u4ZLGsw1zo&t=849s

43. iushnt

Posts: 3122; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

Also iris scanner

3. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

but windows hello facial recognition works just fine :-/ and wth proper facial scanner, Samsung's phone will need more sensor on it's (already crowded) upper bezels.. they need secondary camera for 3D image (kinda like microsoft's hello) or depth sensing camera, infrared sensor to detect it's alive or not, and infrared blaster to hep unlock in dark place

12. Export

Posts: 98; Member since: Apr 24, 2017

Is Windows Hello deemed safe for making payments tho?

19. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

oh right... missed the last part of the title

29. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Yes, it's probably more secure than iris scan. It's crazy but to make it portable is really a big task.

31. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

Are you saying that Windows Hello (facial recognition) is more secure than Iris which is a biometric recognition stronger than fingerprint? No way.

33. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

yes way. https://www.portableone.com/Tech-News/Microsoft-Windows-Hello-is-officially-the-most-secure-face-recognition-system-on-Windows-laptops Iris can be tricked with high enough resolution images. Windows hello can't even be tricked by twins. It builds 3d models of your entire face and every little intricate detail.

40. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

So its can be fooled with a 3d models of your face wich again can be reproduced..

48. krystian

Posts: 423; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Again, you have 3 different cameras as opposed to the 2 by iris. The reproduction would be insanely hard due to the accuracy required. You need a full 3d model. You need to have the exact same skin tone and any imperfections. It's not an easy job. So even if you could fool it with some great process you created, iris and facial will still be easier to fool making the real sense tech with windows more secure.

44. iushnt

Posts: 3122; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

I think you are being confused between facial scan and iris scan. To make things clear, Galaxy has Facial scan, Iris Scan and Finger Print with IRIS being the safest.

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