Finnish finance minister claims Microsoft has “betrayed” Finland
posted by Peter K. / Jul 21, 2014, 7:46 AM
As roughly 1,000 of the soon-to-be discharged workers are Finnish citizens, it comes to no surprise that Microsoft's layoff plans have spurred a great deal of negative reactions in Finland. The country's finance minister, Antti Rinne, addressed Microsoft and made no bones about the dismissal – he openly stated that the giant “has betrayed” Finland. The minister reveals that Redmond has been initially very much committed to Finland and Nokia's know-how, but unfortunately, it did not remain bound to some of its more important vows. From his words we can deduce that Microsoft has promised not to dismiss any workers so soon after it acquired Nokia, but certain aspects, such as the stalling market share of Windows Phone, have forced Redmond to take these extreme measures.
Antti Rinne also stated that he has personally undertook the control on Microsoft's promised data center, which are to be created across Finland. “They were promised,” he says.
Apart from laying off 18,000 employees, Microsoft also plans to revamp some of its Android-powered devices from the Nokia X family to Windows Phone-running ones. Even more, rumor has it that its curious McLaren flagship, which is said to come with unique gesture-based input, has also been suspended for the time being.
source: Kauppalehti (translated) via WPCentral
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In the end it falls under "it's just business" unfortunately. It's still ruthless to take Nokia and then strip it it down to a shell of its former self.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 7:54 AM 12
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Microsoft betrayed all Nokia's fans not only you. However, shame on you Finnishs. You did not support Nokia when they needed that. You sold your glory, legacy, and legend free to those Redmond's felons
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:35 AM 9
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imagine if nokia was making android phones and might had adopted android on time... I bet if nokia might not be no.2, atleast it might be no.3 in the world after samsung and apple
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:52 AM 5
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Tell me who's number 3 after Samsung and Apple today. LG? Are they doing any good? NO. So stop it with this BS. Nokia were dead when they didn't make any progress with their plans in 2010. Their first WP, the Lumia 800, was a year late. If they had released that in 2010, when WP was new and Nokia still had popularity, they could have been in a different place today. If anything, MS kept Nokia afloat for another 2 years by pumping in millions.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 10:30 AM 1
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As I mentioned, the road to an eventual acquisition by some company started in 2010, with Nokia not paying much attention to smartphones and taking Android for granted whilst losing marketshare and money. The question was who would acquire them, and that was MS in the end. Simple.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 1:15 PM 0
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Without Microsoft Nokia would have died already. He should blame ok Nokia management for moving too slowly not those who still employs half of Nokia's workforce. Besides MS also layed off their own employees. Amy major acquisition always have layoffs. He shouldn't be a minister if he doesn't know this. Besides MS have more than double the employees of Google and also more than Apple, the MS bashers should tell Google and Apple to hire them.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 9:37 AM 2
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Ruthless? Are you kidding me? What do you think happens when a company takes over another that provides the same services? Just because a company like MSFT has billions of dollars at its disposal doesn't mean it's just going to throw millions away paying people it doesn't need. That's how you drive a company into the ground and put everyone in the poor house. Yeah it sucks for those people but it's not ruthless. It's the right way to run a company. You can't be worried about the jobs of a few thousand people you just acquired when you have the future of a multi-billion dollar company to worry about. You always need to be concerned with the bigger picture.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 12:03 PM 1
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Instinct of killing Nokia by Mr. Flop.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:00 AM 6
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FLOP destroyed nokia. now it is proved that flop fanboys were lying then. flop & co. will destroy ms too.ms will miss bill gates. Trojan horse can win u a war but it might not be helpful to sustain it.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 10:26 AM 0
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you lost some cells in that post. When ELOP came onboard, Nokia was in a bad spot. They had 2 OS dev teams. Symbian which was old and clunky and being phased out, Meego which was hampered and didn't have a phone to show either Elop or the outgoing CEO. People forget these two basic facts. 1. Android is free, developing for it is not, it takes time, teams and many other things. Even now, homebrew roms break things. LG/HTC/Samsung spend millions a year making android better as well as google. Nokia had an in house OS team, 2 of them. Bringing on a 3rd at the time and frame that Android was in, would have accomplished nothing at this time. They were bleeding money fast. 2. Windows OS allowed them OS freedom, not open source freedom, but reducing their OS team down to very little so they could focus on other things. MS team was responsible for the OS, from the ground up, android doesn't even come with a file manager (at the time). Win7 didn't need one by anymeans, the OS did it for you. 3. There is no guarantee that Android would have saved Nokia, the only reason why you even know of Nokia today is because of MS, not inspite of them. Lumia line is because MS allowed the Nokia team to concentrate on other systems. It was the hands off approach, not to mention if I remember correctly Nokia got Win for free. 4. For every beloved android you buy, you give billions upon billions to MS every year, because MS has patents, patents that the dear phones rely on.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:35 PM 1
The amount of effort put by Nokia on Windows phone. Imagine similar effort with Nokia + Android. This is like colonization over again.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:07 AM 3
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ya why cant they just give up on windowsphone its not going to succeed anyway
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:11 AM 12
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World wide it is 4% (which in BB's case got it the label of sinking ship) but individually in some countries it has 10%+. Still, once again MS is going to implant more of its claws in Nokia's engineering and what not and eventually screw up what little chance they had. This is classic of a large corporation that thinks too highly of itself and thinks it knows the answer when for the last 2 decades they haven't gotten anything right.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:25 AM 2
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- "It needs 10% at least for the critical mass." because ? Why not 9% ? or 11% ? And it has reached over 10% in many countries , and is number 2 in some... - BlackBerryOS , Tizen, Unbutu touch, Firefox OS, Sailfish, lets kiil them first, they have even lower marketshare
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:32 AM 1
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Your numbers are hilarious. 20 countries is less than a tenth of the total countries, and that 4% is based almost solely on a $99 phone that means less than nothing to the actual viability of a company in mobile. The situation is more dire than you think, especially when a low-margin, low app revenue generating phone accounts for more than 10% of all Windows Phones...ever.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 11:38 AM 1
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Android would have taken more effort. You forget. Android is free developing for it is not. Nokia owned the smartphone market, yet because of a broken Symbian, and MeeGo that had no future (within Nokia). They lost. To develop for android is to do what they have been doing, developing an OS, Nokia did not have the cash that Samsung had at the time. MS allowed Nokia to Focus all that effort that you see today, without MS, Nokia would have been bought sold probably in 2012, it would have went the way of Motorola.
posted on Jul 21, 2014, 8:38 PM 0
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