The Canonical M10 will be the first tablet with Ubuntu convergence features
1. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Does it project full Ubuntu or is it half-assed attempt like continuum?
2. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
While I haven't checked in on the project since I had a Nexus Tablet, it's kind of half-assed. The applications have to be recompiled for Ubuntu Arm, so if you want to use one that's already in existence for the x86/x64 version of Ubuntu, it either has to be compiled for Arm by the developer, or you have to do so yourself. While it functions the same and even looks the same as Desktop when hooked into a monitor, the Mobile version will look completely different from the typical Ubuntu desktop.
12. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
facepalm...yes because code just magically appears from arm/x86 apps, no need to do anything...
13. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
How about the same code running on small form factor, not needing a change.
Also there are tablets running full windows 10. So a tablet running full ubuntu isn't a far fetched thought.
You must know nothing about programs or OS.
17. magnanimus (Posts: 527; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)
Because processing power to efficiently run full blowm desktop OS magically appear out of thin air in small form factor devices. Continuum was pretty impressive for something done on a phone, unless you find a way to fit smartphones with I series processors, continuum is the best it gets
28. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
It's not about processing power. I'm sure legacy windows programs don't take exponentially more power than modern W10 apps.
The issue is support. BTW, mobile SoCs like the exynos 7420 or A9 are as fast as ULV processors 2-3 years ago, or a 5-6 year old desktop. They run windows 10 just fine, why can't smartphones.
It's not about processing power, it's about support and software. I am 100% certain that devices like Nexus 6P and Note 5 have more than twice the horsepower than the threshold set up by microsoft:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster. RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit) Free hard disk space: 16 GB. Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM driver.
18. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
I know nothing of programs or OS? I should delete my Visual Studio and other software from my desktop then...
Seriously, even without modified code, you are still going from x86 to ARM. While code, programs, that run in a VM, that in no way means they are optimized for a larger screen, battery, or the mobile environment.
I can get xp to run on the Asus Zenfone...but I would hardly call it sale worthy.
Continuum shows off a very strong concept that really no one has done. The bottom layer OS is doing all the work. Programs do some of it, with new code. But in the end. I cannot take an Android app and load the apk into Ubuntu and watch it work. Not without middleware.
19. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Visual studio? Hahahaha. You seem like an app developer. An app or web developer calling himself expert is kind of funny. You probably code in windows and have never written a bash script or run an actual shell, let alone solving classical problems from sites like SPOJ.
The thing is, the tablet may or may not run on ARM. There are x86 based processors, like the one on your zenfone, or core M.
Continuum is garbage. It's not even windows RT, let alone full windows. Only microsoft based apps work, and that too in full-screen. It shouldn't be called windows if it doesn't have window support. Open 4 tabs in edge, one more app and go back to edge; you'll see all the pages reload. Not to mention how much it will slow down.
It's just scaling of mobile apps on big screen, nothing else. More like iPad apps v/s iPhone apps.
24. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
No where did I call myself an app or web developer. Nor did I call myself an expert. You seem to have a really bad time at understanding.
I have coded in many environments all the way back to BASIC.
There are x86 based processors NOW that are ok at best. Also it is not my Zenfone.
Like I said, go grab an apk file and run it in Ubuntu without modification...I will wait.
While you wait. It is not just scaling of mobile apps, this right here shows you how little you know of Continuum, nobody here has to read any farther than what you just stated to realize...that you simply don't fully understand. If it was simply scaling of mobile apps....they would just have to run two screens.
25. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
You know that android and ubuntu are different. If the same .deb file runs on both Ubuntu and Debian, it doesn't mean it will run on android or fedora.
BTW, android supports x86. Ever heard about Remix OS.
26. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
That is the point. about windows continuum and say android/Linux. With window you build an app with the universal model, and it runs on windows 10. Mobile or otherwise. I build an app for Android (Linux based) in no way does it mean it will run in Ubuntu or any other Linux distro.
So revisiting the things in question here, Continuum is not half'asssed, if it is using the new development environment...
27. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
That I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it's completely useless. No one has a keyboard, mouse and monitor lying around without a CPU. And if I buy them just for continuum, I better get at least close to full windows experience.
I'm not saying continuum is not impressive from an engineering standpoint. It indeed is. But it's supposed to be a cool thing, not a practical one. The mobile OS RAM eviction alone makes it unusable for any workload scenario.
20. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
I didn't even say that, how far up there is your head stuck....did you even read everything I said?
22. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
Sorry, that was towards elitewolverine, it's not letting me edit
23. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
pssst, news flash head stuck...I wasn't responding to you...gasp I know a shock.
3. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
So microsoft heard the plan of cononical in february 2012. Then analyzed it and applied for the patent right after one month in March 2012... I always think that only apple do like this but microsoft too?
5. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
ofcourse, 2012 is not new but they copied cononical :p
6. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
Obviously, my point is that this isn't new for MS to take things from other companies and make their own spin on it. Take Windows 10 which just bleeds things taken from Linux.
16. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
If you think MS simply copied their idea you are in error. The idea started way back with windows 8. Considering running two screens at once has been around for more than two decades on windows desktop, it only made sense that the tablet OS which was now the same as the desktop OS could run two screens or adapt to the screen it was on, since this was the goal of universal apps. You guys are Pulling a string here where there is none to pull....
14. justrt (Posts: 363; Member since: 10 Jul 2014)
I don't think it's about Microsoft having tried to copy Canonical. Both companies realized that's the way to go (Google is trying to do that too). Canonical is a way smaller company, so you can't blame them for being late. At least they are trying!
7. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2049; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
It's better than ubuntu's attempt. And are you a Linux fanboy, or an ms hater? Or both? As long as you're not a Linux fanboy then it's all good.they're the worst fanboys
8. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
I prefer Linux, but I'm a gamer so obviously I have to use MS, frankly I don't care either way as long as it works. So obviously I avoid apple like the plague it is :D
9. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
And yes, I'm a fan of Linux, but I wouldn't classify myself as a "fanboy", I don't worship Linus Benedict Torvalds nut sack nor do I try to push it on others, but if you spit out that "it's to complicated" I will call you the retard you're being as it's typically as easy to install and use, and in some cases easier then both Mac or Windows depending on the distribution you use.
10. aReefer (Posts: 33; Member since: 21 Mar 2015)
There's actually a much hotter Ubuntu tablet out there, hardware-wise, but it lacks the 'convergence' features of this tablet - but that is really just down to the distro itself.
Specifications and Features:
Intel® Atom™ x7-Z8700 Processor (2M Cache, up to 2.40 GHz)
4GB LPDDR3 RAM (2x2GB)
64GB Internal (Max128GB)
MicroSD Slot for additional storage (Up to 128GB)
Mini PCI-Express Slot Internal with External access
Sensors: G Sensor,Compass,Gyroscope, GPS
8.9" and 10.1" HD IPS Display with Resolution of 1920x1200 with 10 point multi-touch
Wireless: a/b/g/n, 2.4/5GHZ Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.0
Micro HDMI Out
3.5mm Headphone/Earbud Out
USB Ports: 1 x 2.0, 1 x 3.0, 1 x Micro
Speakers: 2W x 2
Camera: 8MP Front Facing and 13MP Rear Facing
Battery: 8.9": 7500mAh, 10.1": 8500mAh
Battery Life: 8.9": 7-8 hours (200 standby), 10.1": 8-9 hours (200 standby)
Operating System: Ubuntu
11. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
You could also just use a Raspberry Pi Mini with a tablet kit, but honestly if you're going for something like what you said, I'd just drop Linux Mint over Ubuntu....honestly it's horrible, I don't know anyone that genuinely likes that Unity garbage.
15. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1493; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)
Ubuntu is garbage IMO. I tried 14.04 LTS its nothing but a ripoff of Mac OSX (Ex, Settings). Canonical has also installed Bloatware. Above all that the main weak point Ubuntu has is programs. Man its annoying AF. Design is horrible too but I appreciate the ability to customize the appearance. It ran like a champ on my inspiron n4030 i3 model. Any other distros that you guys recommend?
21. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
"rip off" in terms of Linux Distro's is a bit of a stretch, especially in Ubuntu's case as they're just trying to find the "path of least resistance" to make things familiar for users. It's more like a hybrid of OSX and Windows, and is done intentionally. Pointing a finger at a Linux Distro and saying "copy cat" is like pointing at a photo-copier and shouting the same thing. The intent is to be comfortable and recognizable, so of course it looks similar. With that in mind, I don't know what paint they where sniffing when they decided Unity was an OK thing to do.