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Surface Pro 5 to launch this September with 4K UHD display and Kaby Lake Intel processor?

Surface Pro 5 to launch this September with 4K UHD display and Kaby Lake Intel processor?
With talk that Microsoft is waiting for the Kaby Lake version of the Intel processor to launch before bringing out the Surface Pro 5, we do have some information regarding the next iteration of the high-end slate. With the Kaby Lake processor expected to be available later this year, the Surface Pro 5 could be launched in September instead of later this month as once hoped.

Microsoft has not kept to a strict launch schedule for the Surface Pro, which makes a September launch possible. The Kaby Lake processors are built using the 14nm process, similar to the current Skylake chip, but are more powerful. Mass production of Kaby Lake is expected to start later this quarter.

Other rumored specs for the Surface Pro 5 include a 4K UHD display, a higher capacity battery, an improved Surface Pen and a USB Type-C port. Similar to the price range of the Surface Pro 4, the Surface Pro 5 could start at $799 and run as high as $1799.

While the tablet market as a whole has been losing steam as shipments decline, there is hope that high-end detachable tablets, which have accessories that can be connected or removed from the tablet (like a QWERTY keyboard) will help turn the entire industry around. Led by the Surface Pro line and the Apple iPad Pro, the detachables are seen as a great tool for businessmen in the field who need the portability that a tablet  brings, and the availability of a QWERTY keyboard during those times when more precise typing is called for.

Speaking of businesses, for the first quarter of this year, U.K. enterprise firms favored the Surface Pro over the iPad Pro by 2 to 1. For the quarter, sales of the Microsoft Surface Pro rose from 83,000 units to 275,000 in the market.


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posted on 07 Jun 2016, 02:51

1. Plasticsh1t (Posts: 1762; Member since: 01 Sep 2014)


Could this replace my laptop? I have an Asus UX303 with Intel core i7 broadwell processor. Need any helpful opinion.

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:15 1

8. sabretigger (Posts: 66; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)


if you use your laptop primarily on your lap then no. even on a flat surface the slightly elevated position of the keyboard isn't nice to type on.

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 05:01 4

16. vincelongman (Posts: 4947; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


If you need the dGPU of the Asus UX303, then the SP5 won't be for you
Maybe the Surface Book is more for you

BTW try typing on one in store, some hate it, some love it

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 06:04

21. hemedans (Posts: 602; Member since: 01 Jun 2013)


iris 540 did beat nvidia 940m and kabylake will have big improvement in graphics, I wont be suprised to see new iris in level with 950m or even 960m

about cpu all will have 300mhz base clock boost and minor ipc improvement, check these leaks of kabylake in geekbench

i5 7200u base clock 2.7ghz
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6743793

i7 7500u base clock 2.9ghz
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6794985

for comparison i5 6400 with 2.7ghz (desktop skylake cpu)
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/4581572

kabylake 15watts cpu managed to beat skylake 65w cpu, thats surface pro 5 will be a monster

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 07:25

23. vincelongman (Posts: 4947; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Source for Iris 540 beating nvidia 940m please
The flagship Surface Book had the 930M+GDDR5, while the flagship Pro 4 had the Iris 540
That would be pretty stupid of MS if the 930M was slower than the Iris 540

Originally Intel planned to release Cannon Lake this year, but they havent been able to get their 10nm process ready, so they quickly made Kabylake
So IMO Kabylake will be a minor improvement in both graphics and CPU

BTW that i5-6400 is being throttled, it gets 3241/10116 here
http://browser.primatelabs.com/processor-benchmarks
That being said, those cpu benchmarks are better than I expected
Hopefully I'm wrong, and Kabylake does bring big improvements

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 08:42

25. Ordinary (Posts: 2442; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Iris is faster actually (at least on GFXBench):

Iris 540:
https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&os=Windows&api=gl&cpu-arch=x86&hwtype=iGPU&hwname=Intel(R)%20Iris(TM)%20Graphics%20540&did=27557135&D=Intel(R)%20Core(TM)%20i7-6650U%20CPU%20with%20Iris(TM)%20Graphics%20540

940M:
https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx40&os=Windows&api=gl&cpu-arch=x86&hwtype=dGPU&hwname=NVIDIA%20GeForce%20940M&did=24962515&D=NVIDIA%20GeForce%20940M

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 08:49

26. hemedans (Posts: 602; Member since: 01 Jun 2013)


nvidia 940m use gddr3 compare to edram of iris its not shame for 940m to lose.

check this thread for benchmarks
https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/3q7zbh/hd_graphics_520_vs_iris_graphics_540_vs_geforce/

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 14:13

29. vincelongman (Posts: 4947; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


I remembered wrong, Surface Book is 940M+GDDR5
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9767/microsoft-surface-book-2015-review/4

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 14:16

30. vincelongman (Posts: 4947; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Strange, the AnandTech had the Surface Book's 940M+GDDR5 beating the Pro 4's Iris 540
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9767/microsoft-surface-book-2015-review/4

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 15:56 1

31. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 13496; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


I use my SP4 on my lap all the time. It's not that bad!

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 17:01

33. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 3812; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


That's only faster when it comes to offscreen, for onscreen tasks (Video Rendering, gaming, CAD, etc.) the 940M 100% turns the table according to your sources...what use do you get out of off-screen benchmarks?

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 17:03

34. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 3812; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


He's referring to the offscreen results from GFXBench, the Anandtech benchmarks are all onscreen benchmarks, which seems like the useful aspect of a GPU, and it concurs with the onscreen results from GPXBench...

EDIT

Strange indeed, the offscreen b

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 17:09

37. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 3812; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


*the offscreen benchmarks at Anandtech look to be for the i5 Surface Pro 4, not the i7 with the Iris graphics.

posted on 08 Jun 2016, 02:04

39. vincelongman (Posts: 4947; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Oh you are right, I assumed AnandTech had the i7 SP4

Comparing the results from AnandTech with the link he provided its actually really close, within minor of error even

Manhattan 3.0
940M+GDDR5: 92.4 Fps
Iris 540: 91.6 Fps

T-Rex 3.0
940M+GDDR5: 194.8 Fps
Iris 540: 194.4 Fps

GDDR5 makes a huge difference in terms of bandwidth, which I believe is very important for the onscreen test

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 02:52 2

2. HR_19 (Posts: 103; Member since: 09 Aug 2014)


I'm hoping for a Surface 4 (not Pro) with USB-C.

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:40

12. sabretigger (Posts: 66; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)


should ideally stick the atom on the low end and core m at the top. leave the pro series for i5 and above.

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 05:06 2

17. vincelongman (Posts: 4947; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Core m is too expensive for the Surface 4
And that a huge performance gap between the atom and core m

Personally, I love the idea of a fanless core m for the base model of the SP5 since I already have a powerful desktop
But I would like if they move up from using the m3 to the m5

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:00

3. Martineverest (Posts: 466; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)


Trustworthy microsoft reporters: mary jo foley(zdnet),rubino daniel and thurrot have all confirmed that sp5 and surface phone will be releasedin q1 2017

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 05:10

18. vincelongman (Posts: 4947; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Just wondering, any date for the regular S5?

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:01

4. Martineverest (Posts: 466; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)


Trustworthy microsoft reporters: mary jo foley(zdnet),rubino daniel and thurrot have all confirmed that sp5 and surface phone will be releasedin q1 2017

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:02

5. Martineverest (Posts: 466; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)


That should be surface 4....hoping to see sp5 with project tango-esque feature

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:04 3

6. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1325; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)


Meanwhile Android tablets nowhere to be seen in 2016

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:15 3

7. Martineverest (Posts: 466; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)


Android tablets are dead and buried...when last did u see android oems release high end tablet?...samsung,huawei have switched gears to windows'.lg,sony,one plus,zte etc will soon switch theirs.

Wont be surprised if same thing happens when surface phone is unveiled,since there is no more innovation in phone sector and demamds are falling.

Cant wait to see samsung unveil its galaxy note pro 12 (windows) with high precision s-pen

Surface and windows holographic are d future!

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:23

9. donrox (Posts: 189; Member since: 18 Jul 2014)


true that

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:36 1

11. Bankz (Posts: 1320; Member since: 08 Apr 2016)


What advantage will the surface phone have over other phones? In what department precisely, cameras? Battery? Screen? Speakers? Features? Apps? Design? I'm just curious

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:41 1

13. Martineverest (Posts: 466; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)


Android tablets were at its finest when ms launched surface pros......functionality is the key

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 05:52 1

20. hemedans (Posts: 602; Member since: 01 Jun 2013)


-emulation (dolphin, ps2, citra, etc)
-take advantage of modern win32 apps (project contennial)
-full multitasking including in app multitasking (no phone can do that)
-take advantage of pc acessory

there are many potential just wait for it to see

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 07:54

24. yann (Posts: 332; Member since: 15 Jul 2010)


Ok. I'll answer you:
Camera: not so bad on 950's, exept iPhone 6s and last Droid flagships - Samsung, Moto etc. Generally - better than 90% of Android phones and only worst than last iPhone model. Can't be sure for Surface camera, but wouldn't be much behind then best of the best.
Battery: noone can tell, but most flagships have the same battery problem. Mid.
Screen: Lumia 950's have one of the best screen on the market. At least is good AMOLED, not some Super duper LCD
Features: Windows phone is not worst than Android in case of features. If you like hacks etc., then go for Android, but there are enough features.
Design: that must be improved, cause Microsoft saw what disaster was 950's in terms of design. Ugly as hell. That was one of msny cons on last MS devices.
Apps: that really is the major and the only one serious problem that made me shift from windows phone to lagging Android. If Microsoft did not make miracle and run win32 apps on next flagship with almost full functional desktop pc functionality, they are doomed.

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 17:00

32. elitewolverine (Posts: 5192; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Camera? Probably not. I see it using probably the same 950/xl sensor, probably a generation upgrade, but I don't expect more MP or really less. To me other than focusing it beats the S7. But that is me.

Battery? Depends. I would expect 3-4k mah, as long as it lasts till you get home...then it wont matter

Screen? It matches the S7 right now, so as long as it doesn't go backwards many wont even see it. Expect either another 2k generational leap or 4k.

Speakers? Probably dual, like the Surfaces.

Features? This is the biggest ?, for me the only way a surface phone will be a slam dunk is to ditch arm, or allow a dual SoC with a dual core ARM or quad ARM and a Dual x86 on the same Die. What will this provide? x86 support and arm support. For me it has to run x86 apps to be more than just a phone. Even if it is just in continuum mode to start (but should be able to do it on screen as well).

Apps? Well apps solve a phone problem, not a PC problem. Apps are created for the limited abilities of Phones, now that they are getting high end that can meat low end pcs, Apps are now getting more useful. Right now a mobile app is still second fiddle to desktop apps of any caliber. So if you x86 the device, apps are not an issue for simple reason of emulation.

Emulation...to pull it off it would need 4GB to 6GB or even 8GB of ram. My pc has 4GB and does just fine with emulation of android via bluestacks or andy or roy etc.

However the biggest thing...is Google itself. Google wants desktop, and the only way to make chrome useful and to make them pull users from desktop to Chrome OS is to launch android apps within Chrome. This is their Trojan horse. So if MS is reading this, if you allow x86 on the phone, then install chrome and there is NO app gap. MS says thank you for 1.5million apps without lifting a finger on another persons dime. This is a pipe dream of mine, but if MS was smart (lets admit it, they are kinda doufus these days), they would do this. Google is handing this to them on a platter.

posted on 07 Jun 2016, 03:27

10. Barney_stinson (banned) (Posts: 672; Member since: 30 May 2016)


Hololens , surface line !!! So can MSFT provide a surface phone too!!??? Too much expecttions!!

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