Samsung ready to start making 1080p Super AMOLED HD panels in 2013
What is also interesting is that Samsung was being offered to use 1080p LCD displays made by LG Display or Japan Display, according to the report. The offer was made in case Samsung had troubles manufacturing AMOLED displays with such high pixel density. The company was even given samples to examine and possibly consider using in its future devices. Samsung refused.
Still, even though Super AMOLED HD panels with 1920 by 1080 pixels of resolution will most likely materialize next year, Samsung is predicted to have troubles manufacturing enough of them in sufficient amount of time. In effort to boost its production capacity, it is said that Samsung Display will rely on a modified version of its FMM (fine metal mask) manufacturing process. But will this be enough to ensure that a monstrous screen like that would end up on a smartphone like the Samsung Galaxy S IV. Time will tell, folks, time will tell.
source: ZDNet Korea, DDaily (translated) via Android Authority
1. KParks23 (Posts: 456; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)
Hmm that's funny I'm going to be using a 1080p display this year that has better color reproduction than amoled screens this year in 2012 with My DNA
4. Captain_Doug (Posts: 766; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
I hear that. Amoled? Pass. I don't want my phone looking like a cartoon.
9. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
Sammy, u gotta believe you can try, if u just touch thaaa....SKY!!!!!!!!
10. AliNSiddiqui (Posts: 381; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)
That's fine. Most people like AMOLED because it is a far more pleasing experience because its more vibrant. Some people may also like accurate colours, choice is great isn't it? :)
12. lukasound (Posts: 152; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
With Samsung you have a choice...
On SGS3, you can choose 4 different color modes, so you can have lower saturation and natural looking colors.
Saturation is no longer a point of argument with AMOLEDs.
17. Captain_Doug (Posts: 766; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Really... interesting... Is burn in still an argument?
34. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5482; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Ok, just Google and look how much you will find smartphones with OLED based displays and Burn-In effect and how much smartphones with LCD based displays and Burn-In effect???
Yes, LCD can get Burn-In effect just because liquid crystals through long time affected by the same voltage (without movement) can get static load and stay in the same position for some time but the difference between OLED and LCD Burn-In is that LCD's Burn-In effect is NOT PERMANENT while OLED's Burn-In effect IS PERMANENT.
Also OLED based displays can get Burn-In effect much faster than LCD and I even don't talk that chance that LCD will get "Burn-In" effect is very very very small and namely on the phone!
35. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5482; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Talking about OLED Burn-In it depends on various conditions it may happen even after few month. I remember long time ago I was Googling and found two big forums with vote polls in both forums voted really big number of Samsung Wave (S8500) users and in both polls ~30-40% users was claiming that after 3-4 month they have noticed 'Burn-in' effect. ~30-40% in 3-4 month it is really big numbers in such short time.
And today we can find more and more Google results about 'Burn-in' effect.
And even if it hapens after 2 years, why would I want such display??? Should it be somehow useful for me??? I don't think so!
The problem is that because noone still has improve organic compounds which are used in OLED. They have improve matrixes and used other "tricks" but hasn't improve main element - organic compounds and that's why OLED has such short lifespan and can get 'Burn-In' effect.
Here is example of 'Burn-In' effect on Samsung Galaxy S III (watch in FullHD !):
Here is example of 'Burn-In' effect on Samsung Galaxy S (watch in HD !):
Here is another example of 'Burn-In' effect on Samsung Galaxy S:
Here is another example of 'Burn-In' effect on Samsung Galaxy S III (watch in HD !):
Smartphone display Burn-in test (LCD vs OLED):
You also can find even more and more examples of OLED based screens 'Burn-In' effect just Google or search on YouTube and you will see that it is pretty easy noticeable!
50. Captain_Doug (Posts: 766; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
I have never heard of it. Must not exist. ;D
30. lukasound (Posts: 152; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
After using my SGS2 for a year and half i did notice a slight burn in on the top of the screen where the notification bar is, but it seems that the main problem is the blue color.
I suppose that's why the colors are on the cold side - with time, blue subpixels get weaker so the cold colors effect diminishes.
My SGS3 is still too young to notice anything...
Still, they are aware of this issue and if you are a regular here at PA, you would know they worked on it, so there should be much less burn-ins on SGS3, and even less on future phones (they are improving the tech of those blue subpixels).
38. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
dude, I'm not a fan of AMOLED screen, too, except maybe some of the early RGB variety, but even LCD has burn in issue..
51. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
You don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.
There is no difference in the color gamut for those modes, it's just a difference in post-processing. White balance and color gamut doesn't change with those modes.
32. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1087; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Its gonna be a Display-dary year for Sammy baby! Oh I can see my Note 3 already :)
44. jroc74 (Posts: 5042; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Yea I used to like LCD's until I got my first Amoled phone.
I dont see cartoonish. I dont see over saturated. My eyes just like Amoled better now. Sometimes, its just that simple. Its just based on what we prefer.
25. josephnero (Posts: 317; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Same here bro.Need some SLCD3 next year.not againt sammy though,i have S2 and i like it alot
15. shuaibhere (Posts: 1606; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
You feel for this after seeing coloroled displays....
26. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5482; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
In my opinion there is four main OLED based screen cons:
1) Really short lifespan (due to organic compounds degradation).
2) Can not handle intensive "working load" and it expressed as 'Burn-In' effect (also due to organic compounds degradation).
3) Colors are not natural.
4) Relatively not so clear and sharp images.
I say NO for OLED based displays!
28. Twisted247 (Posts: 244; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
Aren't all of the big TV manufacturers producing OLED TV's for 2013. And they will be the next "big thing". ..?
33. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5482; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Aren't all of the big TV manufacturers producing OLED TV's for 2013."
I didn't hear about that before and I'm sure that it is not true and even if it was true then I'm sure that not all manufacturers.
Anyway who wants to have TV with not natural colors which also can easily Burn-In and has even shorter lifespan than any Plasma TV... No, I don't!
40. apocalypsebc (Posts: 148; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
They already are the next big thing. Until something else beats it. LED cost more than LCD but cost doesn't mean its better. It's just my opinion and statistically proven by most companies, business, etc.
43. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5482; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
We are talking about OLED not about LED. :)
3. MeoCao (unregistered)
Great news, but SS must get rid of the bluish tint of their AMOLED
13. AstronautJones (Posts: 272; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
I see people say that, so maybe you are right.
I just have not had any complaints about my Galaxy S2, my Skyrocket, or my Galaxy S3. Since I obviously like Samsung phones, I admit I may have a prejudice.
19. MeoCao (unregistered)
I guess the point is you wont notice anything wrong about your screen until you see the better thing. If you put HTC One X and GS3 side by side I think you will see where AMOLED falls short.
Overall I think GS3 is better phone than One X though.
46. jroc74 (Posts: 5042; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Thats the thing....I do notice the blue tint compared to my Droid X.
Overall...I like Amoled screen better tho. Cuz on its own, it looks white. Put it like this...I can live with and accept the cons of Amoled more than the cons of LCD right now. It used to be the other way around on 2010.
22. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Blueish tint is not a problem on my GNOTE II screen. Samsung almost get rid of it. We can assume that it will no longer exist on the next gen SuperAMOLED HD.
5. _Bone_ (Posts: 2135; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
A bit curious as the manufacturer of iPad3's and Nexus 10's superhighres retina screens, Samsung's having troubles producing 5" fullHD devices (especially with Exynos 5 being developed exactly to support such technology). But even more interesting why are they sticking with AMOLED, when their LCD and PLS screes are pretty great too.
8. MeoCao (unregistered)
Great question, I also want to find out why, and my guess is SS must support the technology b-c that's SS big investment and they must recoup the money.
And AMOLED is not bad and it has great potential.
20. Oxygen (Posts: 82; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
because AMOLED is more appealing to customers.. most people out there don't care about natural colours but more beautiful vibrant colours.
6. mas11 (Posts: 1030; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Yeah I'm sure I'll see one of their 1080p displays in my next phone.
7. galaxyman (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Instead of making amoled have crazy resolution I wish they would just fix the numerous problems thay have already. Bluish green whites, pentile screens, overstatured colors...
21. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8717; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Battery tech is getting better and better every year... Look at the Droid Razr Maxx. Bigger, HD screen and gets MORE talk time and daily usage than the previous gen.
Processor, battery and power efficiency is what matters the most.
24. medicci37 (Posts: 654; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
R.I.P. Pentile... You will not be missed.
18. darkdroid (Posts: 44; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)
u shud see the blacks in amoled , lcd has more natural color ..hoping to see non pentile 1080p super amoled hd display in galaxy S4
23. twens (Posts: 680; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
You guys pay too much attention to phone arena critics against Amoled screens.if Apple was the one using Amoled suddenly it will become a standard for all phones.I don't believe there is anything like natural colors when it comes to screens.no matter what you do you can never have a natural color on a screen.Amoled is one reason Samsung has become successful.people like the saturated color.no matter how bad phone arena try to make them look. I don't like LCDs cos they look washed out compared to Amoleds.
47. jroc74 (Posts: 5042; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Have to admit, I agree about washed out. I never did until I got my first Amoled screen. I admit I was blindly hating in 2010. Its evident in videos, pics and I was still looking a blind eye.
Now....ppl compare Amoled to LCD and say you wont notice blue tint unless compared to something better.
Well.....you wont notice washed out until you compare it to something better. You wont notice the better blacks and contrast Amoled screens have until compared to something not as good.
LCD and Amoled on their own look almost perfect for the most part....compared to each other....you see the pros n cons....of both.
Thats why, we all have to choose what we can and cant live with.
29. Twisted247 (Posts: 244; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
The previous Amoled display's did have some issues. But Sammy has worked on that w/ eliminating the pentile setup in the new Galaxy note 2. And its setup is better then those of the past.
31. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
I will never consider full hd necessary on a phone display.
If I were to improve on my galaxy s3, I'd rather have a better battery life and RGB 720p screen, thank you.
It's already great even with pen tile - just needs a better calibration
36. chongbh (Posts: 13; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Anyway, the Amoled you using is from Japan and you just steal their technology and claim yours. Amoled is still not as good as the display by Japan Display, this is what technology is. The display used by Sony will be the best.
39. Martine (Posts: 102; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Why would Samsung even consider LCD panel from Japanese company or LG when it currently manufactures 1080P LCD (SLCD).
48. ngo2dd (Posts: 787; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Samsung does not make the 1080p display it is sharp. HTC is sharp and Japan display for their LCD panal.
41. MC1123 (Posts: 1243; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
i think japan techs are way better than korean techs! :)