Nokia sold 2.9 million Lumia Windows Phones in Q3 2012
With more Windows Phone sales being sold and the share of Symbian rapidly diminishing, Nokia's average sales price (ASP) for smart device has also grown to 155 euro, up from 151 in the previous quarter.
Overall, Nokia's net sales stood at around $9.48 billion (7.24 billion euro). This means the company ended up around $754 million (576 million euro) in the red. This loss brings Nokia's net cash to some $4.7 billion (3.56 billion euro), down from $5.5 billion in Q2 2012. This is overall in line with analysts' expectations, the losses are only slightly larger than projected.
Next quarter will be very important for Nokia. The company launches its first Windows Phone 8 devices, the Lumia 920 with PureView camera and wireless charging and the more affordable Lumia 820. The Lumia 920 is expected to be an AT&T exclusive in its first months availability, competing with phones like the iPhone 5, Samsung Galaxy S III and the LG Optimus G.
1. sheik (Posts: 249; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)
Not a bad performance at market compared to RIM... Sad that they don't produce Android smart phones
8. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1064; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Nokia can still turn it around and with WP8 they probably will but I cant say the same for RIM as they just dont inspire confidence anymore
12. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
For you, there are a few ardent BB fans and BB10 looks good.
67. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1064; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Being a fan is a personal choice but what I am saying about BB is based on what we've seen so far...delays and delays...
76. cdgoin (Posts: 363; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
Actually from what I have seen.. it looks like armed over iOS crossed with Android.. Nothing special. Then the one thing that makes BB, BB Is the QWERTY keyboard and BB10 doesn't look like they are goin to have that at least at first. So the one thing that really makes them different, they are eliminating. BB will merge thier software with WP to try to keep enterprise businesses. That or they will just die.
18. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
They have been trying for the past 7years, WP8 wont cause no hype nor attraction.
21. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Troll, you do know WinMo and WinPho are different right? If you don't then well, don't comment.
23. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
I've course I still have the Htc Tytn.... There still same.
24. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
What is the same except that MS has made them both and well, both carry the Windows name tag?
25. eisenbricher (Posts: 970; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
You have every single phone from the world, right?
47. andro. (Posts: 1935; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Agreed,wp8 will create only a very minor temporary stir. For other manufacturers its no biggie,for nokia it could be crippling as they are chained by the groin to windows phone. Instore we've had minimal to zero inquires from customers about wp8 handsets.
I'Ve said it here for ages and have got blasted a few times but i've seen it first hand in the industry day in day out,windows phones are very unpopular,the vast majority of people hated the block tile ui and very very little actually consider purchasing one unless theres a huge discounted price applied.
51. snowgator (Posts: 3187; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
My problem with your opinion on the sales ( and I did not thumb you down, just FYI), is that you are basing it only on personal experience and not big picture.
WP was only launched 2 years ago, and into a much more competitive world than either the iPhone or Android. Both of those OS's had the advantage of launching when smart phone sales were developing, not established. WP not only has to convince consumers to give a new look a chance (not iOS or Android Grid base, but the live tile base), but also develop the support for it.
MS has done a great job developing the support. Windows 8 will be all tile base, developing acceptance for WP 8 in a way that being on the smart phones alone can't. Developers will be developing for the entire ecosystem- do apps or support for Windows 8, and since the kernal is the same you are developing for WP 8 anyways. It is a completly interactive way of handling it.
Maybe the smart phone industry will never truly embrace the live tiles enough to challenge Android for #1, but that is okay. WP8 will be a HUGE player for #3 and maybe #2 if Apple continues to devlop iOS at a slower pace. That will still be tons of profit, and a vibrant base.
The only question: Will it happen fast enough to help Nokia survive as a WP-only manufacturer?
64. djg71087 (Posts: 70; Member since: 10 Oct 2010)
Also could mean that your not that great of a sales person! I use to work for at&t a while back and let me tell you it was actually easy selling WP, you may need to qualify your customer (not everyone walking through your doors is fit for a WP. Qualifying your customer, understand there need for a smartphone. I occasionally had elder folks or 1st time smartphone users come in to my store and the loved the tiles, easy to see and very uniform, talked to them about office integration and all the voice commands they could do just from holding down the center windows button and they were sold. Sometimes it can be a tough to read people but do it right you'll feel good about making that sales
"in store we had minimal to zero inquiries"-- so your saying your just an order taker and not really a sales Rep, great sales reps know how to approach people and convey confidence when they speak, therefore the customer trusting your recommendation
73. andro. (Posts: 1935; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Eh no,i do many differnet aspects in the company and industry. We have nobody ask for them,we had to reduce wp7 prices as there was a backlog of unsold stock and even now they are very slow to sell. Plus no staff would recommend them,the lumia 800 for example as it has been plagued with blank screen issues as well as the likes of not powering on despite full charge,Many sales can be lost when customers didn't like the wp ui when demonstrated.The worldwide figures have shown in general the very low popularity of the platform unfortunately. This is sad news for nokia.
77. cdgoin (Posts: 363; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
From where did you get that info.. EVERYONE I know that has seen WP likes it and many bought it. If Dell werent idiots, the DVP would have been a huge seller..
59. Snoobab (Posts: 172; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
WP8 shares the exact same kernel as Windows 8 making app development open to a whole army of PC developers. Expect big things.
84. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 879; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
yeah microsoft played the right cards
30. wp8forever (unregistered)
Things are about to change, how wouldn't they when you will start selling the best phone in the world lumia 920.
31. Hemlocke (unregistered)
You mean the phone with the OS that takes over 10GB of space on the Lumia? There is a reason there haven't been any big demos for the actual OS: It's a bloated nightmare that will be a poor performer on the hardware they have chosen for this generation.
39. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Aaaahahahahahahahaha you are such a fool. The COMPUTER OS, with Microsoft Office and a bunch of other apps, took 12 GB on one person's system. My version of Windows 8 RTM only took 6GB after all drivers were updated. That is the COMPUTER OS, NOT the phone's.
Oh, thanks for the laughs.
46. sheik (Posts: 249; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)
yeah, -box- is right. What they said was Surface has 10 GB allotted for system memory including MS Office suite and other essential apps. And they never said that Windows phones would follow the same. This is like saying that OSX of Macbook's and iOS of iphone are same in size...
69. zuckerboy (Posts: 898; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)
bulky phone ... only nokia fans buy that brick...
68. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Hey PhoneArena, now that you've stated that Ashas aren't smartphones, can you stop comparing them to entry level Androids? kthxbai
2. Loubielou (Posts: 193; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
This is the Time Know the Nokia Board finally decide Mr Elops Position at Nokia,as we have seen no Growth at Nokia since he stepped in but more Decline,O.k he Convinced Nokia that is Old Employees Micosoft would off Investment into Nokia by Chosing Windows,but Windows was to Restricted for those use to using Nokia Symbian phones,an Android was more like Symbian,then Microsoft got Nokia to change the design of Windows phones an make them like iPhones with no mico sd card slot an no Bluetooth sending an Recieving,Samsung have Gained more from Nokias mistakes with the Lumias with phones with micro sd card slots an Removable batteries,Mr Elop made alot of Nokia phone users switch to Android after announcing "Symbian is Dead" an ever since Nokia have Struggled,he must go now or Nokia will be Finished by Over Valuing the New Lumias,Android would have been alot better for Nokia
5. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
The only thing that prevented a growth of Lumia shipments were: the introduction of WP8 handsets and the premature stupid MS conference in which they basically demoed nothing but resizing tiles and said WP7.5 handsets wouldn't get WP8. SO people logically and intelligently waited for WP87 handsets. Q4 looks good for them though.
11. eisenbricher (Posts: 970; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Right said bro.. Though announcing that news was necessary that time. Because later they announce, more offended people would have been. Imagine buying a 900 a week ago the 920 announcement over 2 year contract!
19. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
But why don't people in the US buy devices off-contract if it's cheaper over two years and you can change your phone as many times as you want and phones don't come with any carrier bloatware? Good that this s**t doesn't exist in India.
27. eisenbricher (Posts: 970; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Totally true. Better option for them is, buy an unlocked phone and pay in EMIs. I can never stick to a single phone for more than an year. India is cool with low call rates and non-restricting carriers.
29. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Low call rates yes, low text rates yes. But 3G data is not cheap. PS: Perhaps the worst carrier in India is the first to launch an LTE network and a LTE phone in India, I'm talking of Airtel.
33. shuaibhere (Posts: 1297; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Do you know what i get as a loyal customer?????
1.5 mbps download speed and 3gb of data and 30 validity for just 98 rs......
34. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
OMG, did you strike a deal with them? Apparently, I get s**tty coverage, s**tty consumer service and am overcharged every time. Do tell me how.
42. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
1.5 mbps? I can't even remember the last time I had ANY data that slow... Maybe around 2007 or 2008?
48. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
You do know our telecom industry and political condition is in tatters right?
50. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Or maybe the price is under $2 for this speed and 3 gigs of data makes it a good deal. And to sheik, the sole reason why we Indians are paying for this terrible speeds and data caps is the carrier-government nexus.
72. eisenbricher (Posts: 970; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
How much have you paid for that dude? Well in the same country using 3G services from vodaphone I get 3.5Mbps approx. But I don't use it much. I rely on 2G service since it's pretty good enough for chats n news updates and all those online services which keep pinging. While I get to avail 4Mbps WiFi when I'm at home.
On the other hand, have you seen the call rates like 10hrs talktime free on a 4$ monthly plan? and additional cost @ INR 0.60/min? 1$ = INR53, and I enjoy the services of best carrier here. We Indians enjoy best call rates in the world.
38. askbingask (Posts: 22; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
u r saying airtel worst network so which one is the best im on airtel and its too good but call rate are high
40. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
I don't know which is the best but well MTNL/Docomo are cheap offer great coverage.
41. eisenbricher (Posts: 970; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
I know... Airtel is the worst. Used it in the past for 2 years then switched to Vodaphone. It's simply the best!!
44. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Is it cheap though? I need a great 3G plan, where do you live, New Delhi?
58. eisenbricher (Posts: 970; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
In Mumbai... nah, cheapest 3G you can only get with Tata docomo. I heard that they are offering unlimited 3G + 250TT @ INR250 only. In my case I regularly subscribe 2G data pack of 2GB, monthly. Costs INR149. While for high speed usage I can use wifi when @ home :D
60. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Checked it, the Docomo 3G is available only in Gujarat, Kashmir and some other places. Not in Mumbai.
56. pookiewood (Posts: 550; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
Sadly it's because the price it more than a tablet! The rumors are that the Lumia 920 may be $600-800 off contract. That's insane!
61. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
What's insane in this? Seriously, in many places people buy phones off-contract for sometimes more than that price.
70. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
@No_Nonsense: only T-Mobile and prepaid carriers offer cheaper service than contracted postpaid service, so getting a contract for a phone doesn't make much difference. Not only that, many employers offer discounts, which also incur a contract
79. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
So if I were from the US and not on AT&T, buying a 920 and using it on some prepaid carrier would have made it cheaper than on contract? So why don't people use prepaid service?
7. SIGPRO (Posts: 393; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
I hope Nokia will never choose Android, there is no benefit there. It is the same over and over again, every phone looks the same os wise. WP is refreshing and i think WP8 will do good things for Nokia!
17. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
WP 8 looks EXACTLY the same on the surface as WP 7!
Saying that android is generic shows you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
With android, Nokia would be able to use their hard built software know how, instead of throwing everything through the windows*
Nokia on android would actually look radically different - probably a polished and pumped up Meego with android apps
20. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
But Eflop hates Linux. Ex employe of MS. He is here to tumble down Nokia. Since he took over. Shares have tumbled steeply.
43. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Surface uses Windows 8, a computer OS. Lumia's use Windows PHONE, a mobile OS version of the same kernel. They look significantly different
66. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
I wasn't talking about surface tablet but about the windows phone looks.
On the surface, WP 7 and WP 8 look the same..the same looks for year and a half now - it's not refreshing anymore for sure.
53. Victor.H (Posts: 404; Member since: 27 May 2011)
That's actually a pretty good point indeed. Nokia on Android could easily bring some of that Swipe UI sweetness, if differentiation was really key.
71. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Yeah, but other than app availabilty, there's little incentive to go Android; why not just get the OEMs together to support MeeGo? It's more pleasant and advanced-feeling than Android is, and has benefits that Android can't realize as it's based off a kernel more closely related to computers than mobile devices
86. SIGPRO (Posts: 393; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
How many WP versions we have compared to Android? So yuo do not know what you are talking about......!
And don't cry because Nokia did not chose that crappy/laggy Android!
4. MeoCao (unregistered)
Nokia could have done better with 920 had MS released WP8 sooner.
45. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Presuming the tech was ready then, sure. Android would have done better years ago if they had JB instead of Donut, but neither the phones nor OS were capable of it