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Cyanogen wants to take the “Google” out of Android

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Cyanogen wants to take the “Google” out of Android
At a symposium this past week in San Francisco, Cyanogen CEO Kirt McMaster outlined a combative take about Google and its control over the Android operating system, and a defiant vision for Cyanogen to build an Android operating system without Google being in the picture.

McMaster started his talk with, “I’m the CEO of Cyanogen. We’re attempting to take Android away from Google.”

He further explained that Cyanogen is developing a version of Android which would be open at every level. Something that other developers and partners could utilize to create their own tightly integrated services. Think of stuff that would be able to compete with Google Now, and that paints a broad picture.

“We’re making a version of Android that is more open so we can integrate with more partners so their servicers can be tier one services, so startups working on [artificial intelligence] or other problems don’t get stuck having you have to launch a stupid little application that inevitably gets acquired by Google or Apple. These companies can thrive on non-Google Android,” explained McMaster.

Is Cyanogen concerned that Google might not think too highly of this strategy? No because it sees its future as being Google-free. McMaster says Cyanogen will have its own app store in 18 months.  Of course, there is nothing to stop Google from impeding Cyanogen's plans either.

We are not sure how Cyanogen intends to achieve this vision, given how dependent it currently is on Google and its services (including the control the company has over the platform). Even open source projects need some center mass for an ecosystem to interconnect with and seek guidance from, the Android Open Source Project and Ubuntu are good examples of that.

There will certainly be an issue of how patented technologies or techniques are leveraged in whatever Cyanogen makes. Android may be “free,” but it is not without cost. Even companies that are not directly tied into the AOSP, like Microsoft, receive license fees for patents that are utilized in Android.

source: Android Authority

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posted on 25 Jan 2015, 02:54 53

1. hboy857 (Posts: 349; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)


Go to hell, Cyanogen.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 02:58 21

2. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


Isn't this supposed to be a good thing ?
or a big greedy corporation monopoly is a good thing

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:09 4

4. nlbates66 (Posts: 328; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)


google zealots can seem even more lost a cause than apple zealots these days...

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:17 15

5. dimas (Posts: 1970; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)


If there are applelogists, there are also android fanatics. Way to go cyanogen, if you can come up with a zero google android, I am willing to try that in the future.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 06:49 2

31. joey_sfb (Posts: 5421; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Everything still tied back to two things interest and funding.

Android exist out of Google's fear of being lock out of Windows and Apple platform Ads revenue steam. They are willing to pour billons of dollars to ensure its success.

Anyway, all the best to Cyanogen they make great ROM.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:18

77. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


I still use google search , google + , youtube , google maps on iOS .
If the services are good its not a bad thing , however , monopoly is a bad thing

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 11:35 7

51. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


They already have a google free android, except no body wants it.

It's called CM without gapps.

CM isn't the CM it was when it started. They can go to hell for being an Amazon wannabe.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:19

78. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


You have to root your phone to flash it , and it doesnt have a viable ecosystem , if CM could make a viable ecosystem out of it , why not ?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:17

76. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


More choices is good , wouldn't mind trying it out if cyanogen could create a viable ecosystem.
If i need google services , there is always a web browser

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 09:42 6

45. shuaibhere (Posts: 1983; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Why they want to do it When AOSP is already doing the same..
Android is still open..prime example is NOKIA X series with microsoft services...
This is just Marketing trick from CYANOGEN....

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:20

79. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


Have you ever tried using a windows phone ? Microsoft services kinda sucks lol

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:23

82. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


and the nokia X is running on android that is 3 version behind

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 11:41 6

54. Sharky (Posts: 233; Member since: 24 Jun 2008)


I'm sure Cyanogen will eventually become a greedy corporation. Whether or not it will be big or a monopoly is another story. Just look at how their relationship with One Plus devolved.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:20

80. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


Yeah , sadly

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:06 1

3. tiara6918 (Posts: 2027; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


wouldn't you want more choices?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:25 38

6. tedkord (Posts: 10657; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Absolutely, but the CM guys aren't the ones you want to see doing it. First, their stuff is extremely buggy. Second, if you followed the creation of the company from the grass roots entity it was, they're pretty ruthless jerks. Look up some of the stuff they've pulled.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 19:53

69. elitewolverine (Posts: 5116; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


And google is somehow the nice guy? Please all companies are 'ruthless' hell even google cant be bothered to make a universal app that will reach 1.5billion people...more than their precious android user base.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:22

81. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


I used a OnePlus One , i wouldn't call it a buggy phone
Mind clarify why Cyanogen is evil ?

posted on 26 Jan 2015, 16:06 1

96. Sonar (Posts: 14; Member since: 01 Jul 2014)


You know how they went ahead and signed a deal with Micromax and left all the OPO users in India without any future updates. Right?

I am sure they knew they will not be supporting OTA update to OPO customers in India after signing the contract but did they announce it in advance? NO.

posted on 26 Jan 2015, 17:50

97. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


That's f**ked up

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 06:28 2

26. 87186 (Posts: 264; Member since: 01 Aug 2014)


I thought the whole highpoint of Android, was that it was open source. How is this a bad thing? google is tertible.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 11:36 5

52. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


CM is supposed to be a enthusiasts rom maker, not a crappy organization piggybanking on rom makers's hard word.

Face it, as one site said, CM is just the icing on the cake, and without the cake, no one wants CM.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 19:53 1

70. elitewolverine (Posts: 5116; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Google does this too, they take code from the community given to them and making android better, yet somehow they are holy?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 20:04

73. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


You act as if it is a one way street when Google has contributed to the kernel all the changes it has made, with drivers.

Otherwise I'm not sure what you are referring to.

posted on 26 Jan 2015, 10:42

95. RajRicardo (Posts: 389; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)


Did he give interview in his sleep? That's a lot of dreaming IMHO.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:32 1

7. Settings (Posts: 1497; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


Nokia X made Android favorable to Microsoft so Cyanogen will use which platform?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:35 5

8. hmd74 (Posts: 476; Member since: 31 Jan 2013)


No Way!

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:36 16

9. shahrooz (Posts: 716; Member since: 17 Sep 2013)


why don't they make their own OS then? oh they can't, I think it is not a right thing to do. don't get me wrong we deserve more choices but the end never justifies the means.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 04:53

21. nodes (Posts: 681; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)


i think they can.
it's a good thing and refreshing if they come up with a completely new OS.
the big dogs use the same OS, just have different UIs, in the end it feels the same.
IMO, it's quite boring.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 05:08 7

22. LAKAME_MAN (Posts: 46; Member since: 31 Jan 2013)


Theny why don't they make a new OS instead of relying so much on Google's work?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 12:23 2

56. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Why doesn't Google make its own OS instead of relying so much on the open source community's work?

Google didn't develop the Linux kernel. (Java is an entirely different story, but Google didn't make that either.)

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:26

83. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


Same OS except for Apple with iOS and MS with the failing windows phone

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 05:46 1

23. Smithy5995 (Posts: 9; Member since: 23 Aug 2014)


They have made their own OS. It's called Cyanogen OS

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 07:05 13

33. LAKAME_MAN (Posts: 46; Member since: 31 Jan 2013)


Which is based on Android. More like, they modified an already existing OS, and stamped their name on it. Not that there's anything illegal with that. Just saying.

posted on 20 Feb 2015, 09:44

100. Smithy5995 (Posts: 9; Member since: 23 Aug 2014)


All the leading Android phone manufacturers have based their OS of off Google, however they're all different.

Cyanogen did the same thing and called it Cyanogen OS, if it were illegal I highly doubt big companies would do it as well.

Just FYI, you could be confusing CyanogenMod with Cyanogen OS

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 06:30

27. 87186 (Posts: 264; Member since: 01 Aug 2014)


people are becoming less and les informed on this site.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 17:37

66. roscuthiii (Posts: 2204; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Yes, and the site is perpetuating it.

Sensationalized click-bait articles, so many ads it makes an ad remover a necessity to navigate their webpage, and articles that could be informative... if only the author had provided any actual info/data or even done their research in the first place.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 06:37 4

28. elitewolverine (Posts: 5116; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Wait your telling me Google made its own OS? Or are they using open source to have others supply code, and also buy code for their voice, and even the base of their OS who originally approached other companies like Samsung. If you honestly think google 'made' their own OS, here is a bridge.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 07:25 3

34. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


So you're telling us it was all bought an or done by someone else.

Looks like you bought a bridge from MS!
Did they give you a Gerry can an matches too?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 12:26 3

57. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


If you're going to tell me that Google built its own OS from the ground up, using a kernel which began development before Google even existed; a virtual machine that arguably stole from Sun/Oracle; a browser engine started by, of all companies, Apple; and wrapped it all up in a start-up that they bought, then you're quite frankly delusional.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 15:13 2

63. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Seems to have Googles name on it NOW doesn't it.

I'd call that theirs.

EV is picking apart add ons added along way, while ignoring things like Skype to ms portfolio..
Or Siri to Apple.

Selective trolling.

posted on 26 Jan 2015, 05:08

90. duartix (Posts: 287; Member since: 01 Apr 2014)


Fine irony is being waisted on this crowd.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 19:59

71. elitewolverine (Posts: 5116; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Did I say all?

They did not make the Linux kernel, they did not make the java system, They did not make the core OS either, they bought it. They did not make the OS from the ground up.

However...MS didn't invent DOS either. But unlike google MS did make their OS.

Bought a bridge from MS? I love when MS fans, who know the history probably better than android nuts, are labeled MS gift takers. If that is the case, how is that new 'insert retarded gift here' from google?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 22:06 1

86. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Sure seemed implied.

So you say they were selling Samsung someone else's wares outright?

They've cleated air in courts with Oracle, art is theirs, every single app intertwined is theirs..
In fact all the stuff that makes this hack os the world leader are theirs or were added along way legally like other eco systems such as ms an apple hypocrite.
WP should consider itself lucky to get browser access even to gapps.

MS is here today because they cornered every competitor in their history an either neutered their wares on windows or took the ideas an made them their own, apple had a good teacher young man. If that didn't work OEM were forced to not include alternatives by your savoir ms.
UK courts had balls an slapped ms otherwise everything would have that predators DNA on it today. Now ms burns their offspring when the uselessness of it shows.
What ever, the mashup known as Android has nearly decimated WP to a footnote in history, along with Apple I mean, the top OSes set the bar that ms may reach but no one cares.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 07:49 9

38. hemedans (Posts: 477; Member since: 01 Jun 2013)


many people are ignorant about android. there is aosp and oha.

OHA- this is google's android (open handset alliance) it is the one found on samsung, lg, htc, sony, xiaomi and other major manufacuters. to be able to use google's android you must install google service. google has control over it

-AOSP aka android open source project. this is the real android and google do not have control over it even google's android originate from here. example of company use aosp are amazon fire device, cyanogen, nokia and other custom rom maker.

if you want freedom, you hate bloatware, then aosp is the way but only problem is that you wont have google service.

if other companies join here maps, and create ecosystem for aosp then soon google will fall. latest data show that google is losing on android and more than 30% of android device are aosp

https://www.abiresearch.com/press/q4-2013-smartphone-os-results-is-google-losing-con

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 11:38 4

53. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


That's from over a year ago.

If people want non google phones, well, that's fine and dandy. But Here maps is not Google maps, and no one can just easily duplicate what Google has done.

Just ask Apple about that.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:30

84. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


Here maps is a very good alternative to google maps
Great turn by turn navigation and offline mode .
I been using it before i even got my android phone

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:37 4

10. cyborg009 (Posts: 112; Member since: 17 Sep 2011)


Good Joke!

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:39 6

11. torr310 (Posts: 794; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


I tried CM but felt the bugs would keep it away as my daily driver.
It doesn't seem a very polished system to me.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:42

12. Tritinum (Posts: 471; Member since: 06 May 2014)


that is not a smart thing to do,without google's support android wouldn't be anywhere.

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:43 6

13. RareCandy (banned) (Posts: 61; Member since: 20 Nov 2014)


Android useless enough said :)

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 04:37

17. sip1995 (Posts: 1563; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


You nailed it.....

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 06:22 3

25. Tritinum (Posts: 471; Member since: 06 May 2014)


well the american eagle is back with some more s**t to say

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 03:46 5

14. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1046; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)


Oneplus one > nexus 6.

Price tells everything

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 04:37 2

18. sip1995 (Posts: 1563; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


You nailed it too....

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 07:26 2

35. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


If that the case based on price, wouldn't that bottom feeder ms be in better shape?

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 08:36 7

41. hohoho (Posts: 65; Member since: 12 Dec 2014)


>yellow screen
>exploding batteries
>dead pixels
>selling refurbished phones as "new"
>uninsulated digitizer cable causes touchscreen problems
>wifi issues
>no customer support
>forum censorship instead of solving issues
>buggy cyanogenmod

no thanks, oneplus one is a scam

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:06 1

75. TriggerHappyaPanda (Posts: 1; Member since: 25 Jan 2015)


I'll have you know that I haven't had any of these issues since I bought it 3 months ago... And the refurbished phones were a rumour

posted on 25 Jan 2015, 21:32

85. Mercedes-Benz (banned) (Posts: 403; Member since: 18 Jan 2015)


My dad's working fine but my rooomate's seems to have crappy touchscreen

posted on 26 Jan 2015, 06:41

92. bloodline (Posts: 706; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


i have had the oneplus one since November and I have not seen any other these lol

Only 1 crash which came from the photo gallery.

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