Android goes entirely 64-bit with the L release, gets a huge performance boost
1. Hammerfest (Posts: 370; Member since: 12 May 2012)
And yet my Nexus 10 will only run ART when I use CM or a 3rd party firmware... (and its blazing, but nothing runs as well as Stock sadly)
Of course the N10 is not 64bit, but saying art is entirely 64bit... well, apparently ITS NOT!
13. ojdidit84 (Posts: 421; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
So... Because you're using the beta version of the ART runtime in KK, you're saying that it's not entirely 64-bit? You are aware that 32-bit instructions can be run on 64-bit machines right? Also, it's still in beta on KK and can be fairly unstable with some apps. It's cool to try out and all but Dalvik is still more stable in KK even if it is slower.
15. Hammerfest (Posts: 370; Member since: 12 May 2012)
right... your thinking BACKWARDS... they said "ART is entirely 64-bit", and yet its running on non 64bit processor's which is the statement I made... welcome to reading 101
19. ojdidit84 (Posts: 421; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
No, I understand exactly what you wrote. The point is, it's still in beta. Meaning not a finished product. If Android 5.0 is going to be full 64-bit, then the finished product is OBVIOULSY going to be written in 64-bit, genius. Imagine that, they're testing their run-time on their 32-bit OS to see what gains they'll be able to see when they finally switch it all to 64-bit. Go figure...
37. Hammerfest (Posts: 370; Member since: 12 May 2012)
My point still stands, "ART is entirely 64-bit" is incorrect.
38. ojdidit84 (Posts: 421; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
If it's going to be compatible with MIPS, ARM & x86, there will most likely be different instruction sets for the runtime to work on each platform. So the 64-bit version of ART very well will be completely 64-bit. That's like saying Windows x64 isn't truly x64 because there's a version that runs on x86 architecture as well. You're grasping at straws here...
54. elitewolverine (Posts: 2384; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
well no not really, because there is two different installs, 32bit and 64bit. It is not one install like android L. So ye kind of has a 'point'. Though i dont see what it is. Other than being a bigger install file and footprint on the device itself.
2. apple4never (Posts: 993; Member since: 08 May 2013)
will the 64bit help devices like the S4, Z1 or any 32bit phone in terms of speed or just the new 64 bit ones?
5. Busyboy (unregistered)
Probably both, since people even now are using the new ART runtime and are seeing some speed improvements.
30. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1315; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
ART will help, but there are no Android devices that can run 64-bit anything.
4. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3641; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Now I'm seriously confused!! Android L is official or not?
7. Busyboy (unregistered)
45. fzacek (Posts: 2319; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
The actual candy name hasn't been decided yet...
8. iGeek (Posts: 169; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
64-Bit ? I though it useless with Devices with RAM less than 4 GB !! Now it's awesome eh ?
10. Busyboy (unregistered)
Well, 64-bit processors aren't even out for Android yet, and when they are they will probably have 4GB of RAM or higher. All this article says is that when the processors are out with 64-Bit architecture, the software will support it and utilize it...SO not sure what your saying...
11. Keas51 (Posts: 4; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)
"It will also allow much larger RAM memory quantities to be addressed"
iGeek read the article before you comment please.
44. Iodine (Posts: 586; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
The first 64-bit android devices will have 1-2 GB of RAM and possibly never get updated to this android. So if all android fans think that Apple top to bottom 64-bit integration is rated as "gimmick" what you will say on that 64-bit platform mess coming to android ?
12. tedkord (Posts: 5529; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Have you seen a device with Android L that had less than 4gb of ram? No? So you're talking out your arse? Yes.
14. iGeek (Posts: 169; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
Have you seen a device with Android L that had MORE than 4gb of ram? No? So you're talking out your arse? Yes.
16. Commentator (Posts: 2560; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Has anyone seen a device with Android L...?
20. iGeek (Posts: 169; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
Yes the demo unit ;) The Nexus 5s ! Note : They don't have 4GB of RAM neither 64 bit Processor so I don't see what you are trying to say ?
22. tedkord (Posts: 5529; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
That's the point - it doesn't exist, so your original comment was, well...dumb.
27. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1331; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
His point is that people dissed Apple for making iOS 64 bit, mainly for being useless with less than 4 GB. Now that Google announces 64 bit, it's awesome, even when there aren't devices with 4 GB yet.
32. bestmvno (Posts: 189; Member since: 07 Mar 2014)
The OS isn't even out yet until the fall. There are already rumors of 4GB Android phones on the Horizon. It is now up to the manufacturers to include 4GB of ram or more in a mobile phone as the OS will now support it. On top of that, this update is more than just for mobile phones. ART supports all platforms including x86 devices which means you could see it on a laptop, and or as a platform to replace ChromeOS and more. Those devices certainly do support 4GB of ram. Many devices outside of mobile phones run Android. Can you say the same for Apple? Apple most certainly did release a x64 bit phone strictly for marketing purposes.
33. willard12 (Posts: 918; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Then he has no point. Apple was dissed for making the PROCESSOR 64 bit without giving the PROCESSOR 4 GB of RAM....not IOS.
34. iGeek (Posts: 169; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
Really ? I think you don't know anything about tech in general. Do you think Apple just made the processor 64 bit. You dude should seriously read more. iOS was one of the first if not the first Mobile OS to support 64-bit ! Man what kind of ignorance is that. Apple gave developers the ability to make 64-bit Apps and if you have ever seen an iOS simulator you see you have the 32 and 64 bit separated. Please be sure of what you comment ! With respect
36. j2001m (Posts: 120; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
But unlike apple upgrades for apps will not be needed for 64bit for most apps, so most apps get the speed upgrade
40. iGeek (Posts: 169; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
Still Apps on iPhone will start faster ! My friend and I once put my Note 3 and his iPhone 5s head to head in App Launching. I'm sorry to say he one in every app we tested. I hope the new ART get things better ;)
41. tedkord (Posts: 5529; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
His point is pointless. If there were devices with L floating around and less than 4gb, then he world have a point. There aren't.
And yes, any devices released with 64bit architecture and hardware with less than 3gb of ram, even on Android, have mostly pointless 64bit.
9. AfterShock (Posts: 3394; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Nexus in 64, it was rumored, not that it isn't still.
Just seems to be adding up.
17. superfans (Posts: 153; Member since: 30 Jul 2012)
I guess apple did put a lot of pressure to the industry on the 64-bit huh ?
21. Vexify (banned) (Posts: 570; Member since: 16 Jun 2014)
As much as I'd hate to admit this, the reason for MOST if not ALL these good featurephones and their innovations is because Apple pushes them to be. Companies are constantly trying to take customers away from Apple every day. I worked for Samsung last year, and my manager was obsessed with Apple and taking away from them. Companies don't fight to over take Sony, or Samsung, or LG. They fight to be the new Apple. Apple sets a trend and the industry follows. History has showed this to us many many times.
Disclaimer to Haters and Fanboys: Just because my words are in favor of Apple about this, doesn't make me a "fanboy". Do not get butt hurt. Do not get offended. And most importantly, accept the obvious and carry on.
23. tedkord (Posts: 5529; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
So much pressure that ARM announced 64bit processor time lines a year before Apple came out with the A7.
28. HansGoneInsane (Posts: 410; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)
Yea because Apple must have worked on their 64bit A7 chip for at least 1 year longer then.
42. tedkord (Posts: 5529; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Do you remember the part where everyone was surprised by the A7 and iOS 7 being 64bit? No one knew a year prior, therefore ARM was not pressured.
And BTW, the reason everyone was surprised was not that 64bit was unexpected (it was well known as the next logical step, following the progression in desktop CPUs). It was because the iPhone usually lags behind others in hardware.
24. xMichaelDuncanx (Posts: 16; Member since: 12 Jun 2014)
Note 4 with the Exynos 5433 processor should be just as fast as HTC One M8 cause Exynos 5433 is 64-bit but Sadly Touchwiz will probably slow it right down even though it has 3GB Ram with 64- bit processor and 64-bit software, really Note 4 should be faster than iPhone 5s cause iPhone 5s has 64-bit processor and not 64-bit software where Note 4 will have both 64-bit processor and 64-bit software but Touchwiz will still slow it down :(
31. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1315; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
5S has a 64-bit processor, OS, and there are 64-bit apps on iOS.
25. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2036; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
When they get all the necessary hardware in place (RAM) and have all the software (apps) switched over to 64 bit, then we'll see what it can actually do for the platform. Otherwise to me it's still a sales gimmick. Like putting a supercharger on a motor and not installing the drive belt.
35. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6804; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Google could of use something better than 64 bit. Let Apple keep their processor.
39. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Oooh.. Expect manufacturers to promise software updates, but release phone upgrades from entry to high-end, software updats to the high-end, of course, way after the new phones.
43. kabilan.ravi (Posts: 13; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)
I am using 64bit OS in my iPhone 5S almost 8 month. Oh, Android.....
47. fzacek (Posts: 2319; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
Does it make a difference? No. 64-bit makes no difference on a phone with 512MB of RAM. It's just another one of Apple's deceiving marketing tricks...
49. illusionmist (Posts: 127; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
Confused hater is confused. Go read something about Apple A7 and all those 64-bit talk that has been settled for ages. AnandTech is a good start.
53. Busyboy (unregistered)
FYI the iPhone 5s has 1gb of RAM
46. fzacek (Posts: 2319; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
I'm confused. Is 64-bit a firmware or hardware thing? Because on PC, 32-bit and 64-bit are decided by firmware. But I guess that's because all PC's have 64-bit hardware that can run both 32-bit and 64-bit firmware. PA should make an article explaining 64-bit in more depth...
51. kaikuheadhunterz (Posts: 851; Member since: 18 Jul 2013)
Could be a hardware thing. A 32-bit processor can only run 32-bit software, but a 64-bit processor can run both 32-bit & 64-bit software.
Quick clarification: Not all PCs have 64-bit hardware. Some PCs running Windows XP and below have 32-bit hardware.
50. RajRicardo (Posts: 107; Member since: 28 Feb 2014)
People who bought Snapdragon 801 phones will start crying in 3....2....1....
52. xMichaelDuncanx (Posts: 16; Member since: 12 Jun 2014)
The Note 4 with Exynos 5433 is on the new ARM A53 A57, I Thought it the new ARM A57 A53 is automatically the new ARMv8 but they I saw that even though the Exynos 5433 has A53 A57 It's not on the ARMv8 which I find really weird cause I thought cause the Exynos has A57 A53 I thought it would be on the ARMv8 but it's not, I take it that it's on ARMv7 or something.