Check out Bill Barr's wild plan to freeze out Huawei from global 5G networks

Check out Bill Barr's wild plan to freeze out Huawei from global 5G networks
The United States really has it in for Huawei. Branded a threat to national security, banned from its U.S. supply chain, unable to sell its advanced networking equipment to rural U.S. carriers via the Universal Service Fund (USF), and blocked from selling its phones through U.S. carriers, it would seem that the Trump administration would be happy if Huawei just closed up shop altogether and went out of business.

Fearful that Huawei's products contain a backdoor that will send private information to Beijing, the U.S. has tried to get allies not to use the company's networking equipment for their 5G networks. Australia, France, and Japan heeded the warnings, Germany and Britain did not. That's because Huawei's networking equipment is considered at least a year ahead of the gear offered by rivals like Nokia and Ericsson. And because of its ties to China's state-run bank, Huawei can offer generous financing terms.

Attorney General Barr says that the U.S. should buy Nokia and Ericsson


With cutting-edge technology and the best financing terms, Huawei is the largest supplier of networking equipment in the world. But recently, White House economic adviser Lawrence Kudlow revealed that the U.S. is looking to replace some of Huawei's hardware with software that can run over hardware made by any manufacturer. Kudlow said that U.S. firms involved in this plan include Microsoft Corp., Dell Inc., and AT&T Inc. Kudlow added that "The big-picture concept is to have all of the U.S. 5G architecture and infrastructure done by American firms, principally. That also could include Nokia and Ericsson because they have big U.S. presences." He also mentioned that the goal is to use the cloud to replace some of the equipment used on 5G networks. "Dell and Microsoft are now moving very rapidly to develop software and cloud capabilities that will, in fact, replace a lot of the equipment." An economist by trade, Kudlow said, "To quote Michael Dell, 'Software is eating the hardware in 5G.'"


Reuters reports that on Thursday, Attorney General William Barr floated a plan that would have the U.S. take control of Nokia and Ericsson. The pair are headquartered in Finland and Sweden respectively. The Attorney General added that this would be done "by the United States aligning itself with Nokia and/or Ericsson," and "through American ownership of a controlling stake, either directly or through a consortium of private American and allied companies. Putting our large market and financial muscle behind one or both of these firms would make it a far more formidable competitor and eliminate concerns over its staying power, or their staying power. We and our closest allies certainly need to be actively considering this approach." But Kudlow quickly shot down that plan and said that the "U.S. government is not in the business of buying companies, whether they’re domestic or foreign." He did note that "there’s nothing to prohibit American tech companies from acquiring (the companies)."

Vice President Mike Pence responded to Barr's plan by saying, "Great respect to Attorney General Barr, but we believe the best way forward is what (FCC Chairman) Ajit Pai announced just over the last several days. That’s the plan the president has endorsed and will be carrying forward. Pence said that the U.S. can build out the 5G networks it needs "by using the power of the free market and American companies." The VP is referring to plans that the FCC has to auction off much-needed mid-band spectrum in the C-band (3.7GHz to 4.2GHz range). While this additional spectrum will broaden the ability of 5G signals to cover all of the country, it isn't clear how it will help carriers avoid Huawei's networking gear.

It would cost the U.S. government more than $53 billion to purchase Nokia and Ericsson at their current valuations, and stockholders would require a premium to give them an incentive to sell their shares to the U.S. government. Barr's plan didn't make it clear where the money would come from to buy the companies. And as T-Mobile and Sprint know, getting a large deal through regulators (in this case both domestic and foreign) would be like threading the eye of a needle.

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42 Comments

39. joenodden

Posts: 15; Member since: May 09, 2019

A year ahead of US competition so the US wants to ban them. Sad.

35. ScottsoNJ56

Posts: 176; Member since: Oct 01, 2017

Meanestgenius, I never said you said China doesn't spy. I said the maybe the government can't produce the proof for other reasons. I am not blinded. I know the prejudice people of color and alternative lifestyle endure. Do I know the extent. No. I don't even think you know how bad it is. But thankfully it is changing. Not as fast as it should but it is changing. But I would never want a communist country to have access to our inner workings of government. I would feel the same if it was Iran,North Korea, Russia etc. Just because our country does really bad things doesn't mean I would want to jeopardize our freedom. If you want to think that the only reason the government doesn't want Huawei equipment is because we are afraid of not being #1 and not being able to control who/what/how our country spies that is your right. Unfortunately we as Americans have 2 choices. Believe the government or believe the people who oppose the government. And since the people who oppose the government can't protect me I will believe the people who can protect me.

38. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

Scott, “Just because they haven't provided proof doesn't mean China doesn't or can't spy. And if you really believe China is this wholesome company that is being bullied I really think you are in denial.” That’s from your comment #23. That’s you insinuating exactly what I said you are. Don’t backtrack and try to change up your comment now that I’ve pointed out what you said. The U.S. government can’t show proof because there is no proof. You’re in absolute denial about that, and about how nefarious the U.S. government has always been. No, you don’t know the extent of prejudice, profiling, murder and complete wrongdoings that POC face in this country, so do yourself a favor and stop trying to say something is worse than it when you don’t live it every day. The only thing that’s changing about it is that it from being blatantly out in the open to being “undercover”, and now it’s back to being blatantly out in the open thanks to who is in office right now. The people who commit these atrocities and subscribe to that way of thinking have been emboldened. It’s so bad now that the FBI has now labeled White Supremacy as much of a threat as Isis now. It’s not changing for the better, it’s getting worse. But as usual, those tray don’t live it every day always speak on it with rose colored glasses on, in complete denial of the reality of it all. I don’t want ANY government that treats its people inhumanly to have access to spy on me, whether it be a communist regime or a fascist regime posing as a democracy. POC do not enjoy the same freedoms that you “privileged” folks do, so just stop speaking on what you don’t know, experience, and live every day in this country. This is 100% the U.S. government not able to compete on a technological level, so they want to stifle everyone else. You’re in complete denial if you believe otherwise. I don’t believe any government that deals in institutionalized racism, the profiling of POC, excessive lying, killing its own citizens, and warmongering across the planet all in an effort to force its warped ideals on others, or to take what others have that they want. I don’t care what you believe. It’s of zero consequence to me. But don’t ever try and tell me that what I and other POC have been experiencing in this country since our ancestors were brought over in chains isn’t as bad as somewhere else. That’s ridiculous.

40. ScottsoNJ56

Posts: 176; Member since: Oct 01, 2017

That's what is great about our country, you believe "This is 100% the U.S. government not able to compete on a technological level" and I believe there is a real chance they will be able to get into our government and harm the people of this country. And if you think it's getting worse instead of better than I think you are looking at things through those rose colored glasses you speak of. Can I ask you a question? If this country is so backwards,prejudice and a danger to live in why not go to another country? I'm not telling you to leave so please don't take it that way. I am honestly curious why you stay

41. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

What you or I believe has no bearings on whether this is a great country or not, which I believe it isn’t due to the abhorrent and unjustified mistreatment of people like me of a darker hue. How could I be looking at anything rose colored if the situation is getting worse? You do know what is meant by looking through rose colored glasses, don’t you? Because it sure doesn’t seem like it. And once again, you respond with the racist rhetoric of “America: Love it or Leave it”. Very typical of “privileged” individuals such as yourself that don’t have a clue or have ever experienced the injustices rendered against POC by this counties government.

42. ScottsoNJ56

Posts: 176; Member since: Oct 01, 2017

I'm a privileged individual? You have that mentality of us against them. Everyone who isn't a POC is privileged. Stop playing a victim. I asked you a serious question but again you respond with my answer is "racist rhetoric of “America: Love it or Leave it” I Didn't say love it or leave it. That's what you heard. Listen to Candace Owens. She explains everything POC are doing and saying. Trump is President of this country. He will be President after the next election. Deal with it

43. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

You are 100% privileged when it comes to you compared to POC like me. I’m not playing a victim, I’m pointing out facts. Are you playing a victim when you speak about the ills you faced living in China? Once again, you respond with classic racist rhetoric, and I have already confirmed that you are a racist from a past conversation we’ve had. You literally said “why not go to another country” when I pointed out that abhorrent treatment of POC in this country, and now you’re saying I’m playing a victim, so yeah, you are basically saying “America: Love it or leave it”. Same thing, just different words to get the same point across. I don’t give a fck what Candace Owens said. She doesn’t speak for me or every POC in this country. You can’t tell me how to act or feel concerning the mistreatment of POC like myself in this country. You don’t live it. You are pulling classic racist stunts with your responses. Trump is as racist as they come. To support him means you are one either one yourself, as I’ve already confirmed, and as you have just now confirmed for me again, or that you are completely fine with white supremacy. These are facts. Deal with it.

44. ScottsoNJ56

Posts: 176; Member since: Oct 01, 2017

You're such a racist. Poor me, I'm a POC. I do give a fck what she says. She speaks the truth. You just want to be a victim. Boo Hoo I'm a POC so I'd better get my way GTFOH. The facts are Trump is President. He will be reelected and you can't do s**t about it

45. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

Lmao don’t project your racist ways onto me. It’s what you are, so own it. I don’t care who you care about that says what. Me speaking facts isn’t playing the victim, it’s me not allowing racist POS like you to trivialize what actual POC go through. I love the fact that I got you to reveal your racist nature again. You make this too easy for me lmao. You aren’t a POC either, so cut that BS out. You already told me that you’re Caucasian on a different article a while back. The fact that you have to lie to try and make a point only shows how much of simpleton you are. And yes, even I know that the racist POTUS that supports rape culture and has mentioned that he would sleep with his own daughter is going to get re-elected. Too many @$$-hats like you that support racism, rape culture and incestuous behavior exist in the U.S. that are going to vote for him again. I’m not surprised that you support all of the above.

6. Jason2k13

Posts: 1491; Member since: Mar 28, 2013

You can disappear or go to jail for 10 years if you say anything negative about the Chinese government. So yes I would prefer Trump spying on me than the Chinese.

7. maherk

Posts: 7114; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

If Trump had as much power as the dictators in China, he would be doing the same if not worse to anyone who dares to criticize him. And that's not me speculating, that's based on his own words where he always floated the idea of silencing his critics, especially while doing his monologs in his stand-up tour.

13. Nokfan1603

Posts: 84; Member since: Mar 13, 2013

Reply to maherk; Maybe Trump has even more power. In Trumpistan people believe that they live in the land of the free, with opportunities for everyone and the best country on earth, fighting in the world against "evil" dictators and communists. This makes Americans obedient and nourishes endless wars all over the world. In the history of the US there have only been few years without the country being at war. Malaysia's prime minister said that China had been a neigbor for thousands of years and never invaded. Westerners reached Malaysia and invaded it after few years.

18. Venom

Posts: 4137; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

That's not how it works. Trump is outspoken, yes, but that doesn't mean he's able to be a dictator. You're just trying to make excuses for the Chinese government being in the back pockets of Huawei.

20. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

That’s exactly how it works, and if you believe otherwise, you’re fooling yourself. This government has committed, and continues to commit, atrocities that are on par or greater than what China has committed. It’s your “privilege” that allows you to be blind concerning any wrongdoings the U.S. government commits.

27. Venom

Posts: 4137; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

Really? So you're telling me that a country, a communist country no doubt, that doesn't allow social media and tends have very strict laws against their own citizens is better than the US where I can vote who I don't like out of office? You are the one who is blind and apparently on something if you really think China is better.

29. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

Due to your “privilege”, you and others like you have it much better in the U.S. than those born of a darker hue like myself, or of a nationality of African decent. The U.S. government is just as bad as the Chinese government, if not worse. You talk about “where you can vote who you don’t like out of office”, but your “privilege” is blinding you to the fact of rigged elections and people in government stacking the deck for their “chosen savior”. Congress even has to vote every 25 years to see if those of a darker hue can still vote in this country, even if you were born here/are a U.S. citizen. And then there is the rampant profiling of Black and Brown people, institutionalized racism, the justice system rigged to be against black and brown people, and the list goes on. Do you remember “Black Wall Street” and what happened when Black and Brown people built a self sufficient town for themselves? Probably not. The U.S. government happily bombs innocents, women and children of other counties, and happily changes any regime in other countries that doesn’t suit the U.S. narrative. But your “privilege” won’t even allow you to acknowledge the existence of everything I just said, so spare me your blinded by the star spangled flag rhetoric. The U.S. government is just as bad, if not worse, than the Chinese government.

8. Papa_Ji

Posts: 930; Member since: Jun 27, 2016

and i prefer the one which has still no proof of spying against the one one who has countless spying proof all around the world. And the US is the most inhuman country... almost all the wars and terrorist have roots from US

10. dimas

Posts: 3468; Member since: Jul 22, 2014

Dude, just because there's no proof, as long as the company is tied up to the communist, they will always be up to something. We don't evidence that you lie to your parents but that doesn't mean you don't do it, right? US is the most inhuman country? Your beloved chinese govt. supress public info regarding ncov since sept 2019 discovery. They even give "PR incentives" to govt. employees who will turn over chinese critics, right or wrong. Chinese govt. think they are doing well now but they are stupid to ignore doctor warnings and now their country is suffering, if U.S. is inhuman, chinese govt. is as greedy as s**t with popularity rating and money.

16. Papa_Ji

Posts: 930; Member since: Jun 27, 2016

whatever they are doing is in there own country.... and what about US army killing millions of people in small and less powerful countries like..... IRAQ IRAN SYRIA LIBYA VENEZUELA AFGHANISTAN YEMEN NORTH KOREA VIETNAM... any many more ALL most every war and terrorist groups have roots from US

17. Venom

Posts: 4137; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

I agree Dimas. People talk about the US yet China is a COMMUNIST country. Huawei is tied up with the Chinese government yet the Huawei apologists continue to sing praise and act like nothing is amiss.

22. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

The U.S. government is a fascist government now, especially with who is in charge. You and everyone else claiming so have yet to provide any proof that Huawei is tied to the Chinese government. You and the Huawei haters are just on the attack because of your irrational dislike for a company because of where it originates from, which screams profiling.

11. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

What Maherk said is correct. Trump has has gone as far mentioning that he would silence critics, what would happen to a certain ethnic group in the U.S. if this were “the good old days” when one of his speeches got disrupted, and more. The U.S. government has also made people “disappear”, have had people assassinated, and has had people unjustly jailed. So NO, I wouldn’t want China or the U.S. to spy on me, or any other government for that matter.

28. Venom

Posts: 4137; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

No, it's called documented facts. You calling it profiling is just you making excuses and putting China on pedestal they don't belong on. What Maherk said is just pure exposition.

30. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

Where are the documented facts? When I have I ever put China on a pedestal as opposed to point out how the U.S. government is just as bad as the Chinese government? Post proof of me ever saying China is better than the U.S., or you’re a flat out liar. Don’t run or deflect from this. Post the proof. What Maherk said is pure facts, but thanks for revealing who you’ll be voting for in the upcoming presidential election.

12. Nokfan1603

Posts: 84; Member since: Mar 13, 2013

Responding to Jason2k13: Where do you get this kind of funny info? I lived in China for four years. You can criticize the governement as much as you want. But I have to admit that before going there, I had the same preconception.

5. Subie

Posts: 2476; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

This software solution to more self sustaining infrastructure sounds intriguing. Time will tell how this pans out.

4. tedkord

Posts: 17544; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Wait. Isn't government ownership of industry *gasp* communism? Golly gee, I thought democrats were the communists? Well, I guess if you're going to be financed and supported by Russia, you've got to make a few compromises.

3. Alcyone

Posts: 669; Member since: May 10, 2018

If people only knew what the US government was capable of doing. Sad to say, but luckily their asleep. Most people would deny what the government has done and is still doing. I plan on retiring abroad, looking forward to the better quality of life.

26. Venom

Posts: 4137; Member since: Dec 14, 2017

At least in the US social media isn't banned.

31. meanestgenius

Posts: 23174; Member since: May 28, 2014

That has absolutely nothing to so with what he said. Stop deflecting.

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