Who reset Farook's iCloud account? FBI and San Bernardino point fingers at each other

Who reset Farook's iCloud account? FBI and San Bernardino point fingers at each other
Who reset the iCloud account on the Apple iPhone 5c at the center of all of the controversy between Apple and the federal government? Apple reportedly held an impromptu press conference with certain members of the media on Friday night, with the condition that executives not be quoted or named. During the conference, Apple said that the phone's iCloud password was reset while in government custody.

The problem is that we are dealing with two government agencies, the FBI with its square-jawed suited agents, and the San Bernardino Department of Public Health. The latter actually owned the phone, and gave it to deceased terrorist Syed Farook to help him do his job.

The question now, is which government agency tried to hack into the iPhone in an attempt to pull out information? Which one of the two government entities does that sound like, the FBI or the sleepy little San Bernardino Health Department? With each agency pointing their finger at the other, the latest word is that the San Bernardino Health Department reset the iCloud password at the FBI's request.

It might not really matter which agency was responsible (except to prove that one is lying); an Apple executive said on Friday that had the reset not happened, Apple and the feds wouldn't be battling each other in court right now. Once iCloud backups are disabled, getting information from inside an iPhone becomes a much harder task.


source: TheGuardian

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20. yoosufmuneer

Posts: 1518; Member since: Feb 14, 2015

I am starting to get tired of this drama

16. Inotamira

Posts: 173; Member since: Feb 06, 2016

My give a damn died about 2 days ago on the matter honestly

13. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

It really is all another 9/11 staging, using fear tactics to gain power. Witnesses like the following say they saw 3 white guys in military clothing run off after the shooting, not a couple in the first place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s45OeXNRZng Now I'm reading comments saying that dude has been silenced, just like the 9/11 witnesses (haven't seen any headlines about it yet). Saving offline versions of all these evidences as I come across them...I'm betting that video will soon be silenced (read taken down) too.

17. remtothemax

Posts: 260; Member since: May 02, 2012

why would the government want people to be afraid of the off chance that someone in their office will go nuts? especially because this isn't completely without precedence. just a few months ago that crazy disgruntled guy killed a news caster and cameraman on live television or whatever. there is absolutely no logical reason the government would do something this small to stir up fear. especially since there hasn't been anything close to it in three months. there hasn't even been anything internationally in western countries to build this kind of fear. the paris attacks were an outside cell that attacked. creating fear on the level of 9/11 distantly makes sense. it could possibly serve government purposes. however i completely reject the idea that the american government would actually go through the risk (and botch it, no less, if people on the internet know about it) of killing like nine people in a small town in a small office (of the government? why wouldn't the government at least attack a regular business?) and then not follow it up with any news of anything similar, with no follow up reports of things like the fbi or cia suddenly detecting a spike in potential terrorists and also with news like the fact that twitter's crack down seeming to work to quell isis propaganda? if this is some 9/11 stuff, the american government (which has a pretty good track record of toppling governments and installing regimes covertly, and if you are into conspiracy theories, managed to bring down two skyscrapers in new york without anyone believable picking up on it) somehow managed to botch killing a room full of people. super believable.

21. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

"why would the government want people to be afraid of the off chance that someone in their office will go nuts?" Huh? Don't quite understand this question. "just a few months ago that crazy disgruntled guy killed a news caster and cameraman on live television or whatever." Sources? Please be more specific with names instead of just throwing generic words and insults around. Not sure what you're referring to here, and certainly doesn't match what Farook's attorney describes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51h_o8y4GpA "there is absolutely no logical reason the government would do something this small to stir up fear" How about power and politics? After this attack, Trump was using it as excuse for banning muslims from entering the US and enabling 24/7 surveillance on those in the country due to fear of terrorism (despite 80% of terror attacks since 9/11 being done by US citizens), all to get public's support.http://newsone.com/3286619/donald-trump-wants-to-ban-muslims-from-entering-the-u-s/ Next, we have the FBI using that same attack as excuse to create backdoor in consumer electronics, more power to abuse. "why wouldn't the government at least attack a regular business?" Perhaps 'cause they can't guarantee control of the surveillance footage in those regular business? How can a government building like that not have any actual footage of those who were entering and leaving? Or have they shown any footage recorded by those cameras all this while? Do share... "and then not follow it up with any news of anything similar, with no follow up reports of things like the fbi or cia suddenly detecting a spike in potential terrorists" Uhm, have you been missing all the headlines stating that the iPhone could contain information on other potential terrorist attacks? "managed to bring down two skyscrapers in new york without anyone believable picking up on it" So you're saying none of the following people are beleivable? Or did you just close your eyes and say none of them exist? I'm thinking the latter... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEU61Cw7VCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwKjw5RjPyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiusdy1miI

25. Micah007

Posts: 266; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

So how does one go about creating conspiracy theories?

26. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

If pointing out facts is considered conspiracy theory, then I'm a proud conspiracy theorist. Here's another of my conspiracy theories from a Whistle Blower regarding the 9/11 terror attack; it gave the US power and reason to invade Israel for it's oil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2Fi1rhYqc

27. Micah007

Posts: 266; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

"Facts" Yeeeeaaaahhhhh more like suggestions. For example can you post an actual "fact" that proves 9/11 was staged and not just shaky here and there suggestions? First off where are you from? That might give me better perspective on your stance.

28. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

Suggestions that all paint the same picture and make sense based on deductive reasoning (if you're capable of such). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEU61Cw7VCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwKjw5RjPyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiusdy1miI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgMCw2-aJ0 Better question is, can you prove any of them as invalid? Or what is your proof that it wasn't staged? Ignoramusly believing everything you see on TV? Do some research on "government control of the media" and get a clue about reality...

29. Micah007

Posts: 266; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

Still see none of your "Facts" you talked about earlier. You can post suggestions and create conspiracy theories but don't go tricking people into believing 9/11 being staged was a fact. People lost loved ones you know. Where are you from again?

30. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

So you blind or you're not bothering to watch any of the videos I linked to? In that case, until you can prove you've watched any of those videos and give an explanation of why you disagree, wouldn't bother going on with this discussion as I'm clearly just talking to deaf wall...

31. Micah007

Posts: 266; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

I saw all of the facts, I mean theories, I mean suggestions......sorry. Can you post one "fact" that proves 9/11 was an inside job. I'm just asking for one, you can't blame your inability to do this on government media control. If you're as resourceful as you claim from your previous comments you should have just one "fact" on you. Where are you from again? Feel like answering this. You're not the first to make these claims and further background research into those making these kinds of claims showed a not so flattering (and sane for that matter) background.

32. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

Are you this extremely daft in reality? I sure hope not. If you have a clue about government controlled media, and all the scientific facts and witness statements pointed out in those videos indicate that what the media showed were false, then what does deductive reasoning tell you? BTW, keep trying hard to play the asinine bait switch game, not taking the bait.

33. Micah007

Posts: 266; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

You're not too bright are you? Post a scientific fact from the video and realize "witness statements" can be heavily altered based on context like state of mind (especially during catastrophic events), prior mental history, and the minds tendency to make things up in general. In fact a group experiencing the same event and stating the same things later in "eyewitness" accounts (things that can't be proved for that matter) are not uncommon. Little Physiology 101 for your pleasure ;). Still waiting on that one "fact" that proves 9/11 was an inside job without a shadow of a doubt. Huh? Not quite sure what you're getting at. Could you be more coherent and explain kid? Ahhhhh you're Canadian...........now it's clear.

34. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

"Post a scientific fact from the video" Ah, so you didn't bother watching it, just staying in denial like a fool...whatever, I can't cure extreme stupidity, stick your head in the sand if you think that'll change reality.

40. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

Did you just say, "it gave the US power and reason to invade Israel for it's oil"? Did you mean to type Israel??? You couldn't have. Because, you do know that the US and Israel are,like, pretty tight allies right? Totally besties. I mean, you do know the US was a big proponent of establishing Israel in the first place? In fact, many other conspiracy theorists out there would put Israel as the entity in charge and the US as the puppet... Oh, and that the US, well, never invaded Israel?

41. RebelwithoutaClue unregistered

Was wondering about that too. US will never do anything to harm Israel. Mainly because all the rich jews living in US, pulling strings. In the end, politicians don't have the power, but cooperations and old money have the power.

47. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

See post 46.

46. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

No, I meant Iraq. Watch that linked video.

11. pa_follow

Posts: 19; Member since: Jun 21, 2015

'except to prove one is lying' -- okay that is kind of funny.....I'm rooting for San Bernardino.

24. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

apple should have know which one of them did that.. I know they have log aboud precise time when did that reset happens, so they can check, which side have access to that phone at that time... (heck, I guess they even log that phone location, public IP, cell ID, and other sutff, but they just didnt want to share it -_- )

9. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

"the FBI with its square-jawed suited agents"? "the sleepy little San Bernardino Health Department'? Your adjectives reveal your own personal viewpoints on the matter? Is this an editorial? I'd been under the impression this was Farook's personal mobile phone, but... "The latter actually owned the phone, and gave it to deceased terrorist Syed Farook to help him do his job."??? This was not his phone? This was a provided work phone? Owned by a local government agency? Doesn't seem like there is any question then whether or not this phone should be unlocked.

10. Alan01

Posts: 670; Member since: Mar 21, 2012

Adjectives like the ones you cite are written to bring an image to mind. In the U.S., there is the image of the FBI agent looking like Dick Tracy. And yes, compared to the sprawling FBI, the San Bernardino Health Agency is small. Those adjectives don't reveal anything about my personal opinion on the matter. As far as the phone is concerned, yes, the phone was given to Farook as part of his employment with the Health Agency. Regards, Alan F.

14. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

Yes, it's true they don't technically reveal your own personal opinions. And yes, they help bring an image to mind. Got me there. Oh, however... among the all of the adjectives out there to choose from to create this image, you paint the proverbial picture of David vs Goliath?

22. Micah007

Posts: 266; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

"In the U.S., there is the image of the FBI agent looking like Dick Tracy. " Not sure where you got that from but if anything, the common image is that of the "Men in Black". Your info seems dated.

18. AlikMalix unregistered

roscuthiii, the difference between writing like this and writing just facts is like the difference ebetween a car show and Top Gear!!! I would probably not watch some car show, but I would never miss a top gear episode.

39. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

Alik, the difference between writing like this and Top Gear is that TG makes it entertaining for all. Alan paints polarizing pictures. It doesn't have to be just the facts, I'm not saying that.. it can indeed be exciting too. Since you mention Top Gear, here's a little ditty from a while back: http://www.topgear.com/car-news/challenger-vs-camaro-vs-corvette-vs-mustang Now just look at that vehicle list. A cornucopia for fanboy muscle car aficionados. A perfect opportunity to rile up enthusiast sensibilities for views/clicks. They tell you the outcome from the beginning, but you just read it and tell me if they paint as polarizing a picture as PA does for page views.

5. Micah007

Posts: 266; Member since: Oct 09, 2014

I'm not sure what's going on anymore with this.

7. kajam

Posts: 222; Member since: Jun 24, 2015

iFan kids defending apple

3. Unordinary unregistered

No clue but PA you should warn your Android users of that newest dangerous virus that steals your banking info and credentials. Pretty risky.

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