Still a gimmick? Qualcomm announces its first (low-end) 64-bit mobile processor

Still a gimmick? Qualcomm announces its first (low-end) 64-bit mobile processor
Qualcomm quietly moved the man who made the unwise comment calling Apple's new 64-bit A7 a "gimmick", but the company isn't going to escape the comment so easily, especially now that it is announcing its own 64-bit mobile processor. Obviously, it has been said here that while the chip is powerful, in its current use Apple's A7 is more of a marketing gimmick. Right now, the benefits are limited in the iOS devices that exist now, but we're not a processor manufacturer, so we're allowed to say things like that.

The strangest thing about Qualcomm's announcement today is that the 64-bit Snapdragon 410 that it revealed is designed for low-end devices, meaning it will have just as little benefit as Apple's A7. The devices that will be using the Snapdragon 410 will not have anywhere near 4GB of RAM, and while Android has 64-bit support built-in because of its Linux heritage, the system and the apps are not optimized at all. Very strange indeed, although we can see the benefits of 64-bit on the horizon.

The Snapdragon 410 will have support for high-speed LTE and better graphics. It is essentially an upgrade to the Snapdragon 400 (as you could guess from the number) that you'd find in the Moto G - it is overall faster and it has 64-bit support. The processor will be hitting devices in the second half of 2014. 

No word on when we'll hear about the Snapdragon 810, which is what you all likely really want to know about. Given that Qualcomm announced the Snapdragon 400, 600, and 800 this past January, so we're it seems likely that announcement of the Snapdragon 610 and 810 (presumed names) will be coming next month. 

source: AllThingsD




Posts: 27; Member since: Apr 13, 2011

they should make snapdragen 815(805+64bit)

29. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

you guys just don't get it do you .. leave aside 64 bit ... this is Arm v8 based means new instruction set .. means faster performance ... as per anandtech performance will be 2.7 dmips .. meaning 10-20 % faster than cortex a9 cpu .. present cortex a7 is just at 1.9 dmips.. it will be rocking in low end this is the best news.. Krait cores have 3.0 dmips.. this quad core would actually be worthy of the name "quad core" and not those weak cortex a7 .. then you have adreno 306 which should be significantly faster than adreno 305

18. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

CES will be great when they announce the 64-bit Snapdragon 810. :)

17. kaikuheadhunterz

Posts: 1157; Member since: Jul 18, 2013

I hope this processor is priced more or less the same as the Snapdragon 400

30. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

"Qualcomm says that phones running its Snapdragon 410 processors will sell for around the $150 mark or less" yipeeeeeee... :D

33. kaikuheadhunterz

Posts: 1157; Member since: Jul 18, 2013

Don't really trust that info. Even current phones with the Snapdragon 400 sell for more than $200

13. hurrycanger

Posts: 1776; Member since: Dec 01, 2013

Qualcomm's logic: It's a gimmick until we do it. B-)

10. crazymonkey05

Posts: 189; Member since: Nov 20, 2012

Waiting for the release of the S810? come on the 805 has barley been released and no Manufacture has yet to use the 805. but dont get me wrong i would love to see the 810 take on the likes of the Nvidia Tegra 5.

24. bigstrudel

Posts: 621; Member since: Aug 20, 2012

The 805 is barely different enough to even be called a re-hash of the 800. Quad Core is and has been a gimmick to begin with. There's a reason Apple and Intel are both using efficient, moderately clocked Dual core chips in their new SoC's.

27. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

Let's not start with gimmicks.

31. darkskoliro

Posts: 1092; Member since: May 07, 2012

1...2...4.....8.... ;)

7. mas11

Posts: 1034; Member since: Mar 30, 2012

The need for 64-bit arises once the device uses over 4GB of RAM. Until that is necessary a 64-bit chip will remain a gimmick.

8. darkskoliro

Posts: 1092; Member since: May 07, 2012

You realise that there are many more upgrades in bandwidth etc for the CPU when you switch to 64bit? 4gb ram is only one of the advantages.

15. taikucing unregistered

bandwidth depends on bus width, clock rate & type of memory. 32 & 64 bit CPU is not bus width. But it's the length of instruction code.

25. mas11

Posts: 1034; Member since: Mar 30, 2012

Here is an article from 2009 about 64-bit windows (well before it was in mobile devices)​er-guide-to-64+bit-vs-32+bit-operating-systems

9. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

Yeah, there's no benefit to using the ARMv8 instruction set, or the better handling of decoding audio/video or the improved security inherent in 64-bit. Just keep spewing the same nonsense Michael does. I'm sure he knows better than people who pay attention to actual SoC architecture, like the folks at Anandtech.

23. bigstrudel

Posts: 621; Member since: Aug 20, 2012

And the advantage to staying with the aging ARMv7 instruction set is?

26. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

I don't think you know the advantage of sarcasm?

34. tasior

Posts: 265; Member since: Nov 04, 2012

If You want to have 4GB of RAM You need 64 bit architecture. (2^32 of virtual memory contains not only RAM memory, so practical limit for 32 bit archtecture is 3 GB of ram)... At least in X86 vs X64 architecture. I don't know much about ARM (mobile processors) architecture. If there is someone who specializes in ARM architecture, I'd like to hear his opinion.

1. TerryCrowley

Posts: 194; Member since: Jul 31, 2011

So what? Qualcomm knows it's a gimmick. They also know that it's a smart gimmick. It's just another term for people to use in the spec war that's slowly suffering from diminishing returns. They called Apple on their crap, and decided to copy Apple on their crap cause it's smart.

2. jedpatrickdatu

Posts: 169; Member since: Jan 24, 2013

I agree. It's amazing how anything Apple does, other companies must follow, even if it is worthless, because Apple is seen as the leader.

4. jan25

Posts: 470; Member since: Feb 26, 2012

can't blame them. all the big companies will ask for 64-bit processors so that they can market the hell out of their devices and belittle the iPhone. even if deep down Qualcomm thinks the 64-bit is a gimmick, they won't risk losing market share over it.

5. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Who see's Apple as the leader anymore❔ What have they innovated lately❔.. Do they have Wireless charging, up to four HAAC mics per device, super sensitive touch, 9ms screen refresh times, assertive display technology, advanced camera technology, OIS, and so on❔❔. Lumia devices pack more innovation into a single device than Apple has put in every iPhone for the past six years... Lumia should be the one to follow, and the fact is that the industry has been responding to ever thing that Lumia has innovated in the last few years.. And we're talking about useful features that are used in everyday life, not things that might be useful in the future..

11. jack123

Posts: 278; Member since: Jan 07, 2013

oops! you maybe right. Sometime they may never care what's in there or how useful it is, it's just people favor one thing over another thing.

12. bucky

Posts: 3797; Member since: Sep 30, 2009

Yep, kind of like having octa core processors, eye gestures and so on.

20. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Not that they are bad things, but are we really seeing the full benefits of them on our smartphones❔... Which would you rather have. 80 billion transistors in your next chip, or worlds better battery technology❔... At the point my smartphone performs with its current "outdated" snapdragon DC1.5gz I would just rather my next Lumia have better screen, battery, camera, sound, radio, and software technology as a tradeoff..

14. taikucing unregistered

bla bla bla... more than 1 billion transistors in A7 CPU. That almost reaches the transistor count of 6 cores Intel Core i7 Gulftown (1.17 billion). And for GPU side, it really packs a punch. Apple is still the leader in ARM based CPU. my PC's monitor has 2 ms refresh time. So what?

19. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

You can say blah all you want, but what's more useful in everyday life on a smartphone,, all the things I mentioned, or your one billion transistors❔.. Can you show anyone the advantage❔ However many transistors my Lumia 920's dual core processor has it alows it to do all of the useful things that I mention plenty fast enough, and without issue... I'm not saying that the iPhone is bad by any means because it is superbly developed by every means.. Its just that the original point was about how everyone is following Apple for innovation when they are clearly not... My 920 came out in November of 2012 and it blows away the newest iPhone in innovation, and that's fact❕... And, your argument about your PC's monitor is the most lame ever.. That's like you saying that your iPhone has 4gb of ram and me replying "who cares my PC has 8gb of ram".. Really❔ We're talking about smartphones hear, and to put that 9ms refresh time in perspective for you,, pretty much all modern smartphone screens are around 23ms, that's a huge difference, THAT YOU CAN SEE!

16. vandroid

Posts: 406; Member since: Sep 04, 2012

Their fingerprint scanner is innovative all other oems use the swipe fingerprint scanner which is a POS

21. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

That's nice.. 1 new innovative feature in how many years❔... I'll take all that I mentioned above, and more, over a fingerprint scanner.. Not to say that Apples FP scanner isn't cool, because it's awesome, but that's just not enough to make me wait in line overnight...

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