Nokia wins another injunction against HTC in Germany; ruling covers all Android powered HTC devices

Nokia wins another injunction against HTC in Germany; ruling covers all Android powered HTC devices
Nokia has received an early New Year's present from Judge Dr. Matthias Zigann and the Munich I Regional Court in Germany. The judge handed Nokia an injunction against all Android powered HTC devices in the country, including the HTC One, ruling that HTC had infringed on a Nokia patent. The European patent, EP1148681, covers the transferring of resource information, like a URL address, between two devices connected via Bluetooth or NFC.

HTC will no doubt appeal this ruling, but unless it can convince the judge that it is likely to emerge victorious with its appeal, Nokia will have a chance to block the sale of all of these HTC devices, including forcing a recall from resellers. But in order to protect HTC in case it does win on the appellate level, Nokia will have to post a bond of 400 million EUR ($550 million USD).

Considering that we are talking about the possibility of a permanent, not a preliminary injunction here, there is a lot at stake for HTC. In fact, the patent involved covers something that is on almost every Android model. Nokia is allegedly in the midst of negotiations with Google owned Motorola, to license the patent. HTC, meanwhile, is challenging the validity of Nokia's patent before the Federal Patent Court of Germany.

About ten days ago, Nokia won an injunction against all of HTC's Android powered devices in Germany, from a different group of judges. The patent in that case dealt with the use of a PC's USB port by a smartphone.

source: FOSSPatents via WMPoweruser



52. -box-

Posts: 3991; Member since: Jan 04, 2012

Unlike apple and google, who were quite late to the smartphone/PDA trends (not counting the Newton, that thing was a joke) Nokia actually made the industry what it was, is, and will be, and fully deserve to defend and enforce their developments. Much like Kodak (RIP) did for photography, Ford for cars, Goodyear for rubber, and numerous other examples, the industries they work in wouldn't be what they are and may not even exist without their crucial, long-lasting, and consistent contributions. I said years ago that Nokia could/would/should defend all of its patents, forgoing royalties and licenses, and they'd be one of few phone manufacturers in business, with only those others with prior arrangements still functioning alongside them. No apple, Huawei, Asus, Fujitsu, Del, oppo, Pantech, maybe even sony, Samsung, lg, htc, sharp, etc. We'd be left with Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson, and maybe a few others, at the very least. Yes it'd be somewhat wrong and anti-competitive, but when so much of the realm of wireless communication relies on Nokia concepts, creations, and productions, such that few can even comprehend it, it almost only seems fair. Unbalanced, but fair. Alternately, it could license the heck out of the patents and such, and make oodles of money on almost every cell phone sold worldwide, if that were able to happen, but making that occur would be expensive and drawn-out.

47. amiroo

Posts: 269; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

go to hell nokia... htc always best.

43. axbog

Posts: 21; Member since: Jun 03, 2013

LuLz...A company that almost went bust because it lacked innovation is suing the company that gave us the first Android phone (which led to the development of the proper smartphone of today). Something smells Microfishy.

45. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

proper smartphone? That was apple not droid, as well windows had win ce, albiet clunky it worked the way it was supposed to. Apple took what was a nerd business device and made it cool and easy. You should be thanking apple not droid for this.


Posts: 110; Member since: Jun 26, 2013

Yess Apple made them pretty. But they also started the patent trolling. A little History I have to stand with Nokia on this. IBM really started smart phone but it was Nokia (Communicator) who stabelized it & Microsoft solidified it in main stream w/ Windows CE & Mobile. My opinion Android is a polished version of Windows mobile. It is fine that all software companies go after each other to get paid on their tech & innovations. Either get a license or work out a deal. Its like getting qualquam chipsets w/o paying for them & putting them in your device. They have to pay in advance. Pay for it until you make it better then file your own patent. HTC has a problem pay up period.

50. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Patent trolling or not, they were upheld, so it is what it is. But for me android just isn't polished, I still use it, s3 and note series here. But I have more problems with them on a weekly or monthly basis than I do with my WP devices. Though I still like them a lot, especially the note's. HTC certainly does have a problem. Especially since Nokia has these licensed to other companies for use at this time. Meaning they already have a implied value and not one that Nokia pulled out of thin air. Also MS portfolio is huge, from making billions on droid sales, to making a profit everytime someone buys a blueray product (codecs hehe). I just hate when people such as axbog actually think HTC or any other company would not defend patents that make them money.

40. moolotovzz

Posts: 24; Member since: Mar 12, 2013

Germany is a rich country, those willing to buy HTC will ship it from other countries easilly and will boycott nokia for good.

22. Antonyjoseph

Posts: 217; Member since: Apr 06, 2013

Intellectual property should count for something. I dont think Nokia's main interest is getting HTC banned, but they want to be paid for their patents. Fair enough. Samsung already has a deal with Nokia for using its patents.

35. number29

Posts: 185; Member since: Jan 25, 2013

That's precisely it. I don't know why so many people want these companies to be able to steal and get away with it. Instead of hounding the company that sues them for stealing, why not hound the company that stole?

37. willard12 unregistered

Can you name a company producing a mobile hand set that hasn't stolen? I once heard that stealing is done by all great artists.

38. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013


51. Ric.B

Posts: 8; Member since: Jun 17, 2013

With regards to IP on software my stand is this - it's not stealing if company B developed a program that performs function X rather than pay company A for the use of function X program that company A built. It is stealing if company B developed the program based on the actual source code of function X from company A. However with software patents - the former is also considered stealing because the patent is on the function itself. This is why I reckon software patents is a hindrance to advancement of software development since it limits the development of a better function X to the company that patented the function. I can't imagine where we'll be if S/W patent litigation were the rage in the 70's, 80's, and 90's.

39. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013


21. amats69

Posts: 1527; Member since: Nov 12, 2012

Im no more a nokia fan.....sad to say but im not happy on what they are doing now..they are more like apple now than the nokia i love before...

28. RaKithAPeiRiZ

Posts: 1488; Member since: Dec 29, 2011

the real Nokia died with the N-Series , now its just a proxy for Micro-suck to declare war on the opensource platforms

42. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

you have no clue how patents work

16. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

Look at the Pandoras box that Apple has opened. Everyone should gang up and put an end to Nokia and Apple before they get too bitchy.

18. MartyK

Posts: 1043; Member since: Apr 11, 2012

They can't, because you have judge in the USA western appeal court ordering Motorola not to ban Microsoft product.

34. number29

Posts: 185; Member since: Jan 25, 2013

I think a better solution would be to put an end to all the copying and stealing that other companies take part in. Force them to innovate via a court order (this this ruling will force HTC to innovate).

11. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Your plan sounds like we'll both be happy... I like that.. Thanks❕

9. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Great❕ Glad for Nokia... Or Microkia.. Go ahead Nokia,, get everything all lined up so that the Lumia brand can be it's best under Microsoft's control... I can't wait to see the fabulous devices that Nokia, and Microsoft, develop together in 2014.. Nokia worked hard for it's intellectual property, and others need to respect that.. This is great news for Windows Phone, and Microkias Lumia brand... The perfect combination.. And, for those who disagree with what I just said... Sorry, this is the reality of the situation.. There's no need to argue with me because this is it.. Microsoft, and Nokia, want this, and we can't change it.. Windows Phone is Lumia, and Lumia is WP.. F##* what the haters, and naysayers think❕

10. xperiaDROID

Posts: 5629; Member since: Mar 08, 2013

Enjoy your Microd*cked Lumia, while we enjoy our Android phones and wait for old Nokia's comeback.

12. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

And, what makes you think I care if you get a Android phone made by Nokia❔.. All I care about is continued Lumia devices like the 1520 in my hand, being made available.. I'm hater so why would I give a rats a$$ about some Android device made by Nokia❔.. I could care less about Android.. If you get a Nokia device running Android then more power to you....

14. xperiaDROID

Posts: 5629; Member since: Mar 08, 2013

LMAO! Nokia doesn't need Android to make a comeback. Yes, Android is the biggest chance but they can try Jolla, Firefox, revive Symbian and merge with Android, or stay with Windows Phone and keep the Nokia branding. Don't get me wrong, I still like Nokia (that includes Nokia Lumia), but I don't like Microd*cked Lumia.

17. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

The smart thing to do is to wait until that first Lumia device comes out under MS control.. I have to admit that I'm a little worried that something might change to, but it's kinda stupid to dismiss something that hasn't even been fully developed yet.. How can someone say they don't like something they've never seen❔ Crazy.. Besides, it's not like this is the first time MS and Nokia have ever worked together on a device... Heck, the WP team spent half of their time in Finland co developing all of the Lumia phones that we have today.. True WP fans understand how close the connection between MS, and Nokia has already been, so we don't look at this as just some MS takeover.. Its much more than that.. We're all just going to have to wait to see what happens,, instead of making stupid comments about things we have no clue about.. ;-)

44. flynfree

Posts: 374; Member since: Jun 09, 2013

Nokia, it cannot comeback from where they are before. Just accept that your Nokia is behind the competition, just enjoy your Nokia,. You expressing that your so worshipping with your Nokia.

49. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Actually, my love goes like this.. 1. Windows Phone 2. Lumia 3. Microsoft 4. Nokia - 8million. You

53. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Thanks!... And I will continue to enjoy my Nokia Lumia 1520.. That's exactly what I want to do.. Trust me. Me, and all the other people who love Lumia devices, would still be enjoying or Lumia devices without you telling us too.. That's weird that you think that telling me to do something that I love to do would insult me, or make me feel bad... What are you❔

7. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

So Nokia/microsoft is going to kill off one of it's 2 or 3 partners? Wow! Samsung and Asus are sure to jump at the chance to fill the gap left by the HTC 8X.

13. rodneyej1

Posts: 3576; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Kinda weird situation, right❔

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